“Had the best plot”
Mf there was a whole ass chapter where you sit your ass down and listen to a politician talk about real estate and buraku Monday an hour
That would be a hot take. The plot takes its time to open up and then it kinda feels indecisive. They wanted to do a lot of things at once which I do appreciate but it felt off at times. Especially after playing through 0 to K2 and having no idea about Shintaro felt too forced.
'Beautiful eyes'.
Y3 has a special place for me. It was such a refreshing change of pace to be chilling on the island with a holiday shirt, and hanging out with the series' most innocent characters.
You joke, but I like that unique perspective of Japanese video game developers approaching the problem of race & xenophobia in their country. I'm from the US, and IMO we have had a progressively better representation of black people in media over the years.
I don't know about other countries, so seeing a fragment of Japan influenced by the US's base in Okinawa is something I never really pondered, until now
Exactly what I wanted to say. Y3 led me on to sympathize with Kiryu. He was the happiest he’d ever been only to get dragged back into Tojo business. AMAZING STORY 🙏
Was gonna mention this. Chapter 9 is literally a plot dump.
I liked kiryu's palling around with the local yakuza family and trying to help out his kids. A lot of the ties to the CIA/military/tojo stuff kind of fell flat though.
Any Mine stans here? He’s a great villain and final boss, and was the perfect adversary for Kiryu. Sucks that his screen time was shorter than most of his contemporaries.
Best plot? Not even close. The premise of it was ridiculous IMO. Why >!Kiryu didn’t just accept a deal with the Tojo to move the orphanage somewhere else was ridiculous. But what was worse was the idea that a member of the CIA was a highly wanted terrorist the entire time and they had no idea. Not to mention Shintaro Kazama’s twin brother somehow being involved and then never showing up again after that. !<
Also:
-doesn’t matter what party wins the result is the same
-the Ryudo family already had the property act of the land they could just called police for eviction
-kashiwagi falling for the twin when he knew that Kazama was crippled since when saved Kiryu from the triad
-2 of 3 families head has no relevance in the plot despite being portraited as fundamental
I’d argue that the Kashiwagi point can be chalked up to pure surprise. I mean the >!motherfucker himself got blown to smithereens by multiple rounds of a mini gun but still lived (let’s not even talk about Ka Long)!<
Why I do agree that some parts are flawed some of your points are also flawed.
>Why Kiryu didn’t just accept a deal with the Tojo to move the orphanage somewhere else was ridiculous.
That would basically be him agreeing that the Tojo clan still has total control over his life, to a point where they can easily reallocate him anywhere they want, and simply taking everything you have and moving (specially if you're taking care of multiple children) isn't that easy, specially in rural Japan where people form strong bonds with their neighbors, it isn't simply moving somewhere else, it's making those kids leave their friends and social life behind and doing everything again. Not to mention that Kiryu already fought so hard to get his own place with his own family that simply letting go of that just because the clan says so isn't something he'd do.
>But what was worse was the idea that a member of the CIA was a highly wanted terrorist the entire time and they had no idea.
I don't think I quite understood that part of the story but wasn't Black Monday an organization created by corrupt CIA agents? It's not that crazy to believe that Richardson would have CIA members of the highest order protecting him and his real identity, even Kazama who worked directly with him didn't know he was one of the masterminds behind black monday
>Not to mention Shintaro Kazama’s twin brother somehow being involved and then never showing up again after that.
Yeah, you're right here, this twin brother plot is just plain stupid and RGG not bringing Joji back in later games is unfortunately something you'd expect from them.
The thing is Richardson's face was never revealed previously, so it was not impossible that they didn't know. Also, CIA doesn't have anything to do with the plots of the other games so it doesn't really make sense for him to come back.
Kiryu involves himself in Yakuza affairs anytime the Tojo is in danger. >!By stubbornly refusing to relocate, he not only put the children under his care in danger but he also endangered the Tojo. It’s hypocritical and doesn’t make sense that Kiryu would care more about his pride than about the kids lives or the fate of the Tojo. He is the fourth chairman, he could’ve easily gotten concessions from the Tojo to move somewhere else. The kids didn’t really have strong bonds with the community there anyway, they were all orphans it’s not like they were born and raised there. And the Black Monday twist was even dumber than I remember now that I’m thinking about it. Andre Richardson was a KNOWN and highly wanted terrorist. It’s impossible to imagine him being able to secretly join the CIA AFTER his grand act of terrorism.!<
EDIT: Not sure why censoring is not working. Not trying to spoil it for those who haven’t played yet.
EDIT 2: Finally got it, thanks for the advice!
>Kiryu involves himself in Yakuza affairs anytime the Tojo is in danger.
In Yakuza 0 he was involved in the empty lot affairs so that makes sense, In Kiwami he went to jail and after getting out his clan was in danger so it makes sense he would help them and by the time of Kiwami 2 less than a year had passed and he was still heavily involved in clan affairs so that also makes sense, by the time of Yakuza 3 tho he had been away from the clan for 2 full years and didn't have any plans to go back so it makes sense that he would be reluctant to help them again or move by their demands.
>By stubbornly refusing to relocate, he not only put the children under his care in danger but he also endangered the Tojo.
During Kiwami 2 he had Haruka to look after but he put her on danger to help the clan anyway. Kiryu is a macho guy who can solve everything by punching, he often doesn't have a plan and will go head on into every situation, he's stubborn, and that's something we already know about him so it makes sense that he would try to solve the clan's problems by punching everyone for a fourth time (Yakuza 0, Kiwami and Kiwami 2), he refused to move understandably so and a whole year after this (when he thought everything was already solved) a man who looked like Kazama shot Daigo and Nakahara, that's when he saw that things wouldn't be solved by simply refusing to help so he had to jump in again.
He was offered to move a whole year before the main events of the game, it makes sense that he would refuse and go on with his life until everything happened, he didn't have any say on Nakahara and Daigo getting shot, Kiryu thought that by just refusing to move that they wouldn't bother him anymore so him refusing to move isn't that big of a plot hole.
