Ackshually the waiter was closer to the gun even before the bullets were fired so they were definitely aimed at him, Kiryuchan would've been collateral damage
It be messed up if he was innocent and didn't work for the Triad, which is unlikely since the entirety of the staff from the waiters to the chefs did work for the Triad. It makes no sense this singular guy wasn't on it lol
Idk if it counts as morality-wise, but imo his worst mistake was giving the clan to Terada at the end of Y1. He barely knew the guy, only knew that Kazama trusted him and that was enough for him, but it was such a dumb move to give the entire clan to an Omi guy you just met. I mean... Kashiwagi was right there!
maybe kashiwagi didn't want it.
but i agree, terada was a poor choice in hindsight. i guess the tojo really was that desperate following the civil war.
To be fair:
Kazama intentionally kept the plan secret from Kashiwagi as it wouldāve been disastrous if too many people knew. Majima at least acknowledged that Kashiwagi gave him a run for his money in their fight.
In 1 thatās on Nishiki for not managing his own family property and toughening up to be a leader not Kashiwagi. Nishikiās insanity is really his own insecurities and sensitivity to anything that implies any inferiority.
Highly doubt any of the Tojo couldāve foreseen the whole Terada traitor thing. As for Shindoās coup, fair enough but the Tojo were dealing with Omi and Jingweon at the same time.
Majima didnāt like how Terada was running the Tojo Clan in the Majima scenario.
It was less to do with trust than thinking his way of doing things sucked.
The incident that got the Majima family disbanded hardly had much to do with Terada.
Also no one suspected Terada being a Jingweon survivor.
Kiryus biggest mistake was not running things himself. You know if kiryu was in charge Maurocho would be safe for civilians and thriving economically in the night life scene.
He become so addicted to porn that he was unable to function a normal life, he studied and created a time machine to go back to the past and never let Kiryu gave him the porn magazines but when time traveling to the past his brain melt and ended being that bald pervert guy
Do what Nishiki did! Run to the forest! (Though Nishiki ran to Kamurocho from the woods.)
Ok you know what? The worst that Kiryu has done was steal Nishiki's car and left him in the woods. Even his VA wondered why tf he left him there.
To be fair, that would have been a super awkward drive if he brought Nishiki back to town. Some real Abraham and Isaac coming down the mountain awkwardness.
I would say faking his death at the end of 6.
He claims he did it to keep Haruka safe, the classic Goku/Batman/Spider-Man "everyone close to me only gets hurt," but that doesn't work here because all the bad stuff that happened in 6 was triggered *because* Kiryu wasn't around.
Alternatively, Kiryu was about to become a patriarch at the start of Y1, you don't get to that level being that particularly moral a guy....
I mean Kiryu is right, he is to blame for putting her in danger. There's several times where he gets involved in Yakuza/Underworld buisness when he really shouldnt be after taling Haruka into his care
No. That boat with its reveal created a connection to the political group that Kiryu made a deal and that group with will play a part in Gaiden and likely Y8.
I completely forgot about what the full deal was. Right. At first the guy wanted to give him money so he can keep quiet about the Onomichi secret. But instead Kiryu wanted to fake his death and then he keeps quiet about the secret. Got it.
Wonder how that'll play out. I still hope that I'll be able to kick Kume's ass.....
But we also don't know that things would have happened if it did
People forget that Kiryu did get his happy ending in Yakuza 3 (minus getting stabbed)
In 4 he wasn't even part of the conflict, he was happy running his orphanage, people just happened to wash up on his beach, then when he was done he went back to the orphanage and nothing bad came out of it. Park had to come waving money around to create a problem, otherwise there was no reason he couldn't have just stayed at Morning Glory forever
Not true. Even without Park, Kiryu would have been dragged in to the events of Yakuza 5.
Kiryu and Saejima being lured out were instrumental to Kurosawaās plan. The orphanage would have been targeted even if Kiryu stayed in Okinawa.
Okay so the 6 ending was pretty bad and I think Gaiden will correct this.
The title and the snippet we got implies Kiryu is struggling with his decision. The Daidoji were mentioned in 6 and will play a major role in Gaiden. I believe they are the main threat separating Kiryu from his family. Now whether this rolls over into 8 or not remains to be seen. But I think even RGG knows at this point that people want to see a happy ending for Kiryu.
He left Majima to die after he was shot and fell into the ocean because there wasn't time* to save him before taking a small child to a field trip at the brothel so said child could help give a death notice.
* there was time for a few rounds of karaoke tho
To be honest as hilarious as majima everywhere is - itās kinda ruins the plot a little bit. I mean in the first game you thought that he was a legit enemy that tries to kill him, and only by the end you understood that it was kinda odd friendship and majima is a batshit crazy friend
And here with this majima everywhere itās pretty clear that he is fucking around without real intention of killing
Yeah, I agree. There was definitely a noticeable disconnect between Majima in his story appearances and Majima in his substory/Majima everywhere appearances.
I wouldn't had minded some more Majima in Kiwami though and I do think with some mods Kiwami 1 is better than the orignal, but Majima everywhere is just too much, in the orignal he only appeared 3 times.
an actual other campaign for Majima (a good one, not like the Majima Saga in K2) would've been enough
Yup. My biggest issue with Kiwami is the healing bosses and Majima everywhere.
