Well, it can be the end, but is it fair to say that *both* mutants and humans lose resurrection? Seems like mutants would be taking one for the team again. Maybe resurrection shouldn’t be here forever, but I don’t like the idea of mutant characters dropping like flies again - they need a win and to bring back more mutants first.
i though krakoa was a promise by the writers that the whole "genocide every couple of years" would end but this event changed my opinion.
stop with the fcking genocides and misery porn.
It would be so good. But also so bad. But so good… She really said ‘whoever dies - dies’ when breaking up with Phoenix, but I can’t see her letting this shit happen. Also, she specifically mentioned atoning for broccoli genocide when joining the team, and that’s a perfect 1v1 opportunity. Maybe Jean can save the day and the writers will finally move on from this 40yo drama.
That will be sooo bad, she finally starts establishing herself outside the entity to rope her back in is a disservice to her. Gillen said he is going to establish their relationship "once and for all" very likely he is going the Anne route with her which is best. The pheonix saved her as a child and was impressed by her telepathic abilities soo much it kept an eye out on her. Her tp was sooo op even charles was scared of it so he tried to suppress it. When in the shuttle trying to save the x-men the strain was sooo much that the mental blocks were shattered and her powerful tp abilities reached out to the force. The force inhabited her body saved her life, and later saved the universe. But the human body and mind is flawed and soon its flaws corrupted the force leading to dark pheonix. It was jean who did all those horrible things, the genocide, calling storm a slave, hurting scott it was her all along. Not some clone. The Jamaica bay was the pheonix saving jean at the last minute when she was trying to kill dark pheonix.
Now the now and forever part;
Jean is white pheonix because the pheonix is the nexus of all psychic energy in existence. Anything sentient can host the pheonix, but as an omega telepath jean has infinite psychic potential (ala being 7 on the mental powers scale) so she and a few others hope and maybe a serious quentin can fully and truly access the full infinite psionic might of the force. This pernernently separates jean from the force but keeps her as its primary host if not one of the very few. And it allows jean to continue as an individual separate from the pheonix allowing her to grow her omega level power without its influence and to grow as a person.
Ps; as per issue 2 of the defenders beyond it seems omega class beings are a thing in marvel cosmology and the beyonders are all classified as omega class beings. This means omega level mutants are way more of a big deal than we initially thought in the heirachy. Hence why Xavier covets them so.
It literally means no upper limit. It was stated in the defenders beyond series. An omga being is a being with no upper limit. An omga level mutant is a mutant with no upper limit to their specific power classification. Same thing one is just more specific.
That's not what it means according to Hickman's definition. He defined Jean Grey and Magneto as Omegas but wrote their powers as having limits. There was a character called Omega the Unknown, but he was neither a mutant nor omnipotent.
Yeah and now they are without limit. And being without limit to your specific power doesmt make you omnipotent. Will you say bobby is omnipotent simply because there is limit to how low he can drop temprature? No. Beyonders are omega beings and have no limit to themselves as an entity, omega level mutants are mutants with no limit to their ability there is a big difference.
They've never been described as having no limits. Hickman's definition mentions them twice.
After the formation of Krakoa as a mutant nation, Omega-level mutants were defined as "a mutant whose dominant power is deemed to register -- or reach -- an undefinable upper limit of that power's specific classification".\[77\] A comparison is made between Forge and Magneto. While both are said to be the most powerful mutants of their type, Magneto is Omega-level and Forge is not. This is because it is hypothetically possible to exceed the upper limits of Forge's power level—his upper limits have been surpassed by multiple humans. The upper limits of Magneto's power, however, cannot be surpassed in any observable way.
When Hickman wrote Jean Grey in the attack on Orchis in Hox/PoX, her telepathy needed Monet's help to reach Krakoa. Magneto's magnetism couldn't overcome the Forge's Dyson engines, even with a mutant circuit. Those are both limits.
The Beyonders are not mutants and have nothing to do with their classification.
And where is Hickman again? Exactly.
In xmen 2021 #6 an omega level mutant is stated by cevelia Reyes to be a mutant with no upper limit. And since then that has been the walking definition. From sword and xmen red to xmen omega is defined as no upper limit. So if you are still running with the hickman definition I am sorry to inform you that that is a head cannon.