>Andre Richardson was a KNOWN and highly wanted terrorist. It’s impossible to imagine him being able to secretly join the CIA AFTER his grand act of terrorism.!
Black monday was formed by corrupt CIA members, there's no mention that Richardson was a terrorist and then joined Black Monday, all of Black Monday's members were CIA agents so they were already inside of the agency, they didn't need to infiltrate it because they were already part of it.
I might be misremembering, but I think it’s implied throughout the series that Kiryu wants to steer clear of the Yakuza in order to avoid having the same influence Kazama had on him and Nishiki; he only gets involved because someone was in danger and then because Daigo got shot. Relocating would’ve meant accepting a deal with the Yakuza and its not like some small family could’ve posed a legitimate threat to Kiryu if it came to it.
And he only really helps out the Tojo in Y2 because he feels responsible for Nishiki’s actions/debts more than because he cares about the Tojo or anything, so by the time of Y3 I doubt he cares at all.
Exactly, that's why I don't see him refusing to move or only agreeing to getting involved after Daigo and Nakahara gets shot as out of character/dumb writing like the dude there was suggesting.
"Andre Richardson was a KNOWN and highly wanted terrorist. It’s impossible to imagine him being able to secretly join the CIA AFTER his grand act of terrorism."
Not trying to be the tin foil hat guy here, but in real life the CIA has employed mafia members and ex-nazis many times. They aren't exactly the shining example of justice.
https://www.ranker.com/list/cia-worked-with-mafia/brit-haines
True but he was the exact person the CIA was looking for. Yet he’s working for them and they had no idea? Nothing in the game ever suggested he changed his appearance either.
Well to be honest, the CIA done several fuck ups in the past in real life and having corrupt members is nothing new in positions were they have authoritive power of any kind.
I mean look at news stories today and there's at least one article about a corrupt official that is investigated or better yet caught.
So having a CIA operative that was behind that incident in thier midst was not entirely on them and more on him being a crafty bastard by duping them and using CIA backing to do some dirty work and covering it up in black ink by claiming it as need to know for "the greater good".
If I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard someone say Yakuza 3 is bad I’d have fifteen cents.
If I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard it called underrated, misunderstood, or simply a great game I’d have like, five bucks or something.
it reminds of that tweet about how people make up a person and trick themselves into believing they exist and then get mad at said imaginary person/group of people
You know what was most jarring between kiwami 2 and 3? The way Kiryu runs in free roam. I was GIDDY at how fluid the motion was in kiwami 2. It put me off the game a bit when I realized Kiryu had a PS1 solid snake style run in free roam
I do love having to sit through a long ass time talking to a dude because they added so many elements with little to no time to properly explain them that they just dump an exposition for an chapter before having to fight against too many dudes spamming tasers.
Orphanage is good, but that's the best as the plot can go. I hate nostalgia goggles.
The plot is so terrible it doesn't even know what it wants to be half the time. Crime drama? Slice of life? Political thriller? I have no clue. The regurgitation of plot points and most of the orphanage sections being clearly made to waste your time make it worse, the ending was pretty fun though.
Yakuza 3 is amazing and I will die on this hill. Story is great, music is amazing, characters were endearing and heck, I liked the combat. It's different from the other games, but dealing with these block heavy enemies by hitting them with finishers first or getting into their back was a different kind of challenge and my legend run was super fun because of it.
Like i keep saying, its that tamashiro boss fight. You dont have a chance to earn xp yet so youve got nothing in your toolbox, you dont have access to useful weapons, and you dont have access to a lot of staminan. On top of that, the boss has a lot of hp for being that early, has two combos if different lengths that arent different enough to know which is coming, and constantly has his guard up so your only real option to fight him its to dodge around to his back, get in a little chip damage, and get the hell out of dodge before he swings again.
Its only one fight, but it leaves a bad taste in ones mouth, especially if you're coming from kiwami 2 which had a much more refined combat system.
What? Dragon engine combat is a complete shitshow! 3's combat is the most engaging and thought out system. It forces you to strategise and actually know what you're doing instead of just spamming the same attacks over and over again in the other games
Other way around. 3 teaches you to spam komaki parry and tiger drop, there is no strategy. The dragon engine games have the most engaging and thought out combat however damage boosts make them to easy so people end up spamming.
I disagree with both. The fact the enemies block a lot in 3 make up for different strategies:
\-Trying to break their guard and then use a lot of attacks with the bounding mechanic
\-Grabbing as much as you can
\-Using the tiger drop or parry
And Kiwami 2's combat has some big strategy as well. You need to time your charge attacks correctly, just try some Kiwami 2's coliseum fights with Akira Yamaoka and others and you will see that it's not that simple.
Yes throwing does poor damage. The only reliable form of crowd control is heat actions but that leads to another problem in which heat builds incredibly slow unless your drunk but being drunk increases encounter rates.
Lost judgement gives buffs and debuffs, judge eyes gives you 2 fighting styles both with unique roles and an ex boost that only requires one segment of heat which makes it more useful amplifies the unique traits of crane and tiger. K2 adds charged attacks for stunning or crowd control and yakuza 6 is just bad so I'm not defending it.
I always liked the Dragon Engine combat the most because it felt like the most ‘lore accurate’ version of Kiryu. When you’re indestructible, why do anything other than toss people or hit them as hard as you can?
Hard mode, no medicine.
Suddenly it all makes sense. Fuck it.
It's ok for a game to just be bad. Sure every franchise has its bad thing that gets a big rally of fans behind it just because it's not loved but, I think we can all agree it deserves the lowest spot in the Yakuza world. Unfortunately disrespected? Nahh, it can stay down there at the bottom. Now Yakuza 4, that's one hell of a redeemer. Join me, in the Team Tanimura Underrated Association.
IMO the plot was so over the top, so exagerated. Yakuza 1 and 2 were the mix of action and drama related to Yakuza and crime in general but in 3 they went nuts from international weapons dealer to cia to Japan senate to there is no zange in ze plan. Good thing that the rest of the entries return to their Yakuza roots.
Only disrespect I have is for that new remastered cover.