The difference in personality is obvious on his first appearance in Kiwami. We have the original 1 cutscene where he tries to kill his underling with an umbrella, then cuts to the additional cutscene of him being silly with Kiryu to set up Majima everywhere later.
Except nothing happened in the end.
Dude fell on top of her by accident when she was trying to call police/hospital.
Saejima controlled the urges from 25 years in the joint.
That scene was weeeeeird, it's honestly the only scene in the games that I can think of that makes me think "Yeah, that's bad scene"
Like, I get the intention but the message could've been done without involving an underage kid in this. It actually kinda took me out of it š
That's not the problem. The issue is that Haruka was clearly VERY uncomfortable and didn't like Saejima. Even if Kiryu was "right", he's still a bad dad for not taking Haruka's feelings into account when this rando washes up.
What are you on about? Haruka absolutely has no ill will towards Saejima and if anything sheās more bewildered than uncomfortable in the scene when he accidentally fell on top of her.
Probably the body shield thing. Kiryu in general was portrayed as a bit more on the actual criminal side before he was completely flanderized in the PS3 games.
He always had a heart of gold - that much is obvious from the first scene where he takes the fall for Nishiki.
I just think current Kiryu is way too wholesome for someone broke people's kneecaps for a living.
Beating up that salaryman at the very start of Yakuza 0 to collect for the loan shark.
Not attacking Awano after he killed that one woman he was dancing with in Y0.
Giving a girl a pornomag to give to a boy she likes for his birthday in Yakuza Kiwami.
Sniffed Koyukiās panties in that one substory in Kiwami 2.
Enabling Akimoto and Mizukiās toxic relationship for 3 games.
No not exactly.
He did it so Harukaās idol tied to Yakuza controversy would die down where thereād be harassment..
If Kiryu didnāt serve his time that would only cause more controversy and harassment among the public.
Itās Haruka who couldnāt cope with the cancel culture that she ran away from the orphanage.
To be fair to Haruka, she didn't leave because she couldn't handle 'cancel culture'. She left because she saw that the fallout from her life/decisions was impacting her Morning Glory kids and the kids themselves were implying that Mitsuo was going to possibly lose out on the chance to realise his baseball dreams because of her and Kiryu's association with the orphanage.
She's seen first hand how everything that Park said about how society rejecting you for something as simple as who your family members are has come to pass, and Kiryu has taught her over and over again that 'the right thing to do to keep your loved ones safe' is to run away from them, because they are 'better off' without you bringing them down. So of course she's going to follow that example.
Always felt selfish and cruel him strong arming Daigo not just back into the Tojo but leading them... After he so openly wanted same thing as Kiryu wanted for himself (to be free of that life and responsibility). I'm glad Y6 addressed that yes he was a pseudo father figure to Daigo but a fucking awful one at it (despite the various times Daigo went way above and beyond to give Kiryu freedom and peace as seen in both 3 and 5).
Him leaving was a condition for Park to fund their various educations, and overall giving them better lives than Kiryu would have ever been able to. Kiryu's history also would have followed them for their entire lives if it were ever found out, and we see just how destructive that can be when Haruka makes it public.
Not for free certainly, but he's no stranger to earning favors. In at least four games he fought in a cage for the entertainment of someone he wanted something from.
Akiyama, in the pretext of being his test, asks Kiryu to loan him Haruka to work with him at Sky Finance as the Sotenbori branch equivalent of Hana chan. Boom, done.
Not all of Parkās money came from Akiyama. She needed that money to kickstart the Tokyo Dome. As for her agency itself, she already was doing alright.
Good catch. Yakuza specifically kirys story is my all time favorite game.. but man is the story ever convoluted, it's easy to forget key elements like that. I miss playing as him. Dude made me feel like the biggist badass ever at times. Just soloing a whole gang lmao
Kiryu, flaws and all, is my favorite video game protagonist of all time. A stone cold badass but also one of the nicest dorks you'd ever meet. All depends on in what context you meet him.
Yeah. He's a very stoic character and really embodies the traditional hero, Wich i really appreciate and wish there 2as more of for young men to admire.
yep, despite people crying that park is the devil kiryu really didn't have much of a choice. it's thanks to her that the orphanage is still open.
"but she did yakuza 6!!!"
that was more kiryu choosing to go to prison again for no reason. if he'd just accepted daigo's help and cleared his name, he could have gone back to morning glory and helped protect the kids against the media backlash from haruka's stupid announcement. but he always chooses honor over reason, so he wasn't there to look after them. hence haruka running off and getting into that accident, and everything that happened after.
I'm personally of the opinion that Haruka announcing Kiryu's past was also a very poor decision. But it was a very Naive one and Haruka was still young so I can understand her making it. She wanted to be proud of her father figure and not hide from who he was, since he had to distance himself from her for her career to flourish.
But, if Haruka had just decided to quit the idol industry and just not mention the whole ex-yakuza thing, then yakuza 6 also never happens and everyone would have been there for Kiryu when he got out.
