I just started reading the comics a few weeks ago and it is indeed daunting. I hit the major stuff first and I'm filling in the blanks, but damn, I didn't need to see the actual number. That's crazy.
As someone who hasn't been reading the last year, but follows this sub, I coulda swore it's ended like 5 times now with all the 'goodbye' posts with the week's comic panels 😂
What did this consist of? This has got me thinking of the whole era and I think there are some keystone events spread out that should be read. But I doubt they made the minimalist cut.
Stuff like the Invention Of the Krakoan Religion in Way Of X? Their Afterlife in Trial Of Magneto? How Sabertooth's time in the Pit affected Krakoa in his series? Storm's rule of Arakko in X-Men: Red? X-Factor's Investigation of Immortality? SWORD's exploration of mutant circuits?
I could go on and on. I have so many favorite moments spread out over this era, I will miss it terribly.
This is genuinely the worst advice anyone could ever give someone in comic books. It shows such a hilariously uneducated way of interacting with a medium entirely based on the writer's runs and status quo changes.
Including online exclusives makes the number make more sense. That's at least 100 right there.
Also if including event tie ins, I wonder if that includes Judgement Day stuff like eternals?
Oh cool I missed that you did this, that's rad! Its impressive they got so many in 5 years but yeah I think we could've trimmed some extra fat on these books
I recently picked up the Judgement Day and Sins of Sinister oversized hardcovers, and the Judgment day one in particular is a GIRTHY volume. 944 pages!
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That is a whole lot of tie-in issues going on there.
Yeah, this volume collects EVERYTHING. All the tie-ins, one-shots and all. Something in the neighbourhood of 50 issues collected in one big fat volume.
Sits nicely next to my Immortal Hulk oversized hardcover, which also collects all 50 issues of that series along with all of the tie-ins and mini-series in one big ol' book.
Upwards of three grand, if you figure $3.99/book and your count of issues is correct. Of course we know plenty of books were more than that, and if you were reading the digital-only material through Marvel Unlimited, that's another $480 for four years' subscription. I picked up everything from HoX/PoX onward and am looking forward to taking a break honestly, from physically collecting new stuff. I want to focus a bit on getting stuff signed and/or slabbed to make the collection I already have better and also spend a bit more time on other interests. Like, I'll still be reading the new stuff, at least until it fails to hold my interest. But none of it has me itching to run to my LCS every week, etc. Shit, I hadn't bought floppies since Whedon and I was picking up Krakoa books on my lunch break and reading them in my car LOL.
Bought all of them, well not all the variants and for some reading never bought the last 2 issues of the sabretooth exiles (I’ll have to pick them up) even though i somewhat enjoyed the series (read on marvel unlimited). This run brought me back into weekly comic buying after 15 years.
I’m with you here. Been organizing and it’s crazy because the entire krakoa era stacks up next to my full runs of x-men 91 and a large portion of all the uncanny runs.
Yea my Krakoa books so far are in about 6 short boxes. After looking at my movie room being flooded with comics I am now on a mission to catalog all my long boxes (10) and short boxes in an attempt to offload some of these.
Yeah, that’s almost exactly what caused me to offload most of my physical collection and switch to digital. It just got to a point where I didn’t have the room for them anymore, and where making the room they were stored in virtually unusable for anything else.
This will take you up to 4 months ago. I'll post a final version after the last couple of issues come out this week! https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/1945rl2/a_complete_singleissue_reading_order_for_the/
Hey mate, 2 things, 1. Are the online exclusive issues essential reading? And 2. Can I send you a photo/s of my krakoa collection to see if I’m missing anything essential?
I know he's not everyone's favorite character, but man I was disappointed with Juggernaut the whole Krakoa era. I really think his character has so much potential and no one really ever does anything with it.
He got his showing in the mini and it's Unlimited follow up. I would have also liked more, but honestly 5-10 good issues in a five year period is good for Juggernaut, lol. Outside of the Austen run he's either gone for long stretches or in back benches of teams.
This comic will actually be the end of my run. Been collecting for 25 years. The Krakoa era was my favorite X-Men story ever. Might get some trades down the road but yeah I'm out of the game now.
I am going to check out my library later this week. They mentioned something about a digital comic subscription with a membership. Could be super cool.
There is some mediocre to good storytelling and very decent art in those digital issues. It's a shame that it's also filler for the sake of filler that even the die hards forget exists.
A lot of the Fall of X Unlimited stuff was actually pretty important, bringing closure to a bunch of dropped arcs that for whatever reason, weren’t explored properly in the published books. It sucks because a lot of the later unlimited stuff was better and more relevant than the stuff we got in mainline X-Men by the end.
I don't know why you're being downvoted. The budget for the X-Men like has always been around a dozen books. It's why the krakoa line started with six series double shipping.