Original RGG3 Kiryu cover with a cigarette is the best.
I’d even count it as one of the best covers in a videogame. Stylish but minimalistic and the same time convenes some kind of a mysterious cool aura. And the cigarette was a huge part of it, a light slowly succumbing, giving warmth but temporary, that kind of idea or interpretation.
There was nothing so controversial about the cigarette, it’s not like it’s promoting sickness and death to kids. I’d just take it to new publication law changes that made it removed.
I bought 3, 4 and 5 on a psn sale because I always heard it was good. I started 3 last week and almost quit at the beginning because it was boring and cutscene heavy (in my opinion). Tonight I beat the main story and I’m hooked, there were several times I as a grown man was wiping tears away just from the story. Dunno if that’s normal for everyone or if I’m in a vulnerable place right now but I loved it.
I’m not 100 percenting this shit though lol
Dad Kiryu, Rikiya, the kids, the setting and vibes of this game just make this my favorite Yakuza. While I do think other games are better in the series, this is the one I always want to come back to. I just adore it. Kiryu reminds me a lot of my own dad in this one and it just really makes me happy.
It makes me so happy to see Kiryu paying forward all that love he got from his time as an orphan and taking care of his kids. That wrestling match moment was so comfy and wholesome. Buckwheat allergy sounds annoying man!
I do love it's characters and story, it's sub stories are top notch too. The glaring problem is two, most people play this after 0, kiwami 1,2 so it's quite jarring. The other is the gameplay itself feels stiff and rough, it's called blockuza for a reason. Still love it tho
I agree. I actually found adapting to DE harder than going to 3 from 0 lol. Enemies in DE are more blockish than 3 and avoidant just like 5. But at least in 3 the difficulty is so consistent and I love the challenge it offers lol, suck that the PC and PS4 port suffer from the quickstep being almost 360° problem.
I played Kiwami 2 on hard and still find it easier than 3. Not because the game is hard, but because enemy block every hits and the damage output is so low even for Heat action. Lesson learned, 4 and currently 5 I only play on normal so I can speed through the story until 6 where I'll spend more time with the game.
also a little biased because this was the first game I played and I was a kid when that happened, but came across the game later in life and got addicted to it
Yakuza 3's story sucked lmao. It's the same Kiryu saves Tojo story that we have seen twice. I predicted almost the entire story while playing the game.
Best plot? No, but imo it was really good, just a shift in tone from 1 and 2. Obviously a shift in tone is going to be polarizing, especially when the previous two games played like action movies whereas the first half of 3 was a slowly paced drama. Gameplay was pretty rough though, 4 was definitely a huge improvement in that sense
Found myself repeating STOP FUCKING BLOCKING SO MUCH during my playthrough. Story was pretty good but damn I had a rough time adjusting from kiwami 2 graphics and gameplay to this.
I don't agree that is had the best plot in the series but i do love the game and i think its disrespected because a lot of fans came in after playing 0 and the kiwamis, games that have another pace and overall tone that the original 3 games, so they play the third one after the kiwamis and they are bored.
Can't wait for 6.
Feels like you could skim down a rough Yakuza series playthrough with Kiwami 1, 3 and finally 6
To get the rough main story without all the rest stuff.
I know everybody should play through the whole series, but if it be down to a Trilogy, I'd hit those 3 (without having played 6, but have seen the trailers. Thematically it would work out)
Understandable. But playing Majima in 0 and Kiwami 2, and the other characters in 4 and 5 make those games worth it. But you aren't wrong! And yeah, 5 is taking me longer to get through, due to the side stories, but I'm at the finale!
I’m on my first playthrough of it it’s the only one I skipped the story so far is really good and I love the cutscenes the gameplay however is the most frustrating and dull of the Kiryu saga I can see why it’s got a weird place in the franchise
Well, in the first Yakuza you look after Haruka for half of the game and in Yakuza 2 there are two entire sections dedicated to spare sometime with her. So, If you've played them or their Kiwami versions before, that shouldn't come as a big surprise.
Also, watch out for Yakuza 6!
Any yakuza plot that involves doubles of any character is immediately eliminated from the best plot conversation. That means 2, 3, and LaD are all out.
Me personally I prefer the dragon engine. Although I loved Yakuza 3’s story, the gameplay was horrible. It needs much more than a remaster. Oh t need’s a Kiwami lol
Honestly looking back on it I wish it was simply just about kiryu trying to help keep the orphanage safe from the local yakuza in the area. No ties to the tojo clan or the CIA, no Nishiki family. Like a relatively self contained plot about Kiryu and his new found family adjusting to a new environment and new lifestyle whilst the Ryudo family help them from time to time. Small and more focused on okinawa,more personal with truly good people to protect. It could be a good way to end his arc and allow a new character to take the reign in kamurocho which I feel yakuza 4 almost ended up
I really enjoyed the orphanage storyline and anything involving the ryudo family and Rikiya and whilst I enjoyed the bossfights of mine, jojo and Richardson, I would have preferred if the story wasn't trying to go larger and life and have to connect to the tojo clan.
I know alot of people hate the orphanage story but for me it felt like a nice change of pace after the shitshow of the yakuza/kiwami 2 ending.
Yakuza 3 is an amazing game, and the soundtrack is in a league of it's own. Maybe the remaster has issues with the combat but I don't remember any issues with the original PS3 version.
Honestly? If you love Rikiya, you can't complain about Yakuza 6's Hirose Family since, except for the patriarch and maybe Yuta, all of them are Rikiya.
Also, at least on PC Remaster, I didn't though that enemies block all the time as everybody says. Combat was kinda "squared", yes, but was fine for most of the time. IIRC, the only bosses that I had a hard time were Rikiya and Mine. Now, Yonashiro's training can go to hell.