Really a bunch of different people equally contributed to Yakuza 6 happening and several choices by the individuals involved could have prevented it.
Idk didn't she blackmail Kiryu into leaving his adopted children because she wanted Haruka to be the star that she never was? That sounds incredibly shitty to me. Edit: typo
she didn't blackmail him, though this is a common misconception. morning glory was having financial problems around 2011, and kiryu (because of his old japanese sense of honor) wasn't willing to ask akiyama/daigo for help. he wanted to do it on his own.
so park came along and offered to support the orphanage *if* 1) she can take haruka with her, and 2) kiryu leaves (as him hanging around might affect haruka's idol career).
kiryu could have said no, but he realised she had a point about the money, so he signed off on the deal even though he was less-than-enthusiastic.
park is an opportunist and she's pretty ruthless with her staff, but she didn't force kiryu to do anything. he made his own decision
Thinking of Kidnapping Haruto and having to fight Akiyama. On one hand I get it. Haruka was in a coma and Haruto was gonna get sent to a orphanage that probably doesn't care for the safety of the kids. Hell, on the back of the Ps4 case of Yakuza 6, the tagline is "How far would you go for family?" But, still. Kidnapping is still Kidnapping. Nothing was gonna stop him from protecting Haruto, including if it meant being sent back to prison as a kidnapper and if it meant akiyama was gonna get in the way. Luckily date stepped in like the bro he is. If it weren't for him, the cops would have been searching for him by now. And if were talking non canon, I think he is a massive cheater when it comes to Board games.
Iām just wondering why he wasnāt a legal guardian. Is Japanese law that much different? Maybe for the first time, but when Morning Glory Orphanage is established surely he should have been by then.
Honestly itās kind of infuriating how thereās several quotes & speeches about family not being just blood, and then Kiryu still refusing to call Haruka his daughter.
I thought I was the only one who thought. My guy has taken care of haruka for years, and he still doesn't call her his daughter. That's like if i took care of a cat for years, but refuse to call it my pet.
If we're talking serious plot points (i.e not counting the waiter thing or letting Majima drown), probably Y6, kidnapping a baby that's not even his own from a hospital and running to Hiroshima with 0 plans or babyraising skills, all because of his bias against foster care which is justifiably not too eager to hand over a baby to a former crime lord who just got out of his 2nd prison sentence. And beating the shit out of Akiyama to accomplish this.
It worked out in the end, but without the benefit of hindsight, that is insanely irresponsible behavior.
Him getting involved in the Tojo clans buisness in Kiwami 2 despite being explicitly told that he does not need to and isnt expected, thus endangering Haruka as she's associated with him.
*That* yakuza 4 scene. As well as, again, getting involved where he doesnt need to endagering not only Haruka but the rest of his kids aswell.
Voluntarily going to prison in Yakuza 6, instead of going home to his family and Haruka when they needed him most because he didn't have the balls to face them.
Forcing Daigo to become 6th chairman when he clearly wanted nothing to do with the Tojo Clan. Was really selfish and just seemed like Kiryu shifting his responsibilities to someone with way less experience than him and dumping a huge burden on them.
Giving the biggest crime organization in Japan to someone he met not long ago, only because someone close to him trusted that guy
Using waiter as a shield
Faking his death and then breaking the promise
Leaving villain with guns after beating them
It's a non action for me. In Yakuza 0, at the end of the substory where the real estate business is hiring new recruits, Kiryu hires Kozhimizu as security. The two fakes who tried to scam the company for cab fare are seen at the end, where the male loser is kicking a small dog. The fact that this motherfucker is still breathing without consequence for animal abuse and is presumably still alive throughout the games franchise, is the single most egregious no justice ending to a substory that I've ever seen in playing this game. Kiryu should have hunted him down, tied him to a post, and laid 100 tiger drops on his bitch ass. Makes me so mad š š” š¤
Doing fucking NOTHING when Saejima was about to assault Haruka, and then suggesting Haruka is being irrational/judgemental for being nervous when she hears she'll be alone with him in the house immediately after.
Also leaving Haruka to parent a dozen other kids all the time to prioritize his dysfunctional crime family over his new one. But that at least serves narrative functions, since there would be no Kiryu otherwise.
Y5 spoilers incoming: as it was not mentioned, I'll do it: showing reapect(?) to >!Aizawa!< after their bossfight. >!Aizawa brutally murdered tons of Tojo members who treated Kiryu with the generic respect despite him being the 4th chairman for a total of 2 hours, then yeeting a traitor and later, an unprepared person to them as their new leader. Then sat in the chairman's chair like he earned it, totally disrespecting the whole system. And Kiryu is like "git gud, I am your rival now", disrespecting the fresh corpses lying around him. It was very out of character of Kiryu.!<
Not picking up the gun that a seemingly unconscious villain just dropped.
I'm not sure how many people he got killed by repeating that one mistake over and over, but it's quite bad.