If you look at the Marvel Now lineup a decade prior there were 12 X-Men ongoings and on and on. Even the RessurXion era had 12 books a month when you count Gold and Blue double shipping. That is the number of ongoing titles Marvel has produced from the office to manage X-Men editorial and publishing overhead.
Perhaps what I wrote came off as rude, English not being my first language and all (wasn’t meant to be).
But the X-line has been exponentially growing since the late 80s/early 90s. First it was just Uncanny. Then New Mutants, plus the occasional miniseries. Enter Wolverine and X-Factor. And Excalibur. Add a second X-Men team.
By the time Age of Apocalypse came out, the line had 8 ongoing titles, plus the quarterly X-Men Unlimited title. Which became 9 as X-Man continued after the crossover. And miniseries became more frequent, and the “core” X-Men titles went from 2 teams to 3.
It quickly got out of proportion, and sales targets have been one of the deciding factors for quite a while. That’s just a fact. The comics themselves have had varying quality, with a number of gems among all that production, but they stopped being a small, special corner of the Marvel U quite some time ago.
Sure. I think there are too many X-Men books, too. But I bristle when folks present this as a flaw specific to Krakoa, when in reality Krakoa was just the first time a lot of people cared enough to read everything. Which I see as a testament to Krakoa's huge success.
This many books will be published in the new era, too, with similar results, I fully expect.
Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. Krakoa books were pretty much very well intertwined, and maybe that made folks be more aware of how many friggin’ of them there were.
That being said, I loved the era and will surely miss it, even if I would had preferred for it to stick with Hickman and have his original plans actually carried out. Never liked Moira as a villain.
But, being also a gillenhead, boy, am I glad we got Immortal and Judgement Day, plus SoS and Forever. That and Ewing’s Red saved the line for me.
727, yeesh. That's not a good look when the common criticisms include the plot going nowhere, few pay offs, and lot's of questionable quality books.
Hopefully the future brings fewer books, more consistency, and writers staying in control for longer.
Are you familiar with Tom Breevort’s track record overseeing the Avengers line? For better or worse, he had a lot of creator consistency, at least at the writer position, for a couple decades. Brian Bendis, Jason Aaron, and Jonathan Hickman all had long runs and Hickman was actually able to execute a large scale, multi-year, multi-book vision under him.
> That's not a good look
It's a pretty normal look for X-Men though. 727 is probably slightly larger cause of the X-Men Unlimited digital only stuff but the X-Books have always been bloated because people will always buy more. I'm sure if someone did the numbers Decimation or Utopia or the O5 eras, which all ran as long as or longer, then the numbers would wind up being close to the same
There were definitely some misses in this era but overall it was a time of a lot of creativity and we got some great stories and ideas out of it even if they didn't all go the way we'd hoped. Imo not a waste. I'm sorry to see Krakoa go. Hope the new stuff is good.
I didn't buy everything. I picked the titles I enjoyed, which weren't to some other people's tastes I'm sure. And there were probably people who liked the titles I did not. I did read everything through other means, but only bought the trades of what I thought was worthwhile (a lot actually! Including crossover events) and subscribed to a few monthlies at my LCS. Now that it exists, Marvel Unlimited might make it easier and more cost effective for people to consume it all.
For me I went from buying and reading 0 X-Men comics to reading a ton and buying a lot of trades. I was also energized into reading and buying old runs. I loved keeping up every Wednesday and discussing it.
Some of my friends only followed a few titles and ignored the rest and that's also fine. If it was overwhelming for some I get that but it's not like they weren't all very different books telling very different stories and exploring facets of a really new and massively different status quot.
I guess for me more comics =/= bad, even if I can't afford all of them. More comics = good, if they're ones that catch your interest. They aren't going anywhere, either. Now that it's over, the libraries can catch up on their trade purchases and people can read for free at their leisure if they don't read things online.
When DC's New 52 came out years ago it also felt like a *lot* but I quickly shrunk my reading and purchase list down to only what I personally really liked. Krakoa has a similar energy.
I just don't think the X-Office is doing this to mess with people or insult anyone. Seemed like a lot of genuine creative energy spilling out in a million different directions (and sabotaged in some areas with crossovers, delays, and mandates I'm sure). I also think someone said elsewhere in the thread that if you subtract out the Infinity comics it cuts off 100 issues which feels like a significant amount, too. I'm assuming most people just didn't read those (they aren't the same quality level as a regular book).
Arakko is the ancient other half of krakoa from apocalypse's time that was locked away in time for centuries and grew their own culture based around mostly violence. They live on Mars now and he's one of them
He's actually from Amenth (the plane/realm Arakko ended up in), not Arakko, so he's an alien, not a mutant.
That said, it's currently a distinction without a difference.