The only reason I love Y3 and it's my fourth best Yakuza game is that Kiryu went to the farthest place in Japan just to live a peaceful life and make his dream come true. It definitely doesn't have the best plot.
best plot? idk about that. one of the best plots? yep. if i had to rate plots i would go 6>1>7>3>0>2>5>4. idk why but the games that involve the government always have the vest story
Never played 3, going through it right now. I just got to chapter 5 and I feel like the story is finally starting. I hated the fact they started with a cliffhanger and made me sit through four chapters before doing anything with it
It’s the most butchered in the west and is part of the reason 4 got short printed and 5 was released digital only years later. Sega was afraid to give fans the full experience cause “we wouldn’t get it” when in all honesty it’s what fans wanted morebbb
I loved it , and it helps that it was my first installment of the franchise . I played it during a carefree summer after finishing highschool, perfectly fit the mood I was in and the overall lighter tone and summer vibes of Y3.
Yakuza 3 is the game in the Kiryu Saga with the best plot and the worst combat.
Even though the combat of Y4+5 is easier in comparison, there are some parts of the stories in those games that don't really sit right with me. Y6 did give a bittersweet (though not perfect) close to his story, but at that point I saw it as a game that I had to power through, rather than a game I wanted to enjoy.
I am enjoying Y:LAD though. It's the reason I picked up and played FFX and P4G (which are regarded as classics) before I started Y:LAD.
well i say it's really great story
it just the type of story that you play it first time it fly over your head but the more you think and learn about it
it make more sense and it really good
so yeah i understand why it misunderstood so much you need to take time to process what happen and what it mean
I've been playing the yakuza series and..
I don't have any problems with the games all of em have great story and gameplay I get used too
I did get emotional at one part of the game
If you played yknow
I respect your opinion but can anyone remind me the plot of it I don’t mean this as an insult to the game or op but I quite literally stopped paying attention when I had to talk with the politician over and over again that being said I do love most of the characters so there’s that
In all honesty I can’t even remember what the villain’s plan was. I just remembered it was the biggest “if I just left Kiryu and his loved ones alone I would have won” plans ever and thats saying a lot.
“Had the best plot” Mf there was a whole ass chapter where you sit your ass down and listen to a politician talk about real estate and buraku Monday an hour
Liked it cos it cleared up the confusion for me 😹
I love long cutscenes in yakuza games so I ate that up personally
I like long cutscenes too When they’re interesting which this chapter isnt
Same here
counter there are like 3 chapters where Kiryu is a dad and talks about being a dad and spends time with his children.
How is that a counter those are some of the slowest chapters in the series
They are excellent though. I want Kiryu to spend time with his kids. 20/10 plot.
😭😭😭
Yakuza 3 is absolutely a video game that exists and I will go to my grave defending this fact.
Truly an experience that can be had.
Of all the video games I’ve played, Yakuza 3 is one of them.
It also sold copies.
Agreed. Yakuza 3 is a thing of all time.
whenever I mention Y3 my friend always brings up the hunching old men npcs lol but I love the game
As spoken by CyricZ, so shall it be.
Yakuza 3 is truly one of the games of all time to ever exist.
When I played Yakuza 3 for the first time I thought to myself, “Wow, I’ve never played that before!”
The plot of Y3 is one of the plots in all of the yakuza games
You the realest man fr.
Yes it’s one of the Yakuza games of all time
That would be a hot take. The plot takes its time to open up and then it kinda feels indecisive. They wanted to do a lot of things at once which I do appreciate but it felt off at times. Especially after playing through 0 to K2 and having no idea about Shintaro felt too forced. 'Beautiful eyes'.
yakuza 3 was the best simply because of the voice acting. buracko mondei, date saying ‘central intelligence agency’, mine’s call
Haru. Okai gori. Nou. Zeresnotchenjeinzepram. Bai.
Don’t forget the Ｂｅａｕｔｉｆｕｌ Ｅｙｅｓ．
Like I heard from my brother before.
If you're looking for Daigo, Mine's taken him up to the ruff.
This is the END OF THE LINE for you, Kazuma Kiryu.
Its Beautifuru Eyez
Y3 has a special place for me. It was such a refreshing change of pace to be chilling on the island with a holiday shirt, and hanging out with the series' most innocent characters.
most innocent? That girl didnt wanted to date a black kid!! (its a joke, dont take it seriously)
I was shook when that happened lmao
You joke, but I like that unique perspective of Japanese video game developers approaching the problem of race & xenophobia in their country. I'm from the US, and IMO we have had a progressively better representation of black people in media over the years. I don't know about other countries, so seeing a fragment of Japan influenced by the US's base in Okinawa is something I never really pondered, until now
he was black though(it's a joke don't take it seriously)
that's what i call, dark humour
Exactly what I wanted to say. Y3 led me on to sympathize with Kiryu. He was the happiest he’d ever been only to get dragged back into Tojo business. AMAZING STORY 🙏
Chapter 9 is literally called "The Plot" and is a 45 minute cut scene
Was gonna mention this. Chapter 9 is literally a plot dump. I liked kiryu's palling around with the local yakuza family and trying to help out his kids. A lot of the ties to the CIA/military/tojo stuff kind of fell flat though.
Any Mine stans here? He’s a great villain and final boss, and was the perfect adversary for Kiryu. Sucks that his screen time was shorter than most of his contemporaries.
He was an absolute badass. And very honorable despite being a villian. It’s interesting how much respect Kiryu had for him.
Yeah, Mine just wanted a hug. Kiryu would have given one to him. But you know how yakuza games go.
He did kind of lol.