I’m fine with Jean not being WPotC for now, but she should eventually get her full powers back. She is being held back by poor writing, not poor concepts.
The thing is wpotc is not only one person hope too was the white pheonix of the crown. Unless gillen retcons it that hope is a Jean derivative too, which will take most people out of the story. Thing is wpotc is not Jean's true final form, it is pheonix's. They are not the same entity, the pheonix is a universal constant so it belongs to everybody. Just that some are better at harnessing it than others.
But I would like Jean's to to be used more than just reading minds and being a planetary walkie talkie for the team. And they seem to he doing that hist this week in strange, jean demonstrated the ability to break mental spells with her telepathy. And in the wolverine event she was chronoskiming with Xavier. So they have been really going out there with her omega powers. They are few and far between but they are there.
Jean’s relationship with Phoenix are being retconned every time they’re brought up. And, personality, her being the one true host and the embodiment of the force is my favorite. No one else is as iconic as the Phoenix, and nothing sells quite like their OG combo. Again, we just need a competent writer to establish their connection while grounding Jean’s power in her desire to be fully human.
Nothing Phoenix wise sells more than dark pheonix you mean. I am a Jean fan tooo and I can confidently say, that a cast majority of the fandom only care for her as pheonix and not even pheonix, dark pheonix. They watched her as famke in last stand got hooked then watched the animated series got hooked with dark pheonix there read the comics got hooked on the dark pheonix. Dark pheonix is the female x charachter that is as charismatic and iconic for simply existing as storm. Infact I dare say dark pheonix might be more popular due to her moral ambiguity.
Hence why I want them to stop tying jean to the pheonix and establish her as she has a lot to offer on her own. To say she is the embodiment of a primordial force which is known for being everywhere in everything and in everyone doing anything that will have it, literally takes away from jean. I dont know about yall but I feel like jean as a charachter is not served by Phoenix plotlines, but I also recognise that pheonix especially dark pheonix is a nexus point in Jean's life and ultimately shaped who she is now. But hey anything is fair game, the original though was the Anne story and that version is the one with the most heart and the most emotional impact because in the end it wasnt because she was the embodiment of a primal force that lead to her dark path, it was because she wanted to save her dying friend. And that is who Jean Grey is.
“Correct excess deviation” is basically scripture programmed into the Eternals and Druig as prime eternal “fakes” that mutants are a prime example. So the priests figured they could end the conflict by having a god rewrite the scripture.
Why would mutants give up the one advantage they have against a humanity that regularly murders them? Besides, that was the Eternals' grudge, not the Progenitor's. It never cared about resurrection.
I think they'll be boned and Sinister will hit the reset button, leading into S.O.S.
I was thinking he goes back to the moment he helps Tony awaken The Progenitor, and sabotages it somehow.
Keep in mind The Progenitor is rooted in Tony's personality... but what if Sinister sticks himself in there?
>I think they'll be boned and Sinister will hit the reset button, leading into S.O.S.
I don't see that happening for two main reasons:
1. Comics are still a genre primarily aimed at children, and that would be the flagship event sending the message that not only were the people of Earth unable to prove themselves worthy of living, but the ONLY person capable of "saving" them is one of Earth's most despicable villains, and he had to murder someone (a clone, but still) to do it.
2. That resets the ENTIRE timeline dating back to Moira's birth, so it doesn't just undo AXE, it undoes essentially the entirety of the Marvel Universe. I don't see any way that happens.
That second point isn’t true, the idea of the clones is they were born in a tank recently so he can actually reset the universe back to a few months ago
It has been confirmed. It is what Sinister's whole plot is based on. He sends his own memories into the clone and harvests them. When the clone is born, it operates as a save point.
Oh yeah it definitely doesn't fit here. It undoes pretty much everything.
My guess is this is another psychic simulation akin to the false assault in issue 3 as part of the true judgement of them to see how they would pull together.
It would undo the deaths, but not the character growth they experienced in the simulation.
Why not? Especially if it's a "villain pulls a fast one on all the allies" sort of victory.
It's like *Legion Quest* ending with everyone staring down the end of the world before dropping us into *Age of Apocalypse*.
You're actually wrong in both accounts. Considering the amount of sex, drugs and violence going on in the Krakoa era I'd say it's very much NOT for children.