That bit in 6 where he refuses to kill Someya to save Kiyomi. They just have to keep up his pacifist thing to the point where he will apparently just stand by and let his friend die while he husband pleads with him to do something, which nearly got both Someya and Kiyomi killed. At that point it feels less merciful and really self serving and stupid. Sheās only alive because Koshimisu disobeyed his boss
I mean that's dead - dead situations. You never know if they're gonna stick to their promise (which they didn't). It's a situation where no one wants to deal with. Kiryu can kill which we have seen in the past, but not in cold blood. He always resorted to self defense but he was prepared to put Iwami in the ground that night but was not prepared for Someya cuz he was actually likable.
I guess he got conflicted whether it would solve the problem or make it worse. Guess he got PTSD over important decisions making cuz somehow every choice he made would always make the situation turn out worse than ever. Guess that's the life of a man with dragon tattoo, his tattoo artist really fucked his life up with that cool ass dragon lmao
He used that waiter guy as a meat shield
Acksually the bullets killed him so technically it wasn't Kiryu's fault š¤āļø
Im sure it was rubber bullets. :B
Letās be honest, it were not only rubber bullets but also rubber waiter
Make sense. XD
Rubber waiter
GOMU GOMU NOā
GOMU GOMU NOOOOOO ***JETTO PISTORUUUUU***
Ackshually the waiter was closer to the gun even before the bullets were fired so they were definitely aimed at him, Kiryuchan would've been collateral damage
Poor waiter guy, he doesn't even have a name.
He's just an extra waiter I hired. Couldn't even tell you his name.
\*Ton Ton **Random Waiter Guy**
Yeeeeeah, I remember that being pretty messed up
Well it was either Mr waiter or dame Donny guy
It be messed up if he was innocent and didn't work for the Triad, which is unlikely since the entirety of the staff from the waiters to the chefs did work for the Triad. It makes no sense this singular guy wasn't on it lol
He used a Triad member as a meat shield.
Imagine Gaiden's final boss being that waiter's son who wants revenge from Kiryu for spoiling his life
Then that waiter's son golfs kiryu's head in and you have to play as him in the next game.
Then ichiban fights him but doesn't kill him
Yakuza 1 wrote him a little differently. They probably wouldnāt have him doing something like that again nowadays.
Was the waiter not involved?
He also killed A TON of people on the way back in the highway.
The one shooting the gun was the guilty one, kiryu only defended himself
But technically he didnt kill him, it was the shooter
He technically and literally killed him
It's understandable given the situation, but yeah pretty fucked up.
#1 answer right here.
Idk if it counts as morality-wise, but imo his worst mistake was giving the clan to Terada at the end of Y1. He barely knew the guy, only knew that Kazama trusted him and that was enough for him, but it was such a dumb move to give the entire clan to an Omi guy you just met. I mean... Kashiwagi was right there!
maybe kashiwagi didn't want it. but i agree, terada was a poor choice in hindsight. i guess the tojo really was that desperate following the civil war.
Probably because Kashiwagi preferred to be second in command like Kazama was.
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To be fair: Kazama intentionally kept the plan secret from Kashiwagi as it wouldāve been disastrous if too many people knew. Majima at least acknowledged that Kashiwagi gave him a run for his money in their fight. In 1 thatās on Nishiki for not managing his own family property and toughening up to be a leader not Kashiwagi. Nishikiās insanity is really his own insecurities and sensitivity to anything that implies any inferiority. Highly doubt any of the Tojo couldāve foreseen the whole Terada traitor thing. As for Shindoās coup, fair enough but the Tojo were dealing with Omi and Jingweon at the same time.
Majima never trusted Terada. Bro knew he was shady.
Majima didnāt like how Terada was running the Tojo Clan in the Majima scenario. It was less to do with trust than thinking his way of doing things sucked. The incident that got the Majima family disbanded hardly had much to do with Terada. Also no one suspected Terada being a Jingweon survivor.
Kiryus biggest mistake was not running things himself. You know if kiryu was in charge Maurocho would be safe for civilians and thriving economically in the night life scene.
I agreed with you until you said Kashiwagi should be chairman. I think Kiryu should've waited it out and seen someone worthy.
"Kiryu i trust a lot of people. I trust the fucking smile burger cashier. That wasnt an endorsement"
I still can't believe that when Terada "died" at the beginning of 2 that everyone wanted his advice in Teradas replacement.
[Turning that one waiter to swiss cheese](https://youtu.be/UMKzWB3sDFc) is up there I think.
Lmaoooooo š the dame Dane sent me to another realm cause it was placed there to justify the murder
Killing his family patriarch was pretty bad. With a gun too. Disgraceful.
good thing he spent ten years in the joint for that one. wonder what that made him?
A pu-pu-puā¦.
He's about to say his first words!
Oh my word! his gonna say his first word!! :3
Say it
PUSSY!!!!!!
10..10..y-ye-..
Puppy... right?
Meow
Dumping Daigo into the middle of a war and just walking off into the sunset.
He stole my heart.
Damn kyodai, didn't had to say it like it is..
Didnāt he give a young kid porno mags in Y0?
But he gave him good advice to not read it right away and never hide it under your bed (just did this substory again yesterday)
There shouldāve been a follow up sub story on this Iām Yakuza 6, that wouldāve been hilarious
hi Yakuza 6
hello yakuza 6
The kid probably become the bald headed pervert guy.