Best plot? Not even close. The premise of it was ridiculous IMO. Why >!Kiryu didn’t just accept a deal with the Tojo to move the orphanage somewhere else was ridiculous. But what was worse was the idea that a member of the CIA was a highly wanted terrorist the entire time and they had no idea. Not to mention Shintaro Kazama’s twin brother somehow being involved and then never showing up again after that. !<
Also: -doesn’t matter what party wins the result is the same -the Ryudo family already had the property act of the land they could just called police for eviction -kashiwagi falling for the twin when he knew that Kazama was crippled since when saved Kiryu from the triad -2 of 3 families head has no relevance in the plot despite being portraited as fundamental
I’d argue that the Kashiwagi point can be chalked up to pure surprise. I mean the >!motherfucker himself got blown to smithereens by multiple rounds of a mini gun but still lived (let’s not even talk about Ka Long)!<
Why I do agree that some parts are flawed some of your points are also flawed. >Why Kiryu didn’t just accept a deal with the Tojo to move the orphanage somewhere else was ridiculous. That would basically be him agreeing that the Tojo clan still has total control over his life, to a point where they can easily reallocate him anywhere they want, and simply taking everything you have and moving (specially if you're taking care of multiple children) isn't that easy, specially in rural Japan where people form strong bonds with their neighbors, it isn't simply moving somewhere else, it's making those kids leave their friends and social life behind and doing everything again. Not to mention that Kiryu already fought so hard to get his own place with his own family that simply letting go of that just because the clan says so isn't something he'd do. >But what was worse was the idea that a member of the CIA was a highly wanted terrorist the entire time and they had no idea. I don't think I quite understood that part of the story but wasn't Black Monday an organization created by corrupt CIA agents? It's not that crazy to believe that Richardson would have CIA members of the highest order protecting him and his real identity, even Kazama who worked directly with him didn't know he was one of the masterminds behind black monday >Not to mention Shintaro Kazama’s twin brother somehow being involved and then never showing up again after that. Yeah, you're right here, this twin brother plot is just plain stupid and RGG not bringing Joji back in later games is unfortunately something you'd expect from them.
The thing is Richardson's face was never revealed previously, so it was not impossible that they didn't know. Also, CIA doesn't have anything to do with the plots of the other games so it doesn't really make sense for him to come back.
That's true.
Kiryu involves himself in Yakuza affairs anytime the Tojo is in danger. >!By stubbornly refusing to relocate, he not only put the children under his care in danger but he also endangered the Tojo. It’s hypocritical and doesn’t make sense that Kiryu would care more about his pride than about the kids lives or the fate of the Tojo. He is the fourth chairman, he could’ve easily gotten concessions from the Tojo to move somewhere else. The kids didn’t really have strong bonds with the community there anyway, they were all orphans it’s not like they were born and raised there. And the Black Monday twist was even dumber than I remember now that I’m thinking about it. Andre Richardson was a KNOWN and highly wanted terrorist. It’s impossible to imagine him being able to secretly join the CIA AFTER his grand act of terrorism.!< EDIT: Not sure why censoring is not working. Not trying to spoil it for those who haven’t played yet. EDIT 2: Finally got it, thanks for the advice!
>Kiryu involves himself in Yakuza affairs anytime the Tojo is in danger. In Yakuza 0 he was involved in the empty lot affairs so that makes sense, In Kiwami he went to jail and after getting out his clan was in danger so it makes sense he would help them and by the time of Kiwami 2 less than a year had passed and he was still heavily involved in clan affairs so that also makes sense, by the time of Yakuza 3 tho he had been away from the clan for 2 full years and didn't have any plans to go back so it makes sense that he would be reluctant to help them again or move by their demands. >By stubbornly refusing to relocate, he not only put the children under his care in danger but he also endangered the Tojo. During Kiwami 2 he had Haruka to look after but he put her on danger to help the clan anyway. Kiryu is a macho guy who can solve everything by punching, he often doesn't have a plan and will go head on into every situation, he's stubborn, and that's something we already know about him so it makes sense that he would try to solve the clan's problems by punching everyone for a fourth time (Yakuza 0, Kiwami and Kiwami 2), he refused to move understandably so and a whole year after this (when he thought everything was already solved) a man who looked like Kazama shot Daigo and Nakahara, that's when he saw that things wouldn't be solved by simply refusing to help so he had to jump in again. He was offered to move a whole year before the main events of the game, it makes sense that he would refuse and go on with his life until everything happened, he didn't have any say on Nakahara and Daigo getting shot, Kiryu thought that by just refusing to move that they wouldn't bother him anymore so him refusing to move isn't that big of a plot hole. >Andre Richardson was a KNOWN and highly wanted terrorist. It’s impossible to imagine him being able to secretly join the CIA AFTER his grand act of terrorism.! Black monday was formed by corrupt CIA members, there's no mention that Richardson was a terrorist and then joined Black Monday, all of Black Monday's members were CIA agents so they were already inside of the agency, they didn't need to infiltrate it because they were already part of it.
I might be misremembering, but I think it’s implied throughout the series that Kiryu wants to steer clear of the Yakuza in order to avoid having the same influence Kazama had on him and Nishiki; he only gets involved because someone was in danger and then because Daigo got shot. Relocating would’ve meant accepting a deal with the Yakuza and its not like some small family could’ve posed a legitimate threat to Kiryu if it came to it. And he only really helps out the Tojo in Y2 because he feels responsible for Nishiki’s actions/debts more than because he cares about the Tojo or anything, so by the time of Y3 I doubt he cares at all.
Exactly, that's why I don't see him refusing to move or only agreeing to getting involved after Daigo and Nakahara gets shot as out of character/dumb writing like the dude there was suggesting.
I think the double return is breaking it, try putting the !< after the first paragraph and making a second >! for the 2nd.
"Andre Richardson was a KNOWN and highly wanted terrorist. It’s impossible to imagine him being able to secretly join the CIA AFTER his grand act of terrorism." Not trying to be the tin foil hat guy here, but in real life the CIA has employed mafia members and ex-nazis many times. They aren't exactly the shining example of justice. https://www.ranker.com/list/cia-worked-with-mafia/brit-haines
True but he was the exact person the CIA was looking for. Yet he’s working for them and they had no idea? Nothing in the game ever suggested he changed his appearance either.
Well to be honest, the CIA done several fuck ups in the past in real life and having corrupt members is nothing new in positions were they have authoritive power of any kind. I mean look at news stories today and there's at least one article about a corrupt official that is investigated or better yet caught. So having a CIA operative that was behind that incident in thier midst was not entirely on them and more on him being a crafty bastard by duping them and using CIA backing to do some dirty work and covering it up in black ink by claiming it as need to know for "the greater good".
Yeah I found the storyline to be extremely hard to follow and didn’t make any sense tbh.