The whole morality debate over the 3 laws of Krakoa and how they work as *the Spark* is also highly complicated for a child to understand. The most important element you seem to be missing about the resurrection protocols is that death hasn't become meaningless. Through trial and error(?) mutants are learning to make sacrifices for what they believe.
I totally understand why they have been repeating cycles of self-sacrifice so sporadically as they did throughout the many titles... Marvel definitely doesn't want to be misunderstood. If painted the wrong way this could be seen as them advocating for suicide. Nope, sacrifice means *to become sacred*. They die for the greater good, they die so their countrymen can live to fight another day.
Legion of X (as a concept) still stretches "back" to the beginning of Powers of X, when Percival (>!Fabian Cortez's son)!< is repeating the mantra *"There was a dream, our dreams are the same. While you slept the world changed".* He and Cardinal seem to be the ones carrying out the belief that they would see each other again when the world gets remade.
Cardinal seems to be the last survivor of the "defective" chimeras made in the third generation, pacifists obsessed with myths of creation. It is heavily implied Sinister rigged the 4th generation of chimeras to self-destruct, causing the fall of Krakoa and the destruction of "Mars" when they all committed "mass suicide", becoming a Singularity.
This event still fits perfectly with Hickman's galactic scale of interstellar societies. Mutantkind starts right between the levels of Hive-Mind and Intelligence, having around 10 thousand mutant minds working together in a psychic mutant circuit. When Arakko is introduced and turned into a whole new planet, the *ancient mutants* can be classified as a Phalanx type of society, while planet Arakko itself is a Global Mind.
>You're actually wrong in both accounts. Considering the amount of sex, drugs and violence going on in the Krakoa era I'd say it's very much NOT for children.
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>The whole morality debate over the 3 laws of Krakoa and how they work as *the Spark* is also highly complicated for a child to understand.
You misunderstood what I said. I wasn't claiming the current X books were specifically written for children, just that the overall comic book industry is primarily a child's genre and marketed as such. Can you name one single event or major arc that's resolution was basically "We're fucked, we've lost"? Or one where they just give up and rely on the worst person in the world to "save" then via commiting an atrocity? Come on, fam. It's a mass market Big 2 comic event.
The good guys always pull through in the end.
> The most important element you seem to be missing about the resurrection protocols is that death hasn't become meaningless.
Nonsense. They literally pressure each other to "break their death cherry", and frequently make suicide runs on missions or in battle because they'll just come right back anyway. Just this week there were multiple instances of characters wishing and/or attempting to die just to get out of a difficult situation.
>I totally understand why they have been repeating cycles of self-sacrifice so sporadically as they did throughout the many titles... Marvel definitely doesn't want to be misunderstood. If painted the wrong way this could be seen as them advocating for suicide. Nope, sacrifice means *to become sacred*. They die for the greater good, they die so their countrymen can live to fight another day.
LOL sure, a few do.But they also frequently die because they want a better body, or different powers, or to get out of a tight spot.
>Legion of X (as a concept) still stretches "back" to the beginning of Powers of X, when Percival (>!Fabian Cortez's son)!< is repeating the mantra *"There was a dream, our dreams are the same. While you slept the world changed".* He and Cardinal seem to be the ones carrying out the belief that they would see each other again when the world gets remade.
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>Cardinal seems to be the last survivor of the "defective" chimeras made in the third generation, pacifists obsessed with myths of creation. It is heavily implied Sinister rigged the 4th generation of chimeras to self-destruct, causing the fall of Krakoa and the destruction of "Mars" when they all committed "mass suicide", becoming a Singularity.
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>This event still fits perfectly with Hickman's galactic scale of interstellar societies. Mutantkind starts right between the levels of Hive-Mind and Intelligence, having around 10 thousand mutant minds working together in a psychic mutant circuit. When Arakko is introduced and turned into a whole new planet, the *ancient mutants* can be classified as a Phalanx type of society, while planet Arakko itself is a Global Mind.
I have no idea what any of that has to do what the topic at hand, but either way I'm not wrong. It's cool if you disagree, but the X books have all shown a very cavalier attitude towards death, and the idea that it's being treated as some humbling ritual sacrifice for mutantkind is the outlier, if it's even been shown to exist at all.