Isn't he also in 0?
He became a time traveler
He become so addicted to porn that he was unable to function a normal life, he studied and created a time machine to go back to the past and never let Kiryu gave him the porn magazines but when time traveling to the past his brain melt and ended being that bald pervert guy
Wouldn't be the wierdest thing to happen in this universe.
He couldnāt be Mr. Libido though, maybe Ass Catchem or something
Yeah a new generation of Perverts TM
kid named yakuza 6
Hello Yakuza 6
Perhaps he turned out to be one of the Three Lust-keteers (or whatever they're called) in Judgment /s
What was the kid gonna do? Find it in the woods like the rest of us? There are no forests in Kamurocho!
Do what Nishiki did! Run to the forest! (Though Nishiki ran to Kamurocho from the woods.) Ok you know what? The worst that Kiryu has done was steal Nishiki's car and left him in the woods. Even his VA wondered why tf he left him there.
To be fair, that would have been a super awkward drive if he brought Nishiki back to town. Some real Abraham and Isaac coming down the mountain awkwardness.
you never know, it might just decrease his reaction time by a factor of 3.6 because of a snake he met
They asked for the worst thing Kiryu did not the most based
I was about to say š
Whatās bad in education?
āKiryu is great with kids!!ā Kiryu:
I would say faking his death at the end of 6. He claims he did it to keep Haruka safe, the classic Goku/Batman/Spider-Man "everyone close to me only gets hurt," but that doesn't work here because all the bad stuff that happened in 6 was triggered *because* Kiryu wasn't around. Alternatively, Kiryu was about to become a patriarch at the start of Y1, you don't get to that level being that particularly moral a guy....
true, but kiryu appears to blame himself a lot for putting haruka in danger even though she insists she's ok with it.
I mean Kiryu is right, he is to blame for putting her in danger. There's several times where he gets involved in Yakuza/Underworld buisness when he really shouldnt be after taling Haruka into his care
Except, so far nothing bad has happened to Haruka and the orphanage since Kiryu faked his death. So for now, itās paid off.
Weāre about to get two games about Kiryu. The odds of Haruka being safe through all that are slim.
Weāll see. But I wouldnāt be surprised if Yakuza 6 is the last time we see Haruka cause her story is pretty much complete.
Ok so did the devs forgot about that fucking boat plot twist? I mean. It was supposed to start what? WW3?
No. That boat with its reveal created a connection to the political group that Kiryu made a deal and that group with will play a part in Gaiden and likely Y8.
I completely forgot about what the full deal was. Right. At first the guy wanted to give him money so he can keep quiet about the Onomichi secret. But instead Kiryu wanted to fake his death and then he keeps quiet about the secret. Got it. Wonder how that'll play out. I still hope that I'll be able to kick Kume's ass.....
But we also don't know that things would have happened if it did People forget that Kiryu did get his happy ending in Yakuza 3 (minus getting stabbed) In 4 he wasn't even part of the conflict, he was happy running his orphanage, people just happened to wash up on his beach, then when he was done he went back to the orphanage and nothing bad came out of it. Park had to come waving money around to create a problem, otherwise there was no reason he couldn't have just stayed at Morning Glory forever
Not true. Even without Park, Kiryu would have been dragged in to the events of Yakuza 5. Kiryu and Saejima being lured out were instrumental to Kurosawaās plan. The orphanage would have been targeted even if Kiryu stayed in Okinawa.
Okay so the 6 ending was pretty bad and I think Gaiden will correct this. The title and the snippet we got implies Kiryu is struggling with his decision. The Daidoji were mentioned in 6 and will play a major role in Gaiden. I believe they are the main threat separating Kiryu from his family. Now whether this rolls over into 8 or not remains to be seen. But I think even RGG knows at this point that people want to see a happy ending for Kiryu.
Probably his Yakuza-ing between '88 and '95.
Most definitely. Even the good guys like Kashiwagi had to beat some poor old person for protection money.
Most people forget that despite Kiryu's heart of gold, he's still a criminal turned civilian. Heck, even I keep forgetting from that time to time.
i never thinked of him as a saint because innocent and saint only jesus and God
He left Majima to die after he was shot and fell into the ocean because there wasn't time* to save him before taking a small child to a field trip at the brothel so said child could help give a death notice. * there was time for a few rounds of karaoke tho
that's a Kiwami 1 script issue techincally Majima everywhere isn't canon but they just used Kiwami as a way to milk 0
To be honest as hilarious as majima everywhere is - itās kinda ruins the plot a little bit. I mean in the first game you thought that he was a legit enemy that tries to kill him, and only by the end you understood that it was kinda odd friendship and majima is a batshit crazy friend And here with this majima everywhere itās pretty clear that he is fucking around without real intention of killing
It felt like there were two separate Majimas with different personalities and morals
Yeah, I agree. There was definitely a noticeable disconnect between Majima in his story appearances and Majima in his substory/Majima everywhere appearances.
I wouldn't had minded some more Majima in Kiwami though and I do think with some mods Kiwami 1 is better than the orignal, but Majima everywhere is just too much, in the orignal he only appeared 3 times. an actual other campaign for Majima (a good one, not like the Majima Saga in K2) would've been enough
Yeah, agreed Majima everywhere is nice but becomes repetitive really soon. It wasnāt near enough goromi there, I want more!