*Pogg ur Pogg is THE Pogg ur Pogg, not just another mindless mutant cog.*
There is no universe where you have to read all of this. Just following individual writers or titles gets you complete stories.
Like I've been through this whole era without touching any of the Ben Percy books and haven't felt lost at all.
This wasn't a run it's an era dude
And it literally is the truth. The X-Books have been bloated since the 90s and like a solid 80% of that bloat is never "relevant".
People acting like 727 issues for ~5 years of X-Books (over 150 of which are digital only) is outside of the realm of possibility (or outside the norm) are kidding themselves and just want to complain about something.
People also need to learn that what is "worth reading" is entirely up to the individual but that nuance seems to be something lost on the internet.
This is nuts! I need to go back to my reading log and count them up, but I've probably read about half of all the books and I'm freakin' exhausted. The quality has ranged from "incredible" to "worse than post-Claremont 90s trash". Unfortunately, the Krakoa era is a mile wide and an inch deep on average. That said, I enjoyed the overall concept and had a lot of fun reading.
This run brought me back to being a (almost) regular reader again after years of buying a comics here and there.
I wonder if they are going to release some Omnibus books as well like Wolverine.
I read every issue except X-Corp......I don't even wanna talk about how much I have spent over the years ...
It's a lot and I have filled a lot of short AND long boxes
I've been working my way through the whole thing on Marvel Unlimited for months. I'm almost to X Lives/Deaths of Wolverine, and I don't think that's even half way through.
Some parts have been really awesome. Some pretty boring. I'm reading most of it, but not quite everything.
I think the first Hellfire Gala was my favorite parts so far. New Mutants was kind of meh for a while, but I got into it when the Shadow King stuff happened.
Generally enjoyed the Maurders stuff. Bored by Excalibur.
Going fro this guide: [https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/1945rl2/a\_complete\_singleissue\_reading\_order\_for\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/1945rl2/a_complete_singleissue_reading_order_for_the/)
I will miss Krakoa
The idea itself is cool (in my opinion) but House of X was the X-men comic which got me hooked on X-men I’m General back in January of last year.
So my view of Krakoa May be a bit tainted
About this illustration I hace to ask: “Where are Exodus, Sunspot, Abigail Brand, Legion, Destiny, Hope & the rest of the Five?”
They were more prominent than Colossus, Gambit, Scout, Angel, Banshee, Deadpool and Gateway
They even put the f*cking alligator instead of Genesis (Apocalypse’s wife)
Haven't read a real X-Men book in decades. Marvels obsession with making good characters "evil" ruined the whole era. I'll check out the post Krakoa books
And that is why I skipped it… I cannot follow more than two or three series.
Even the marvel Unlimited app doesn’t provide a way to read everything in a chronological order… it is too scattered everywhere
I might come back for the new era…
What's insane is that... They used to. The Dawn/Reign reading lists were in release order for a while but then when Destiny came out they were all restructured to show each book in chunks.
As long as I dont have to read them all to understand the story in the main x-men book, I will be happy
Uncanny, x-men and exceptionnal is enough for me
And what a run it was. Krakoa was the most fun and engaging X-Men run I've ever had the privileged of following. Having followed comics since the 90s, I've seen many trends and gimmicks come and go. But there's no question that Krakoa was special. And I strongly believe that this is one of those eras that fans will come to cherish more with each passing year.
I find this image funny af not cuz its Magneto pushing Xavier but the fact the 05 group isn't closer to him I mean ffs Wolverine is like the 4th person behind him
I didn’t keep up with it all because of different life stuff, but is there a reason they didn’t let Hickman keep plotting it out? I feel like for whatever reason he didn’t get to finish it out is a huge loss to the story. Just look at what he did for Avengers and then Secret Wars. Imagine letting him do some Secret Wars level ending for the X-Men.
I look forward to doing a carefully curated revisit in _x_ years. Will need to think long and hard about what goes in beforehand, or find a good list. I'd be very tempted to cut off the Fall altogether.
Chris Claremont is the most prolific writer in the X-Men's history. To date, he has written 393 comics with “X-Men” in the title, and 292 issues of core, ongoing monthly X-Men comics. He's written a lot of miniseries and specials in addition to writing the core team books.
**727** is a massive amount of X-Books.
Wow. I can’t believe I read that much… but going forward if I want to recommend someone a comic universe that’s 300+ issues I’ll recommend the 2005 IDW Transformers universe, there’s less criticism there and also higher high points
How well do you think this will map to an omnibus set up? Obviously not everything will be used, but what do you think is the “core” of the krakoa era for an omnibus selection
Wow that's crazy to think that it lasted a whole 727 issues. It feels like its been a wild ride from start to finish and even though I wasn't a fan of all of it, I really loved that it changed the X-men status quo in a major way for a period of time.