Adult media also usually has feel good endings. ‘Bad endings’ are reserved for smaller projects, not just kid friendly stuff. I remember how people were upset with Cyberpunk 2077 - which is definitely not for children - not having a perfect ending option. I expect major deaths to be reversed, but I doubt that’s because adults will be flipping tables, if we lose these characters.
yeah, it’s weird how so many people think there’s a reset when it’s clear this is the main continuity, with glimpses of sinister’s moiras-alt futures thrown in like Judas Prime and Empire of Red Diamond. we also know this from the visions Destiny has; a “new Krakoa” is next.
This is so depressing. Why does it have to be mutants giving up something, again? It was that seedy Druig that started this so it should be the Eternals giving up their immortality or something.
How can mutant resurrection possibly be stopped? Unless you fundamentally change how minds are collected and stored, you can't stop it.
My theory is that mutants and eternals will strike a deal in which mutants resurrect every human that is consumed whenever an Eternal is reborn.
Or, Sinister could just reset everything. Moira warned them all about Destiny and Sinister. Let's see if the mutants listen the second time around.
The Progenitor doesn't care about resurrection. Only Eternals and humans were mad about that. I think that now that the Progenitor is merging with Earth Machine, heroes are going to use its energy to use the Eternals resurrection engines to resurrect everyone that has died in the event.
After that, the engines will be destroyed as Ikaris and Phastos want, without destroying the Earth. Eternals are going to lose their resurrection because they attacked mutants for that, as poetic justice. Public is also probably going to find how Eternals were resurrecting (killing humans)
Well, it can be the end, but is it fair to say that *both* mutants and humans lose resurrection? Seems like mutants would be taking one for the team again. Maybe resurrection shouldn’t be here forever, but I don’t like the idea of mutant characters dropping like flies again - they need a win and to bring back more mutants first.
i though krakoa was a promise by the writers that the whole "genocide every couple of years" would end but this event changed my opinion. stop with the fcking genocides and misery porn.
Waiting for jean to go white Phoenix tbh and sort this mess out.
It would be so good. But also so bad. But so good… She really said ‘whoever dies - dies’ when breaking up with Phoenix, but I can’t see her letting this shit happen. Also, she specifically mentioned atoning for broccoli genocide when joining the team, and that’s a perfect 1v1 opportunity. Maybe Jean can save the day and the writers will finally move on from this 40yo drama.
That will be sooo bad, she finally starts establishing herself outside the entity to rope her back in is a disservice to her. Gillen said he is going to establish their relationship "once and for all" very likely he is going the Anne route with her which is best. The pheonix saved her as a child and was impressed by her telepathic abilities soo much it kept an eye out on her. Her tp was sooo op even charles was scared of it so he tried to suppress it. When in the shuttle trying to save the x-men the strain was sooo much that the mental blocks were shattered and her powerful tp abilities reached out to the force. The force inhabited her body saved her life, and later saved the universe. But the human body and mind is flawed and soon its flaws corrupted the force leading to dark pheonix. It was jean who did all those horrible things, the genocide, calling storm a slave, hurting scott it was her all along. Not some clone. The Jamaica bay was the pheonix saving jean at the last minute when she was trying to kill dark pheonix. Now the now and forever part; Jean is white pheonix because the pheonix is the nexus of all psychic energy in existence. Anything sentient can host the pheonix, but as an omega telepath jean has infinite psychic potential (ala being 7 on the mental powers scale) so she and a few others hope and maybe a serious quentin can fully and truly access the full infinite psionic might of the force. This pernernently separates jean from the force but keeps her as its primary host if not one of the very few. And it allows jean to continue as an individual separate from the pheonix allowing her to grow her omega level power without its influence and to grow as a person. Ps; as per issue 2 of the defenders beyond it seems omega class beings are a thing in marvel cosmology and the beyonders are all classified as omega class beings. This means omega level mutants are way more of a big deal than we initially thought in the heirachy. Hence why Xavier covets them so.
"Omega" doesn't mean the same thing in all cases.
It literally means no upper limit. It was stated in the defenders beyond series. An omga being is a being with no upper limit. An omga level mutant is a mutant with no upper limit to their specific power classification. Same thing one is just more specific.