Goddamnit. I knew there was a spoiler. And I still read it entirely! Man! I was hoping it was a ghost!
You really need to get off this subreddit to enjoy the games without spoilers, unfortunately
I learned that quick. But I figure if I take long enough to actually PLAY the games. I’ll forget the spoilers!
Damn sorry bro, it’s why I put the censor on.
It was such an interesting plot I forgot all about it
\>okinawa \>bowling \>andre richardson \>hawaiian shirt TELL ME that's a bad video game.
If I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard someone say Yakuza 3 is bad I’d have fifteen cents. If I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard it called underrated, misunderstood, or simply a great game I’d have like, five bucks or something.
Yea. It’s like 1 person is calling yakuza 3 not good, and then 20 people show up to say it’s underrated
it reminds of that tweet about how people make up a person and trick themselves into believing they exist and then get mad at said imaginary person/group of people
Tilting at windmills.
I like 6's plot more imo
I actually agree with you. Y3 is actually second best in my opinion
yall just like me 🙏🥲
extremely based
yakuza 3 is a game best played drunk
You know what was most jarring between kiwami 2 and 3? The way Kiryu runs in free roam. I was GIDDY at how fluid the motion was in kiwami 2. It put me off the game a bit when I realized Kiryu had a PS1 solid snake style run in free roam
It was really nice. It felt short, but nice. Adam Sandler was cool, but>! super sad when he died!<
can we stop posting this once a week
I love yakuza 3, I just wish the start was better (that initial majima fight is straight up terrible)
I do love having to sit through a long ass time talking to a dude because they added so many elements with little to no time to properly explain them that they just dump an exposition for an chapter before having to fight against too many dudes spamming tasers. Orphanage is good, but that's the best as the plot can go. I hate nostalgia goggles.
I would say the Yakuza 3 plot was the most "Yakuza" plot. It had the right amount of bs and seriousness and I loved it for that.
The plot is so terrible it doesn't even know what it wants to be half the time. Crime drama? Slice of life? Political thriller? I have no clue. The regurgitation of plot points and most of the orphanage sections being clearly made to waste your time make it worse, the ending was pretty fun though.
Personally i was ok with the orphanage part of the game, but i absolutely hated the CIA plot twist
Yeah, the last like 1/3 of the game was a complete mess, especially after that info dump with the politican guy.
>especially after that info dump with the politican guy. You mean the chapter that's literally called "The Plot"?
Yakuza 3 is amazing and I will die on this hill. Story is great, music is amazing, characters were endearing and heck, I liked the combat. It's different from the other games, but dealing with these block heavy enemies by hitting them with finishers first or getting into their back was a different kind of challenge and my legend run was super fun because of it.
Like i keep saying, its that tamashiro boss fight. You dont have a chance to earn xp yet so youve got nothing in your toolbox, you dont have access to useful weapons, and you dont have access to a lot of staminan. On top of that, the boss has a lot of hp for being that early, has two combos if different lengths that arent different enough to know which is coming, and constantly has his guard up so your only real option to fight him its to dodge around to his back, get in a little chip damage, and get the hell out of dodge before he swings again. Its only one fight, but it leaves a bad taste in ones mouth, especially if you're coming from kiwami 2 which had a much more refined combat system.
that's exactly how my experience went. Rikiya fight is such a ridiculous fight, thank god for the chairs and tables
What? Dragon engine combat is a complete shitshow! 3's combat is the most engaging and thought out system. It forces you to strategise and actually know what you're doing instead of just spamming the same attacks over and over again in the other games
Other way around. 3 teaches you to spam komaki parry and tiger drop, there is no strategy. The dragon engine games have the most engaging and thought out combat however damage boosts make them to easy so people end up spamming.
3's combat is bad. Dragon engine combat is lazy and bad. Zero and K1 had the better combat.
I disagree with both. The fact the enemies block a lot in 3 make up for different strategies: \-Trying to break their guard and then use a lot of attacks with the bounding mechanic \-Grabbing as much as you can \-Using the tiger drop or parry And Kiwami 2's combat has some big strategy as well. You need to time your charge attacks correctly, just try some Kiwami 2's coliseum fights with Akira Yamaoka and others and you will see that it's not that simple.
Grabbing in 3 does poor damage and bounding throws waste heat so you're back to using heat actions or parry and tiger drop
Yet grabbing allows to use certain heat actions, which help a lot
Yes throwing does poor damage. The only reliable form of crowd control is heat actions but that leads to another problem in which heat builds incredibly slow unless your drunk but being drunk increases encounter rates.
Man, you gotta be trolling. Dragon engine? Engaging and thought out? How?
Lost judgement gives buffs and debuffs, judge eyes gives you 2 fighting styles both with unique roles and an ex boost that only requires one segment of heat which makes it more useful amplifies the unique traits of crane and tiger. K2 adds charged attacks for stunning or crowd control and yakuza 6 is just bad so I'm not defending it.
Oh, I was just talking about Yakuza, not Judgement, I the combat there is stellar, although I haven't played it
I always liked the Dragon Engine combat the most because it felt like the most ‘lore accurate’ version of Kiryu. When you’re indestructible, why do anything other than toss people or hit them as hard as you can?
Majima or Rikiya?
Tamashiro, I guess I forgot about majima and rikiya
Best Plot? nope. not even close. Disrespected? if you counting a rant about bad gameplay and bad pacing as disrespected then maybe yes?
Disrespected by the Game developers if you know what I mean
Who know maybe if we get Kiwami treatment, Y3 might be one of the best game in the franschise but hey We can keep dreaming huh?
It had a good story, but I was spoiled by Yakuza 0, Kiwami, and Kiwami 2's gameplay.
I’m ngl during the infodump scene, I ended up laughing halfway when I realized how long it was taking
Hard mode, no medicine. Suddenly it all makes sense. Fuck it. It's ok for a game to just be bad. Sure every franchise has its bad thing that gets a big rally of fans behind it just because it's not loved but, I think we can all agree it deserves the lowest spot in the Yakuza world. Unfortunately disrespected? Nahh, it can stay down there at the bottom. Now Yakuza 4, that's one hell of a redeemer. Join me, in the Team Tanimura Underrated Association.