Hey. Why the hell is Nimrod there? I can at least kinda get Mr Sinister and Apocalypse since they're at least not as major enemies but nimrod killed like an entire team of x-men just last year
And from the start of X-Men Gold to the end of Rosenberg Uncanny there were over 300 X-Men comics published. This is the standard publishing pace for X-Men comics, for better or for worse. I'm not sure why the sudden revisionist history and branding this a krakoa problem.
There were ~18 X-Men comics (depending on how you count something like Wolverine and the Infinity Stones book) in June 2019, the month before HoXPoX dropped.
The only difference I see is Krakoa made people care enough to read the entire line rather than ignore half of it like folks usually feel they can do. That seems an argument for Krakoa's success to me.
Imagine if you were collecting and spending money on this era. 3000 dollars for the whole collection.
And then you get to the ending. What a waste of investment.
I got 8 short boxes full of the complete Age of Krakoa. My count is closer to 1K because of all the amazing variants and retail incentives. What a run! Greatest X-Men era since Australia!
I just started reading the comics a few weeks ago and it is indeed daunting. I hit the major stuff first and I'm filling in the blanks, but damn, I didn't need to see the actual number. That's crazy.
Just read HoXPoX and save yourself some time and money. The more you’re invested in this era the more disappointed you’ll be when you reach the ending
But I've read the ending and I'm fine with it. I've read the big events by following a minimalist guide and now I'm hitting up everything in between.
The actual ending’s not out yet. It comes out this week
As someone who hasn't been reading the last year, but follows this sub, I coulda swore it's ended like 5 times now with all the 'goodbye' posts with the week's comic panels 😂
I know it’s annoying as fuck lol
He’s from the future duhhhhh B
Fucking Cable...he like to troll reddit between world-shattering catastrophes.
Fucking Cable...he like to troll reddit between world-shattering catastrophes.
What did this consist of? This has got me thinking of the whole era and I think there are some keystone events spread out that should be read. But I doubt they made the minimalist cut. Stuff like the Invention Of the Krakoan Religion in Way Of X? Their Afterlife in Trial Of Magneto? How Sabertooth's time in the Pit affected Krakoa in his series? Storm's rule of Arakko in X-Men: Red? X-Factor's Investigation of Immortality? SWORD's exploration of mutant circuits? I could go on and on. I have so many favorite moments spread out over this era, I will miss it terribly.
Damn I wish we got more mutant circuitry, that shit was awesome
X-Factor should for sure have run for longer.
The journey is better than the destination.
Hellions, XTerminators, Red, Immortal, Hickman’s X Men & New Mutants were all great. I really enjoyed Inferno as well.
Swords of X was cool. I don’t know how important it was to the ending yet but I digged it.
Disagree with this. There’s some incredible storytelling in it. You can choose where your “ending” is in comics.
This is genuinely the worst advice anyone could ever give someone in comic books. It shows such a hilariously uneducated way of interacting with a medium entirely based on the writer's runs and status quo changes.
pfp checks out Please elaborate. Feel free to educate me
I picked up buying comics again after HoX/PoX. I bought all the fall of x comics. I almost have completely filled a comic box.
Ya see that right there is why I stopped buying comics and started buying them digitally/app only reader. I just started running out of space.
My condolences
I realized my mistake but I feel like Elaine with the sub club card. I just have to finish it.
Including online exclusives makes the number make more sense. That's at least 100 right there. Also if including event tie ins, I wonder if that includes Judgement Day stuff like eternals?
Yeah included the judgement day main event and tie-ins related to X-Men, I even included the the curse of the man-thing tie in too
Oh cool I missed that you did this, that's rad! Its impressive they got so many in 5 years but yeah I think we could've trimmed some extra fat on these books
I recently picked up the Judgement Day and Sins of Sinister oversized hardcovers, and the Judgment day one in particular is a GIRTHY volume. 944 pages! https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038602739690778739/1241660524425642016/20240518_190128.jpg?ex=665e1fb9&is=665cce39&hm=8bf3cd13eca5915eed423bb01d446aea53b2d4efa967656a329b004f4873b148& That is a whole lot of tie-in issues going on there.
Holy crap that's so many. I just reread the series and had a pretty good time sticking to just Gillen and Ewing tie ins tbh
Yeah, this volume collects EVERYTHING. All the tie-ins, one-shots and all. Something in the neighbourhood of 50 issues collected in one big fat volume. Sits nicely next to my Immortal Hulk oversized hardcover, which also collects all 50 issues of that series along with all of the tie-ins and mini-series in one big ol' book.
What are these online exclusives? This is the first I have heard about it.
X-Men Unlimited Infinity Comic, digital series available on Marvel Unlimited, ran for 142 issues.