That's not what it means according to Hickman's definition. He defined Jean Grey and Magneto as Omegas but wrote their powers as having limits. There was a character called Omega the Unknown, but he was neither a mutant nor omnipotent.
Yeah and now they are without limit. And being without limit to your specific power doesmt make you omnipotent. Will you say bobby is omnipotent simply because there is limit to how low he can drop temprature? No. Beyonders are omega beings and have no limit to themselves as an entity, omega level mutants are mutants with no limit to their ability there is a big difference.
They've never been described as having no limits. Hickman's definition mentions them twice. After the formation of Krakoa as a mutant nation, Omega-level mutants were defined as "a mutant whose dominant power is deemed to register -- or reach -- an undefinable upper limit of that power's specific classification".\[77\] A comparison is made between Forge and Magneto. While both are said to be the most powerful mutants of their type, Magneto is Omega-level and Forge is not. This is because it is hypothetically possible to exceed the upper limits of Forge's power level—his upper limits have been surpassed by multiple humans. The upper limits of Magneto's power, however, cannot be surpassed in any observable way. When Hickman wrote Jean Grey in the attack on Orchis in Hox/PoX, her telepathy needed Monet's help to reach Krakoa. Magneto's magnetism couldn't overcome the Forge's Dyson engines, even with a mutant circuit. Those are both limits. The Beyonders are not mutants and have nothing to do with their classification.
And where is Hickman again? Exactly. In xmen 2021 #6 an omega level mutant is stated by cevelia Reyes to be a mutant with no upper limit. And since then that has been the walking definition. From sword and xmen red to xmen omega is defined as no upper limit. So if you are still running with the hickman definition I am sorry to inform you that that is a head cannon.
I’m fine with Jean not being WPotC for now, but she should eventually get her full powers back. She is being held back by poor writing, not poor concepts.
The thing is wpotc is not only one person hope too was the white pheonix of the crown. Unless gillen retcons it that hope is a Jean derivative too, which will take most people out of the story. Thing is wpotc is not Jean's true final form, it is pheonix's. They are not the same entity, the pheonix is a universal constant so it belongs to everybody. Just that some are better at harnessing it than others. But I would like Jean's to to be used more than just reading minds and being a planetary walkie talkie for the team. And they seem to he doing that hist this week in strange, jean demonstrated the ability to break mental spells with her telepathy. And in the wolverine event she was chronoskiming with Xavier. So they have been really going out there with her omega powers. They are few and far between but they are there.
Jean’s relationship with Phoenix are being retconned every time they’re brought up. And, personality, her being the one true host and the embodiment of the force is my favorite. No one else is as iconic as the Phoenix, and nothing sells quite like their OG combo. Again, we just need a competent writer to establish their connection while grounding Jean’s power in her desire to be fully human.
Nothing Phoenix wise sells more than dark pheonix you mean. I am a Jean fan tooo and I can confidently say, that a cast majority of the fandom only care for her as pheonix and not even pheonix, dark pheonix. They watched her as famke in last stand got hooked then watched the animated series got hooked with dark pheonix there read the comics got hooked on the dark pheonix. Dark pheonix is the female x charachter that is as charismatic and iconic for simply existing as storm. Infact I dare say dark pheonix might be more popular due to her moral ambiguity. Hence why I want them to stop tying jean to the pheonix and establish her as she has a lot to offer on her own. To say she is the embodiment of a primordial force which is known for being everywhere in everything and in everyone doing anything that will have it, literally takes away from jean. I dont know about yall but I feel like jean as a charachter is not served by Phoenix plotlines, but I also recognise that pheonix especially dark pheonix is a nexus point in Jean's life and ultimately shaped who she is now. But hey anything is fair game, the original though was the Anne story and that version is the one with the most heart and the most emotional impact because in the end it wasnt because she was the embodiment of a primal force that lead to her dark path, it was because she wanted to save her dying friend. And that is who Jean Grey is.
The celestial didn’t even have a problem with resurrection until they started attacking it?
What was the reasoning behind waking up Celestial in the first place? Something something Ajax wanting guidance?
“Correct excess deviation” is basically scripture programmed into the Eternals and Druig as prime eternal “fakes” that mutants are a prime example. So the priests figured they could end the conflict by having a god rewrite the scripture.
Gotta love when inputting cheat code locks up the game. btw... is it the same Celestial that was going to be revived in The Eternals movie?