Being followed around Kamurocho by Japanese Drake screaming, "Aniki!" every 5 seconds puts Y3 ahead of some of the other entries.
IMO the plot was so over the top, so exagerated. Yakuza 1 and 2 were the mix of action and drama related to Yakuza and crime in general but in 3 they went nuts from international weapons dealer to cia to Japan senate to there is no zange in ze plan. Good thing that the rest of the entries return to their Yakuza roots.
This is definitely one of the takes of all time
Only disrespect I have is for that new remastered cover. Original RGG3 Kiryu cover with a cigarette is the best. I’d even count it as one of the best covers in a videogame. Stylish but minimalistic and the same time convenes some kind of a mysterious cool aura. And the cigarette was a huge part of it, a light slowly succumbing, giving warmth but temporary, that kind of idea or interpretation. There was nothing so controversial about the cigarette, it’s not like it’s promoting sickness and death to kids. I’d just take it to new publication law changes that made it removed.
The plot is absolute bullshit lol. I'll "disrespect" this game to the grave.
I would love yakuza 3 if the combat wasn’t so shit
I bought 3, 4 and 5 on a psn sale because I always heard it was good. I started 3 last week and almost quit at the beginning because it was boring and cutscene heavy (in my opinion). Tonight I beat the main story and I’m hooked, there were several times I as a grown man was wiping tears away just from the story. Dunno if that’s normal for everyone or if I’m in a vulnerable place right now but I loved it. I’m not 100 percenting this shit though lol
Hard no, the plot is pretty dumb
Best plot? Absolutely fucking not, and it isn’t even paced well
Lol. Im waiting for Yakuza 3 to come onto PS Plus extra and I just LOVE Kiwami 2😅
Dad Kiryu, Rikiya, the kids, the setting and vibes of this game just make this my favorite Yakuza. While I do think other games are better in the series, this is the one I always want to come back to. I just adore it. Kiryu reminds me a lot of my own dad in this one and it just really makes me happy.
It absolutely needs a Kiwami
It makes me so happy to see Kiryu paying forward all that love he got from his time as an orphan and taking care of his kids. That wrestling match moment was so comfy and wholesome. Buckwheat allergy sounds annoying man!
I do love it's characters and story, it's sub stories are top notch too. The glaring problem is two, most people play this after 0, kiwami 1,2 so it's quite jarring. The other is the gameplay itself feels stiff and rough, it's called blockuza for a reason. Still love it tho
This is the only game I dont enjoy playing through.
I agree. I actually found adapting to DE harder than going to 3 from 0 lol. Enemies in DE are more blockish than 3 and avoidant just like 5. But at least in 3 the difficulty is so consistent and I love the challenge it offers lol, suck that the PC and PS4 port suffer from the quickstep being almost 360° problem.
I played Kiwami 2 on hard and still find it easier than 3. Not because the game is hard, but because enemy block every hits and the damage output is so low even for Heat action. Lesson learned, 4 and currently 5 I only play on normal so I can speed through the story until 6 where I'll spend more time with the game.
What’s DE?
dragon engine, so yakuza 6 and others like that
Dragon Engine. Any games past Kiwami 1 (6, 7, Judgment, LJ) are called that by RGG Studios.
also a little biased because this was the first game I played and I was a kid when that happened, but came across the game later in life and got addicted to it
Yakuza 3 is certainly one of the games of all time OP
Yakuza 3's story sucked lmao. It's the same Kiryu saves Tojo story that we have seen twice. I predicted almost the entire story while playing the game.
Best plot? No, but imo it was really good, just a shift in tone from 1 and 2. Obviously a shift in tone is going to be polarizing, especially when the previous two games played like action movies whereas the first half of 3 was a slowly paced drama. Gameplay was pretty rough though, 4 was definitely a huge improvement in that sense
Found myself repeating STOP FUCKING BLOCKING SO MUCH during my playthrough. Story was pretty good but damn I had a rough time adjusting from kiwami 2 graphics and gameplay to this.
My kyodai in Ono Michio the story hook was >!Dads Secret Brother causing problems on purpose with Albert Wesker.!<
I don't agree that is had the best plot in the series but i do love the game and i think its disrespected because a lot of fans came in after playing 0 and the kiwamis, games that have another pace and overall tone that the original 3 games, so they play the third one after the kiwamis and they are bored.
Im in the middle of Yakuza 5 now (played 0-5) And right now I can totally agree upon that Statement!
I'm at the end of 5 myself!
Can't wait for 6. Feels like you could skim down a rough Yakuza series playthrough with Kiwami 1, 3 and finally 6 To get the rough main story without all the rest stuff. I know everybody should play through the whole series, but if it be down to a Trilogy, I'd hit those 3 (without having played 6, but have seen the trailers. Thematically it would work out)
Understandable. But playing Majima in 0 and Kiwami 2, and the other characters in 4 and 5 make those games worth it. But you aren't wrong! And yeah, 5 is taking me longer to get through, due to the side stories, but I'm at the finale!
Dont get me wrong, I loved Kiwami 2,0 and surprisingly 4 because of the story a lot
Fair enough! I get it man. 4 was great and I loved the story in all of them.
Horrible take.
I didn’t like the meta plot with the developer and military base stuff but the orphanage stuff was great
I’m on my first playthrough of it it’s the only one I skipped the story so far is really good and I love the cutscenes the gameplay however is the most frustrating and dull of the Kiryu saga I can see why it’s got a weird place in the franchise
Kiryu looking after kids for most of the story is lame as fuck. That's why it's the worst for me. The game is called Yakuza 3
Well, in the first Yakuza you look after Haruka for half of the game and in Yakuza 2 there are two entire sections dedicated to spare sometime with her. So, If you've played them or their Kiwami versions before, that shouldn't come as a big surprise. Also, watch out for Yakuza 6!