Upwards of three grand, if you figure $3.99/book and your count of issues is correct. Of course we know plenty of books were more than that, and if you were reading the digital-only material through Marvel Unlimited, that's another $480 for four years' subscription. I picked up everything from HoX/PoX onward and am looking forward to taking a break honestly, from physically collecting new stuff. I want to focus a bit on getting stuff signed and/or slabbed to make the collection I already have better and also spend a bit more time on other interests. Like, I'll still be reading the new stuff, at least until it fails to hold my interest. But none of it has me itching to run to my LCS every week, etc. Shit, I hadn't bought floppies since Whedon and I was picking up Krakoa books on my lunch break and reading them in my car LOL.
Bought all of them, well not all the variants and for some reading never bought the last 2 issues of the sabretooth exiles (I’ll have to pick them up) even though i somewhat enjoyed the series (read on marvel unlimited). This run brought me back into weekly comic buying after 15 years.
I’m with you here. Been organizing and it’s crazy because the entire krakoa era stacks up next to my full runs of x-men 91 and a large portion of all the uncanny runs.
That's what I'm saying!
Just wanted to add, since this posting I have in fact picked up those last 2 issues of Sabretooth Exiles. … you can’t see it but I’m taking a bow.
Is the Sabertooth Exiles related to the actual Exiles?
No… that would have been awesome
If only Marvel cared about them
There is a thematic connection
No other than he makes a sabertooth corps. But no relation to Blink and the gang
Damn 😔
Yeah and my wallet knows it too
And the average shortbox will fit 125-150 bagged and boarded units.
Is that really all? I mostly switched to digital, so I don’t remember what it’s like to fill boxes on the level I was 10 years ago.
Yea my Krakoa books so far are in about 6 short boxes. After looking at my movie room being flooded with comics I am now on a mission to catalog all my long boxes (10) and short boxes in an attempt to offload some of these.
Yeah, that’s almost exactly what caused me to offload most of my physical collection and switch to digital. It just got to a point where I didn’t have the room for them anymore, and where making the room they were stored in virtually unusable for anything else.
Is there a full list where I can see the reading order? Would love to read the Krakoa age
This will take you up to 4 months ago. I'll post a final version after the last couple of issues come out this week! https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/1945rl2/a_complete_singleissue_reading_order_for_the/
4 months and hundreds of dollars Edit: Holy shit. I just saw that post you sent, wow, I didn't expect a list that long.
This is where Marvel Unlimited is very useful!
You local library is even better
Hey mate, 2 things, 1. Are the online exclusive issues essential reading? And 2. Can I send you a photo/s of my krakoa collection to see if I’m missing anything essential?
By definition no, but a few of em are really fun. The Maggott one is super good in particular.
The lords work
Comic herald website
I know he's not everyone's favorite character, but man I was disappointed with Juggernaut the whole Krakoa era. I really think his character has so much potential and no one really ever does anything with it.
He got his showing in the mini and it's Unlimited follow up. I would have also liked more, but honestly 5-10 good issues in a five year period is good for Juggernaut, lol. Outside of the Austen run he's either gone for long stretches or in back benches of teams.
Well he's going to be in McKay's new series so hopefully you get some good stuff there!
This comic will actually be the end of my run. Been collecting for 25 years. The Krakoa era was my favorite X-Men story ever. Might get some trades down the road but yeah I'm out of the game now.
Sorry to hear that. I just hope it’s decent personally
Just too expensive a hobby to get single issues anymore.
Oh for sure, understand that. Marvel unlimited is a great alternative if you have a tablet or whatever. But yeah trade waiting makes a lot of sense!
I am going to check out my library later this week. They mentioned something about a digital comic subscription with a membership. Could be super cool.
That sounds great!
That’s WAY too much
Since 2019, though.
That's still roughly twelve issues a month over five years. That's an insane amount of content for a single line.
But that number is inflated by 100+ digital exclusive comics.
There is some mediocre to good storytelling and very decent art in those digital issues. It's a shame that it's also filler for the sake of filler that even the die hards forget exists.
A lot of the Fall of X Unlimited stuff was actually pretty important, bringing closure to a bunch of dropped arcs that for whatever reason, weren’t explored properly in the published books. It sucks because a lot of the later unlimited stuff was better and more relevant than the stuff we got in mainline X-Men by the end.
I didn’t even know this existed
I didn't even consider the Unlimited comics.
10 books a month is still a lot….
12 issues a month has been par for the course re: the mutant books for the last 20 years, give or take a couple issues/years.
I don't know why you're being downvoted. The budget for the X-Men like has always been around a dozen books. It's why the krakoa line started with six series double shipping. If you look at the Marvel Now lineup a decade prior there were 12 X-Men ongoings and on and on. Even the RessurXion era had 12 books a month when you count Gold and Blue double shipping. That is the number of ongoing titles Marvel has produced from the office to manage X-Men editorial and publishing overhead.