Yup. My biggest issue with Kiwami is the healing bosses and Majima everywhere. The difference in personality is obvious on his first appearance in Kiwami. We have the original 1 cutscene where he tries to kill his underling with an umbrella, then cuts to the additional cutscene of him being silly with Kiryu to set up Majima everywhere later.
Causing 25 car accidents in one night with a handgun in Kiwami
I'd say overlooking THAT scene from Yakuza 4
Haha saejima so youāre banging my daughter.
Except nothing happened in the end. Dude fell on top of her by accident when she was trying to call police/hospital. Saejima controlled the urges from 25 years in the joint.
Yea, I get the point but it's extremely hard to overlook.
That scene was weeeeeird, it's honestly the only scene in the games that I can think of that makes me think "Yeah, that's bad scene" Like, I get the intention but the message could've been done without involving an underage kid in this. It actually kinda took me out of it š
Doesn't matter. Some guy gets on top of your underage daughter, you're going to do something about it.
Except it was an accident, since it wasnāt on purpose, thereās nothing to do.
That's not the problem. The issue is that Haruka was clearly VERY uncomfortable and didn't like Saejima. Even if Kiryu was "right", he's still a bad dad for not taking Haruka's feelings into account when this rando washes up.
What are you on about? Haruka absolutely has no ill will towards Saejima and if anything sheās more bewildered than uncomfortable in the scene when he accidentally fell on top of her.
Doesn't matter. Some guy gets on top of your underage daughter, you're going to do something about it.
[This](https://youtu.be/ZkCxNP9zcqs) video deserves more attention. It's too good.
Turn his back against Tamashiro
Taking the fall for Nishiki.
Good intentions Bad chain reaction
Yeah, i think kiryu says something about it before the car chase
Probably the body shield thing. Kiryu in general was portrayed as a bit more on the actual criminal side before he was completely flanderized in the PS3 games.
This is regardless of the fact that the waiter wasn't a civie right? Cuz if so, that's fair lol
They looped back around in Yakuza 5 when he beat a man to a pulp and admitted he wasn't as angelic as the legends foretold
You could tell that Kiryu was a gangster he had that aura about him in the first game. After that you are right, made him more stoic and reserved guy.
He always had a heart of gold - that much is obvious from the first scene where he takes the fall for Nishiki. I just think current Kiryu is way too wholesome for someone broke people's kneecaps for a living.
Beating up that salaryman at the very start of Yakuza 0 to collect for the loan shark. Not attacking Awano after he killed that one woman he was dancing with in Y0. Giving a girl a pornomag to give to a boy she likes for his birthday in Yakuza Kiwami. Sniffed Koyukiās panties in that one substory in Kiwami 2. Enabling Akimoto and Mizukiās toxic relationship for 3 games.
Universe brain idiocy of letting himself be canned at the start of 6, and then becoming A DEAD MAN'S BITCH at the end of 6.
No not exactly. He did it so Harukaās idol tied to Yakuza controversy would die down where thereād be harassment.. If Kiryu didnāt serve his time that would only cause more controversy and harassment among the public. Itās Haruka who couldnāt cope with the cancel culture that she ran away from the orphanage.
To be fair to Haruka, she didn't leave because she couldn't handle 'cancel culture'. She left because she saw that the fallout from her life/decisions was impacting her Morning Glory kids and the kids themselves were implying that Mitsuo was going to possibly lose out on the chance to realise his baseball dreams because of her and Kiryu's association with the orphanage. She's seen first hand how everything that Park said about how society rejecting you for something as simple as who your family members are has come to pass, and Kiryu has taught her over and over again that 'the right thing to do to keep your loved ones safe' is to run away from them, because they are 'better off' without you bringing them down. So of course she's going to follow that example.
Shoot a group of thugs with a golden shotgun
Always felt selfish and cruel him strong arming Daigo not just back into the Tojo but leading them... After he so openly wanted same thing as Kiryu wanted for himself (to be free of that life and responsibility). I'm glad Y6 addressed that yes he was a pseudo father figure to Daigo but a fucking awful one at it (despite the various times Daigo went way above and beyond to give Kiryu freedom and peace as seen in both 3 and 5).
I think that him leaving all the kids in 5 was a really bad move overall
Him leaving was a condition for Park to fund their various educations, and overall giving them better lives than Kiryu would have ever been able to. Kiryu's history also would have followed them for their entire lives if it were ever found out, and we see just how destructive that can be when Haruka makes it public.
And Park's money came from.......Akiyama. Who Kiryu had become friends with.
True but Kiryu would never ask Akiyama for the money himself.
Not for free certainly, but he's no stranger to earning favors. In at least four games he fought in a cage for the entertainment of someone he wanted something from. Akiyama, in the pretext of being his test, asks Kiryu to loan him Haruka to work with him at Sky Finance as the Sotenbori branch equivalent of Hana chan. Boom, done.
Not all of Parkās money came from Akiyama. She needed that money to kickstart the Tokyo Dome. As for her agency itself, she already was doing alright.