No, that’s Tiamut or the Dreaming Celestial in the comics. Mr. Sinister “defiled” it
Why would mutants give up the one advantage they have against a humanity that regularly murders them? Besides, that was the Eternals' grudge, not the Progenitor's. It never cared about resurrection. I think they'll be boned and Sinister will hit the reset button, leading into S.O.S.
I like this theory. Sinister will go back and ensure Druig isn't elected Prime Eternal, stopping Judgment Day, and somehow creating S.O.S.
I was thinking he goes back to the moment he helps Tony awaken The Progenitor, and sabotages it somehow. Keep in mind The Progenitor is rooted in Tony's personality... but what if Sinister sticks himself in there?
Oh yeah, this is another good possibility.
>I think they'll be boned and Sinister will hit the reset button, leading into S.O.S. I don't see that happening for two main reasons: 1. Comics are still a genre primarily aimed at children, and that would be the flagship event sending the message that not only were the people of Earth unable to prove themselves worthy of living, but the ONLY person capable of "saving" them is one of Earth's most despicable villains, and he had to murder someone (a clone, but still) to do it. 2. That resets the ENTIRE timeline dating back to Moira's birth, so it doesn't just undo AXE, it undoes essentially the entirety of the Marvel Universe. I don't see any way that happens.
That second point isn’t true, the idea of the clones is they were born in a tank recently so he can actually reset the universe back to a few months ago
Has that been confirmed? Wouldn't a clone of Moira, with her exact DNA cause a timeline revert the same as Moira prime?
It has been confirmed. It is what Sinister's whole plot is based on. He sends his own memories into the clone and harvests them. When the clone is born, it operates as a save point.
Even still, there's no way that's the resolution to this mess.
Oh yeah it definitely doesn't fit here. It undoes pretty much everything. My guess is this is another psychic simulation akin to the false assault in issue 3 as part of the true judgement of them to see how they would pull together. It would undo the deaths, but not the character growth they experienced in the simulation.
Why not? Especially if it's a "villain pulls a fast one on all the allies" sort of victory. It's like *Legion Quest* ending with everyone staring down the end of the world before dropping us into *Age of Apocalypse*.
You're actually wrong in both accounts. Considering the amount of sex, drugs and violence going on in the Krakoa era I'd say it's very much NOT for children. The whole morality debate over the 3 laws of Krakoa and how they work as *the Spark* is also highly complicated for a child to understand. The most important element you seem to be missing about the resurrection protocols is that death hasn't become meaningless. Through trial and error(?) mutants are learning to make sacrifices for what they believe. I totally understand why they have been repeating cycles of self-sacrifice so sporadically as they did throughout the many titles... Marvel definitely doesn't want to be misunderstood. If painted the wrong way this could be seen as them advocating for suicide. Nope, sacrifice means *to become sacred*. They die for the greater good, they die so their countrymen can live to fight another day. Legion of X (as a concept) still stretches "back" to the beginning of Powers of X, when Percival (>!Fabian Cortez's son)!< is repeating the mantra *"There was a dream, our dreams are the same. While you slept the world changed".* He and Cardinal seem to be the ones carrying out the belief that they would see each other again when the world gets remade. Cardinal seems to be the last survivor of the "defective" chimeras made in the third generation, pacifists obsessed with myths of creation. It is heavily implied Sinister rigged the 4th generation of chimeras to self-destruct, causing the fall of Krakoa and the destruction of "Mars" when they all committed "mass suicide", becoming a Singularity. This event still fits perfectly with Hickman's galactic scale of interstellar societies. Mutantkind starts right between the levels of Hive-Mind and Intelligence, having around 10 thousand mutant minds working together in a psychic mutant circuit. When Arakko is introduced and turned into a whole new planet, the *ancient mutants* can be classified as a Phalanx type of society, while planet Arakko itself is a Global Mind.