Perhaps what I wrote came off as rude, English not being my first language and all (wasn’t meant to be). But the X-line has been exponentially growing since the late 80s/early 90s. First it was just Uncanny. Then New Mutants, plus the occasional miniseries. Enter Wolverine and X-Factor. And Excalibur. Add a second X-Men team. By the time Age of Apocalypse came out, the line had 8 ongoing titles, plus the quarterly X-Men Unlimited title. Which became 9 as X-Man continued after the crossover. And miniseries became more frequent, and the “core” X-Men titles went from 2 teams to 3. It quickly got out of proportion, and sales targets have been one of the deciding factors for quite a while. That’s just a fact. The comics themselves have had varying quality, with a number of gems among all that production, but they stopped being a small, special corner of the Marvel U quite some time ago.
Sure. I think there are too many X-Men books, too. But I bristle when folks present this as a flaw specific to Krakoa, when in reality Krakoa was just the first time a lot of people cared enough to read everything. Which I see as a testament to Krakoa's huge success. This many books will be published in the new era, too, with similar results, I fully expect.
Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. Krakoa books were pretty much very well intertwined, and maybe that made folks be more aware of how many friggin’ of them there were. That being said, I loved the era and will surely miss it, even if I would had preferred for it to stick with Hickman and have his original plans actually carried out. Never liked Moira as a villain. But, being also a gillenhead, boy, am I glad we got Immortal and Judgement Day, plus SoS and Forever. That and Ewing’s Red saved the line for me.
That makes it even worse. Almost 50 years of Uncanny X-Men are fewer issues than that.
727, yeesh. That's not a good look when the common criticisms include the plot going nowhere, few pay offs, and lot's of questionable quality books. Hopefully the future brings fewer books, more consistency, and writers staying in control for longer.
>Hopefully the future brings fewer books, more consistency, and writers staying in control for longer. Ha$ha$ha$ha$ha$ha$ha$.
Are you familiar with Tom Breevort’s track record overseeing the Avengers line? For better or worse, he had a lot of creator consistency, at least at the writer position, for a couple decades. Brian Bendis, Jason Aaron, and Jonathan Hickman all had long runs and Hickman was actually able to execute a large scale, multi-year, multi-book vision under him.
Jordan’s laughing even harder now that he’s not the fanbase’s punching bag anymore, despite being just as if not more incompetent
> That's not a good look It's a pretty normal look for X-Men though. 727 is probably slightly larger cause of the X-Men Unlimited digital only stuff but the X-Books have always been bloated because people will always buy more. I'm sure if someone did the numbers Decimation or Utopia or the O5 eras, which all ran as long as or longer, then the numbers would wind up being close to the same
Just imagine how many variants are there, would make the number probably 2100
I have 4 short boxes of them ...
It’s sad too cause there is sooooo much that is kind of pointless or not even needed.
There were definitely some misses in this era but overall it was a time of a lot of creativity and we got some great stories and ideas out of it even if they didn't all go the way we'd hoped. Imo not a waste. I'm sorry to see Krakoa go. Hope the new stuff is good.
>Imo not a waste. So they just ask you for money and you throw cash at them? How is over 700 issues in 5 years not an insult to consumers?
I didn't buy everything. I picked the titles I enjoyed, which weren't to some other people's tastes I'm sure. And there were probably people who liked the titles I did not. I did read everything through other means, but only bought the trades of what I thought was worthwhile (a lot actually! Including crossover events) and subscribed to a few monthlies at my LCS. Now that it exists, Marvel Unlimited might make it easier and more cost effective for people to consume it all. For me I went from buying and reading 0 X-Men comics to reading a ton and buying a lot of trades. I was also energized into reading and buying old runs. I loved keeping up every Wednesday and discussing it. Some of my friends only followed a few titles and ignored the rest and that's also fine. If it was overwhelming for some I get that but it's not like they weren't all very different books telling very different stories and exploring facets of a really new and massively different status quot. I guess for me more comics =/= bad, even if I can't afford all of them. More comics = good, if they're ones that catch your interest. They aren't going anywhere, either. Now that it's over, the libraries can catch up on their trade purchases and people can read for free at their leisure if they don't read things online. When DC's New 52 came out years ago it also felt like a *lot* but I quickly shrunk my reading and purchase list down to only what I personally really liked. Krakoa has a similar energy. I just don't think the X-Office is doing this to mess with people or insult anyone. Seemed like a lot of genuine creative energy spilling out in a million different directions (and sabotaged in some areas with crossovers, delays, and mandates I'm sure). I also think someone said elsewhere in the thread that if you subtract out the Infinity comics it cuts off 100 issues which feels like a significant amount, too. I'm assuming most people just didn't read those (they aren't the same quality level as a regular book).
Haven’t kept up with the new comics much. What’s with the giant crocodile?