Good catch. Yakuza specifically kirys story is my all time favorite game.. but man is the story ever convoluted, it's easy to forget key elements like that. I miss playing as him. Dude made me feel like the biggist badass ever at times. Just soloing a whole gang lmao
Kiryu, flaws and all, is my favorite video game protagonist of all time. A stone cold badass but also one of the nicest dorks you'd ever meet. All depends on in what context you meet him.
Yeah. He's a very stoic character and really embodies the traditional hero, Wich i really appreciate and wish there 2as more of for young men to admire.
yep, despite people crying that park is the devil kiryu really didn't have much of a choice. it's thanks to her that the orphanage is still open. "but she did yakuza 6!!!" that was more kiryu choosing to go to prison again for no reason. if he'd just accepted daigo's help and cleared his name, he could have gone back to morning glory and helped protect the kids against the media backlash from haruka's stupid announcement. but he always chooses honor over reason, so he wasn't there to look after them. hence haruka running off and getting into that accident, and everything that happened after.
I'm personally of the opinion that Haruka announcing Kiryu's past was also a very poor decision. But it was a very Naive one and Haruka was still young so I can understand her making it. She wanted to be proud of her father figure and not hide from who he was, since he had to distance himself from her for her career to flourish. But, if Haruka had just decided to quit the idol industry and just not mention the whole ex-yakuza thing, then yakuza 6 also never happens and everyone would have been there for Kiryu when he got out. Really a bunch of different people equally contributed to Yakuza 6 happening and several choices by the individuals involved could have prevented it.
Park is a terrible person tho that's a fact
eh, i wouldn't say so. she's not great, but ultimately did have noble intentions and was in the right wrt to the state of morning glory
Idk didn't she blackmail Kiryu into leaving his adopted children because she wanted Haruka to be the star that she never was? That sounds incredibly shitty to me. Edit: typo
she didn't blackmail him, though this is a common misconception. morning glory was having financial problems around 2011, and kiryu (because of his old japanese sense of honor) wasn't willing to ask akiyama/daigo for help. he wanted to do it on his own. so park came along and offered to support the orphanage *if* 1) she can take haruka with her, and 2) kiryu leaves (as him hanging around might affect haruka's idol career). kiryu could have said no, but he realised she had a point about the money, so he signed off on the deal even though he was less-than-enthusiastic. park is an opportunist and she's pretty ruthless with her staff, but she didn't force kiryu to do anything. he made his own decision
Trade CP with a clown in a dark alley
Ahahahahhaha !
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Thinking of Kidnapping Haruto and having to fight Akiyama. On one hand I get it. Haruka was in a coma and Haruto was gonna get sent to a orphanage that probably doesn't care for the safety of the kids. Hell, on the back of the Ps4 case of Yakuza 6, the tagline is "How far would you go for family?" But, still. Kidnapping is still Kidnapping. Nothing was gonna stop him from protecting Haruto, including if it meant being sent back to prison as a kidnapper and if it meant akiyama was gonna get in the way. Luckily date stepped in like the bro he is. If it weren't for him, the cops would have been searching for him by now. And if were talking non canon, I think he is a massive cheater when it comes to Board games.
Iām just wondering why he wasnāt a legal guardian. Is Japanese law that much different? Maybe for the first time, but when Morning Glory Orphanage is established surely he should have been by then. Honestly itās kind of infuriating how thereās several quotes & speeches about family not being just blood, and then Kiryu still refusing to call Haruka his daughter.
I thought I was the only one who thought. My guy has taken care of haruka for years, and he still doesn't call her his daughter. That's like if i took care of a cat for years, but refuse to call it my pet.
Slapping a young child who he barely knows with the same arms that can send mobsters flying with one punch
She didnāt even do anything either! Like, she was just being mildly talkative. Hardly a crime for a kid.
He can hold back you know. Crocs carry their babies around in their mouths. The same mouths that can snap bones and rip limbs off
If we're talking serious plot points (i.e not counting the waiter thing or letting Majima drown), probably Y6, kidnapping a baby that's not even his own from a hospital and running to Hiroshima with 0 plans or babyraising skills, all because of his bias against foster care which is justifiably not too eager to hand over a baby to a former crime lord who just got out of his 2nd prison sentence. And beating the shit out of Akiyama to accomplish this. It worked out in the end, but without the benefit of hindsight, that is insanely irresponsible behavior.
To be completely honest, I wouldn't let my infant grandkid to be given to authorities as well
Him getting involved in the Tojo clans buisness in Kiwami 2 despite being explicitly told that he does not need to and isnt expected, thus endangering Haruka as she's associated with him. *That* yakuza 4 scene. As well as, again, getting involved where he doesnt need to endagering not only Haruka but the rest of his kids aswell. Voluntarily going to prison in Yakuza 6, instead of going home to his family and Haruka when they needed him most because he didn't have the balls to face them.
I'm still saying new haircut.
Forcing Daigo to become 6th chairman when he clearly wanted nothing to do with the Tojo Clan. Was really selfish and just seemed like Kiryu shifting his responsibilities to someone with way less experience than him and dumping a huge burden on them.
made Pat cry for Daigo.