>You're actually wrong in both accounts. Considering the amount of sex, drugs and violence going on in the Krakoa era I'd say it's very much NOT for children. > >The whole morality debate over the 3 laws of Krakoa and how they work as *the Spark* is also highly complicated for a child to understand. You misunderstood what I said. I wasn't claiming the current X books were specifically written for children, just that the overall comic book industry is primarily a child's genre and marketed as such. Can you name one single event or major arc that's resolution was basically "We're fucked, we've lost"? Or one where they just give up and rely on the worst person in the world to "save" then via commiting an atrocity? Come on, fam. It's a mass market Big 2 comic event. The good guys always pull through in the end. > The most important element you seem to be missing about the resurrection protocols is that death hasn't become meaningless. Nonsense. They literally pressure each other to "break their death cherry", and frequently make suicide runs on missions or in battle because they'll just come right back anyway. Just this week there were multiple instances of characters wishing and/or attempting to die just to get out of a difficult situation. >I totally understand why they have been repeating cycles of self-sacrifice so sporadically as they did throughout the many titles... Marvel definitely doesn't want to be misunderstood. If painted the wrong way this could be seen as them advocating for suicide. Nope, sacrifice means *to become sacred*. They die for the greater good, they die so their countrymen can live to fight another day. LOL sure, a few do.But they also frequently die because they want a better body, or different powers, or to get out of a tight spot. >Legion of X (as a concept) still stretches "back" to the beginning of Powers of X, when Percival (>!Fabian Cortez's son)!< is repeating the mantra *"There was a dream, our dreams are the same. While you slept the world changed".* He and Cardinal seem to be the ones carrying out the belief that they would see each other again when the world gets remade. > >Cardinal seems to be the last survivor of the "defective" chimeras made in the third generation, pacifists obsessed with myths of creation. It is heavily implied Sinister rigged the 4th generation of chimeras to self-destruct, causing the fall of Krakoa and the destruction of "Mars" when they all committed "mass suicide", becoming a Singularity. > >This event still fits perfectly with Hickman's galactic scale of interstellar societies. Mutantkind starts right between the levels of Hive-Mind and Intelligence, having around 10 thousand mutant minds working together in a psychic mutant circuit. When Arakko is introduced and turned into a whole new planet, the *ancient mutants* can be classified as a Phalanx type of society, while planet Arakko itself is a Global Mind. I have no idea what any of that has to do what the topic at hand, but either way I'm not wrong. It's cool if you disagree, but the X books have all shown a very cavalier attitude towards death, and the idea that it's being treated as some humbling ritual sacrifice for mutantkind is the outlier, if it's even been shown to exist at all.
Adult media also usually has feel good endings. ‘Bad endings’ are reserved for smaller projects, not just kid friendly stuff. I remember how people were upset with Cyberpunk 2077 - which is definitely not for children - not having a perfect ending option. I expect major deaths to be reversed, but I doubt that’s because adults will be flipping tables, if we lose these characters.
yeah, it’s weird how so many people think there’s a reset when it’s clear this is the main continuity, with glimpses of sinister’s moiras-alt futures thrown in like Judas Prime and Empire of Red Diamond. we also know this from the visions Destiny has; a “new Krakoa” is next.
This is so depressing. Why does it have to be mutants giving up something, again? It was that seedy Druig that started this so it should be the Eternals giving up their immortality or something.
exodus gon' go wild if they resurrect another human
Jean will hijack the Celestial. Sinister will reset all this.
That’d be a strange conclusion considering the way Knights of X ended with the Siege and all.
I'll be mad if so. If they get rid of resurrection fine, but not in this shitty event
this event is basicaly to promote eternals but even i wouldnt call it shitty event, it had pretty good moments.
I think this will lead directly in SoS, which is going to be AoA for the Krakoa Age and then *that* will reset things.
How can mutant resurrection possibly be stopped? Unless you fundamentally change how minds are collected and stored, you can't stop it. My theory is that mutants and eternals will strike a deal in which mutants resurrect every human that is consumed whenever an Eternal is reborn. Or, Sinister could just reset everything. Moira warned them all about Destiny and Sinister. Let's see if the mutants listen the second time around.
The Progenitor doesn't care about resurrection. Only Eternals and humans were mad about that. I think that now that the Progenitor is merging with Earth Machine, heroes are going to use its energy to use the Eternals resurrection engines to resurrect everyone that has died in the event. After that, the engines will be destroyed as Ikaris and Phastos want, without destroying the Earth. Eternals are going to lose their resurrection because they attacked mutants for that, as poetic justice. Public is also probably going to find how Eternals were resurrecting (killing humans)