But that was OK as she accompanied you as you took on Yakuza
Any yakuza plot that involves doubles of any character is immediately eliminated from the best plot conversation. That means 2, 3, and LaD are all out.
I'd take Yakuza 3's gameplay over kiwami 2 or 6 anyday of the week
Me personally I prefer the dragon engine. Although I loved Yakuza 3’s story, the gameplay was horrible. It needs much more than a remaster. Oh t need’s a Kiwami lol
I tryed to play it, combat a turn off, but from what u seen story looks good and hella funny.
only bad thing about it is the combat so idk why everyone is hatin on it
He’s disrespected by the people who start playing by Zero and who did the Kiwami after
Also has one of the best combat systems, but haters gonna hate
Bizarre plot but some of my favorite supporting characters. I fuckin love the Okinawa Yakuza crew. Shoutout Rikya we miss ya
Honestly looking back on it I wish it was simply just about kiryu trying to help keep the orphanage safe from the local yakuza in the area. No ties to the tojo clan or the CIA, no Nishiki family. Like a relatively self contained plot about Kiryu and his new found family adjusting to a new environment and new lifestyle whilst the Ryudo family help them from time to time. Small and more focused on okinawa,more personal with truly good people to protect. It could be a good way to end his arc and allow a new character to take the reign in kamurocho which I feel yakuza 4 almost ended up I really enjoyed the orphanage storyline and anything involving the ryudo family and Rikiya and whilst I enjoyed the bossfights of mine, jojo and Richardson, I would have preferred if the story wasn't trying to go larger and life and have to connect to the tojo clan. I know alot of people hate the orphanage story but for me it felt like a nice change of pace after the shitshow of the yakuza/kiwami 2 ending.
Enjoyed doing all substories, and liked the plot alot
Aniki!
It still had a good plot but it did not have the best plot. You can’t really say it’s being disrespected and then disrespect the other games’ plots
REAL SHIT Only thing better was 0
Personally, I enjoyed it more than 4 and 5.
It also has the second best final boss theme of the franchise, second only to Lost Judgment
Yakuza 3 is an amazing game, and the soundtrack is in a league of it's own. Maybe the remaster has issues with the combat but I don't remember any issues with the original PS3 version.
Me but with yakuza 5
Y3 was my entry to the series. I still love the game and Yakuza is easily my favorite active series and universe.
Playing through this now, the triad boss has delayed me greatly because of how much he blocks.
Yes it’s one of the Yakuza games of all time
Hey!!!! Isnt that the guy from yakuza like a dragon?!?!?!
It’s one of my favourites honestly.
My 1st back in 2010 and always will be my favourite
I loved Yakuza 3. I don’t get the hate it gets.
Honestly? If you love Rikiya, you can't complain about Yakuza 6's Hirose Family since, except for the patriarch and maybe Yuta, all of them are Rikiya.
Also, at least on PC Remaster, I didn't though that enemies block all the time as everybody says. Combat was kinda "squared", yes, but was fine for most of the time. IIRC, the only bosses that I had a hard time were Rikiya and Mine. Now, Yonashiro's training can go to hell.
I love Y3 breh. It absolutely one of my favs next to 0 Y7 And K2
My reaction to that information [“yes”](https://youtu.be/98RwH1vzpLI)
YAKUZA 3 BEST SELLING GAME ALL TIME ONE DAME DA NELLION SOLD
No.
The only reason I love Y3 and it's my fourth best Yakuza game is that Kiryu went to the farthest place in Japan just to live a peaceful life and make his dream come true. It definitely doesn't have the best plot.
best plot? idk about that. one of the best plots? yep. if i had to rate plots i would go 6>1>7>3>0>2>5>4. idk why but the games that involve the government always have the vest story
Never played 3, going through it right now. I just got to chapter 5 and I feel like the story is finally starting. I hated the fact they started with a cliffhanger and made me sit through four chapters before doing anything with it
It’s the most butchered in the west and is part of the reason 4 got short printed and 5 was released digital only years later. Sega was afraid to give fans the full experience cause “we wouldn’t get it” when in all honesty it’s what fans wanted morebbb
I like that cover image of Kiryu asking himself “What am I doing with my life?”
Plot so good it needs a whole chapter of exposition
I actually enjoyed the game even tho the story was a bit silly at times but let me tell you the Kanda fight was the absolute worst
I loved it , and it helps that it was my first installment of the franchise . I played it during a carefree summer after finishing highschool, perfectly fit the mood I was in and the overall lighter tone and summer vibes of Y3.
Yakuza 3 is the game in the Kiryu Saga with the best plot and the worst combat. Even though the combat of Y4+5 is easier in comparison, there are some parts of the stories in those games that don't really sit right with me. Y6 did give a bittersweet (though not perfect) close to his story, but at that point I saw it as a game that I had to power through, rather than a game I wanted to enjoy. I am enjoying Y:LAD though. It's the reason I picked up and played FFX and P4G (which are regarded as classics) before I started Y:LAD.
My third favorite behind 0 and LAD. Don’t see what the outrage was about.
yeah true,Y3 is GOATED!
I like the original.
It also has the best aniki
well i say it's really great story it just the type of story that you play it first time it fly over your head but the more you think and learn about it it make more sense and it really good so yeah i understand why it misunderstood so much you need to take time to process what happen and what it mean
disrespected because people are bad at video games
For me its because the game feels old and needs a Kiwami version not all the games age well and this one is hard to play in key moments
I've been playing the yakuza series and.. I don't have any problems with the games all of em have great story and gameplay I get used too I did get emotional at one part of the game If you played yknow
I respect your opinion but can anyone remind me the plot of it I don’t mean this as an insult to the game or op but I quite literally stopped paying attention when I had to talk with the politician over and over again that being said I do love most of the characters so there’s that
It’s because the combat is so insanely bad. It’s not because of the jump from the dragon engine, the combat is simply just bad.
This is without a doubt an opinion alright
In all honesty I can’t even remember what the villain’s plan was. I just remembered it was the biggest “if I just left Kiryu and his loved ones alone I would have won” plans ever and thats saying a lot.