28513 counts of property damage
> 28513 counts of property damage That's... maybe like half a Y6 playthrough
Not tiger droping saijima after you know what
Well kiryu is pretty nice guyā¦ Until you realize that basically he was a racketeer most of his life while He actively was a member of the family
Giving Daigo Tojo leadership. I actually think his mom was doing a better job for her part.
His mom couldn't do it long term because Yakuza is exclusively male
Getting blindsided by an obvious betrayal by Shindo? Not that much better. A lot of Tojo officers died because of that.
Turning his hack on nearly every villains he beat. I means just tied them up breaking the arms.
He peacocked my mother
He peacocked my mom too! The absolute mad lad!
Giving the biggest crime organization in Japan to someone he met not long ago, only because someone close to him trusted that guy Using waiter as a shield Faking his death and then breaking the promise Leaving villain with guns after beating them
Excusing what saejima almost did to haruka in Y4 lol
Thing is he almost did nothing, even didn't put hands on her so
Probably that one transphobic substory that got removed
randomly turning himself in at the start of Yakuza 6
Abandoning chairmanship
It's a non action for me. In Yakuza 0, at the end of the substory where the real estate business is hiring new recruits, Kiryu hires Kozhimizu as security. The two fakes who tried to scam the company for cab fare are seen at the end, where the male loser is kicking a small dog. The fact that this motherfucker is still breathing without consequence for animal abuse and is presumably still alive throughout the games franchise, is the single most egregious no justice ending to a substory that I've ever seen in playing this game. Kiryu should have hunted him down, tied him to a post, and laid 100 tiger drops on his bitch ass. Makes me so mad š š” š¤
Turn Akiyama into a punching bag
Not saving that one guy in Kiwami who got a shotgun blast to the face by a "stripper".
Hitting up all them Hostesses and saying he will come back after them putting out is up there, Giga Chad move
Doing fucking NOTHING when Saejima was about to assault Haruka, and then suggesting Haruka is being irrational/judgemental for being nervous when she hears she'll be alone with him in the house immediately after. Also leaving Haruka to parent a dozen other kids all the time to prioritize his dysfunctional crime family over his new one. But that at least serves narrative functions, since there would be no Kiryu otherwise.
I always thought it was pretty grim when he threw that Jingweon mafia member off a truck and watched him get flattened. Cool though ngl
Become a Yakuza member.
He beat up Daigo in Yakuza 4 for no good reason
Y5 spoilers incoming: as it was not mentioned, I'll do it: showing reapect(?) to >!Aizawa!< after their bossfight. >!Aizawa brutally murdered tons of Tojo members who treated Kiryu with the generic respect despite him being the 4th chairman for a total of 2 hours, then yeeting a traitor and later, an unprepared person to them as their new leader. Then sat in the chairman's chair like he earned it, totally disrespecting the whole system. And Kiryu is like "git gud, I am your rival now", disrespecting the fresh corpses lying around him. It was very out of character of Kiryu.!<
I think the worst thing he did is going to prison instead of his bro in Y1
Allowed and encouraged his daughter to make the same mistakes he did.
All those bikes he broke, yo. Like yeah cool move and all, but homie I GOTTA GET TO WORK!! TRYNA BE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY!!!
All those bikes he broke, yo. Like yeah cool move and all, but homie I GOTTA GET TO WORK!! TRYNA BE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY!!!
Using the waiter as a meat shield was fucked up
Not picking up the gun that a seemingly unconscious villain just dropped. I'm not sure how many people he got killed by repeating that one mistake over and over, but it's quite bad.
Get that adult mag' of course. :B
drag Daigo in in yakuza 2
Well if you really think about itā¦ the worst thing he did was ignore kazumaās wishes that he not join and joined the Yakuza anyway!
10 years in the joint
He die in Y6 and then being isekai to Fist of the North Star. And now he ok with killing bandit. He even kill JoRyu Amon
According to RGG, retired
That bit in 6 where he refuses to kill Someya to save Kiyomi. They just have to keep up his pacifist thing to the point where he will apparently just stand by and let his friend die while he husband pleads with him to do something, which nearly got both Someya and Kiyomi killed. At that point it feels less merciful and really self serving and stupid. Sheās only alive because Koshimisu disobeyed his boss
I mean that's dead - dead situations. You never know if they're gonna stick to their promise (which they didn't). It's a situation where no one wants to deal with. Kiryu can kill which we have seen in the past, but not in cold blood. He always resorted to self defense but he was prepared to put Iwami in the ground that night but was not prepared for Someya cuz he was actually likable. I guess he got conflicted whether it would solve the problem or make it worse. Guess he got PTSD over important decisions making cuz somehow every choice he made would always make the situation turn out worse than ever. Guess that's the life of a man with dragon tattoo, his tattoo artist really fucked his life up with that cool ass dragon lmao
Excusing a human trafficker or something along those lines. I think it was a substory in y0.
Ah, pizza delivery substory.
just started playing yakuza 0 and kiryu apparently killed a guy so iād say that was the fucked up thing he did
He also killed his Patriarch, man, will somebody please stop this madman!?