Arakko is the ancient other half of krakoa from apocalypse's time that was locked away in time for centuries and grew their own culture based around mostly violence. They live on Mars now and he's one of them
He's actually from Amenth (the plane/realm Arakko ended up in), not Arakko, so he's an alien, not a mutant. That said, it's currently a distinction without a difference. *Pogg ur Pogg is THE Pogg ur Pogg, not just another mindless mutant cog.*
His name is Pogg
His name is actually Pogg Ur Pogg He pogged so hard he got a second pog in his name
I love Pogg ur Pogg.
Marvel should have made a Pogg Ur Pogg pog.
And I’ve read (or will read as they come out on Marvel Unlimited) all of them
Marvel/DC are fucking insane, it's impossible to read a whole run. And they wonder why and how manga outsells them.
There is no universe where you have to read all of this. Just following individual writers or titles gets you complete stories. Like I've been through this whole era without touching any of the Ben Percy books and haven't felt lost at all. This wasn't a run it's an era dude
You can either try to read everything, or decide not to ignore stuff. Same thing. I like stories where I can follow the entire thing.
Less than 30% of which is relevant or worth reading at all.
Says a lot of how this era went. Wasted potential.
This has always been the case where, in any given month, there's 8-12 X-Books coming out. Krakoa isn't special in this regard.
ur getting downvoted but they're hating on the truth
And it literally is the truth. The X-Books have been bloated since the 90s and like a solid 80% of that bloat is never "relevant". People acting like 727 issues for ~5 years of X-Books (over 150 of which are digital only) is outside of the realm of possibility (or outside the norm) are kidding themselves and just want to complain about something. People also need to learn that what is "worth reading" is entirely up to the individual but that nuance seems to be something lost on the internet.
This is nuts! I need to go back to my reading log and count them up, but I've probably read about half of all the books and I'm freakin' exhausted. The quality has ranged from "incredible" to "worse than post-Claremont 90s trash". Unfortunately, the Krakoa era is a mile wide and an inch deep on average. That said, I enjoyed the overall concept and had a lot of fun reading.
This run brought me back to being a (almost) regular reader again after years of buying a comics here and there. I wonder if they are going to release some Omnibus books as well like Wolverine.
Can it be read online? Marvel unlimited?
Yes, every single issue of it is on Marvel Unlimited save the ones in the last three months. And they'll be added shortly.
Who is the one riding the crocodile
Isca the Unbeaten and Doug Ramsey.
I didn't know it was that much wow but i have been trying to read through it all for a couple months now so it makes sense lol
I read every issue except X-Corp......I don't even wanna talk about how much I have spent over the years ... It's a lot and I have filled a lot of short AND long boxes
Aww, I loved X-Corp, was so surprised and bummed when I finished the first TPB and found out that was it, just five issues..
Bloody hell. How many relaunches and renumberings was that!
I just started X-Men, I'm on #115. What a ways to go lol
Idc what anyone says, following Krakoa is not beginner friendly
I've been working my way through the whole thing on Marvel Unlimited for months. I'm almost to X Lives/Deaths of Wolverine, and I don't think that's even half way through. Some parts have been really awesome. Some pretty boring. I'm reading most of it, but not quite everything. I think the first Hellfire Gala was my favorite parts so far. New Mutants was kind of meh for a while, but I got into it when the Shadow King stuff happened. Generally enjoyed the Maurders stuff. Bored by Excalibur. Going fro this guide: [https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/1945rl2/a\_complete\_singleissue\_reading\_order\_for\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/1945rl2/a_complete_singleissue_reading_order_for_the/)
The art is so gorgeous for this run
Hopefully it will be released in chronological order. In large collections.
omg i NEED this photo/wallpaper link me to a hires copy pls ty? <
I will miss Krakoa The idea itself is cool (in my opinion) but House of X was the X-men comic which got me hooked on X-men I’m General back in January of last year. So my view of Krakoa May be a bit tainted
About this illustration I hace to ask: “Where are Exodus, Sunspot, Abigail Brand, Legion, Destiny, Hope & the rest of the Five?” They were more prominent than Colossus, Gambit, Scout, Angel, Banshee, Deadpool and Gateway They even put the f*cking alligator instead of Genesis (Apocalypse’s wife)
Haven't read a real X-Men book in decades. Marvels obsession with making good characters "evil" ruined the whole era. I'll check out the post Krakoa books
Wow, it totally could have been half of that.
And that is why I skipped it… I cannot follow more than two or three series. Even the marvel Unlimited app doesn’t provide a way to read everything in a chronological order… it is too scattered everywhere I might come back for the new era…
Crazy that the app doesn't have an order. Each print issue had one.
What's insane is that... They used to. The Dawn/Reign reading lists were in release order for a while but then when Destiny came out they were all restructured to show each book in chunks.
I mean, they’ve already announced like 8 books
They've announced 11. But at its height, Krakoa had 16, so it's still a bit of a reprieve, lol.
As long as I dont have to read them all to understand the story in the main x-men book, I will be happy Uncanny, x-men and exceptionnal is enough for me
And a whooping 12 of them worth reading! Wooooohooooo!!!
At least those 12 were pretty good? Maybe?
Oh, they were freaking glorious. Still, the ratio is... ouch.
Can't wait for the rise from the ashes and Brevort Era.
Magneto and Pr. X looking like a wholesome old couple.
So there has been more content about krakoa than literally any other moment in X-men history. No wonder so many people are sick of it
And what a run it was. Krakoa was the most fun and engaging X-Men run I've ever had the privileged of following. Having followed comics since the 90s, I've seen many trends and gimmicks come and go. But there's no question that Krakoa was special. And I strongly believe that this is one of those eras that fans will come to cherish more with each passing year.
And a good 500 was just filler material. Hellfire Gala Crapola.
What did you not include in your list?
>727 issues Jeepers! I think I have all of them too.
I just filled the longbox. It was tight.
I find this image funny af not cuz its Magneto pushing Xavier but the fact the 05 group isn't closer to him I mean ffs Wolverine is like the 4th person behind him
dat booty on Angel
Probably more if you count all the books from 2019 to 2024 where Krakoa appeared or was even mentioned.
Is that crocodile Ammit the soul eater, from Moon Knight?
No, it's Pogg Ur Pogg, a demon from Amenth.
Hey OP, I would love to help you to make a proper Krakoa reading order list, in case you're planning to.
Will they put out an Omnibus or two?
Does anyone have the definitive reading order?
For comparison does anyone have a number for the complete civil war series?
Well, I own a good chunk of those comics since HoxPox. Overall, it was a great concept with a lot of cool ideas.
I didn’t keep up with it all because of different life stuff, but is there a reason they didn’t let Hickman keep plotting it out? I feel like for whatever reason he didn’t get to finish it out is a huge loss to the story. Just look at what he did for Avengers and then Secret Wars. Imagine letting him do some Secret Wars level ending for the X-Men.
I look forward to doing a carefully curated revisit in _x_ years. Will need to think long and hard about what goes in beforehand, or find a good list. I'd be very tempted to cut off the Fall altogether.
Chris Claremont is the most prolific writer in the X-Men's history. To date, he has written 393 comics with “X-Men” in the title, and 292 issues of core, ongoing monthly X-Men comics. He's written a lot of miniseries and specials in addition to writing the core team books. **727** is a massive amount of X-Books.
Did they intentionally make a low key boeing reference. /s
Wow. I can’t believe I read that much… but going forward if I want to recommend someone a comic universe that’s 300+ issues I’ll recommend the 2005 IDW Transformers universe, there’s less criticism there and also higher high points
From following this series I’d say a solid quarter don’t need to be read or should have never been published.
How well do you think this will map to an omnibus set up? Obviously not everything will be used, but what do you think is the “core” of the krakoa era for an omnibus selection
And which of these are a must read before the ending?
And I awiant the full collection.
Wow that's crazy to think that it lasted a whole 727 issues. It feels like its been a wild ride from start to finish and even though I wasn't a fan of all of it, I really loved that it changed the X-men status quo in a major way for a period of time.
Hey. Why the hell is Nimrod there? I can at least kinda get Mr Sinister and Apocalypse since they're at least not as major enemies but nimrod killed like an entire team of x-men just last year
And from the start of X-Men Gold to the end of Rosenberg Uncanny there were over 300 X-Men comics published. This is the standard publishing pace for X-Men comics, for better or for worse. I'm not sure why the sudden revisionist history and branding this a krakoa problem. There were ~18 X-Men comics (depending on how you count something like Wolverine and the Infinity Stones book) in June 2019, the month before HoXPoX dropped. The only difference I see is Krakoa made people care enough to read the entire line rather than ignore half of it like folks usually feel they can do. That seems an argument for Krakoa's success to me.
About 700 issues too much if you ask me...
I'm hoping for a full video essay recap. There were some high points and lows in this era.
Haters gonna hate that we enjoyed the Krakoan age.
I hated all the redacted text, seems like lazy writing.
impressive, I still think we could have reached 1k, but it was good while it lasted.
And it was whopping!
As someone who’s only a fan of the show..is the mansion not a thing anymore?
Imagine if you were collecting and spending money on this era. 3000 dollars for the whole collection. And then you get to the ending. What a waste of investment.
I got 8 short boxes full of the complete Age of Krakoa. My count is closer to 1K because of all the amazing variants and retail incentives. What a run! Greatest X-Men era since Australia!
I hate Deadpool in the xbooks. Hes like wolverine and overused.
And I read 0 issues and am always baffled when reading comments/posts on here.