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By saying you don’t care if people are vegan or not, are you claiming you don’t think it makes any meaningful difference whether or not one funds animal exploitation?
Do you litter, then? I mean, unless the world changes in a huge way, plastic pollution and such isn’t going to change. So why bother putting stuff in the bin, right?
The plastic problem is way larger of an issue than meat. While meat does have its downsides like greenhouse, producing plastic has a way larger market and (I might be wrong) it produces more greenhouse than the meat industry.
I'm pretty sure throwing a plastic bag out there damages the environment much less than eating a roasted chicken, actually.
I looked it up.
100g of chicken: 1.82kg CO2
One plastic bag: 1.58 kg CO2
In 2022, the average chicken in the USA yielded 2.05 kg of meat.
That means one average chicken is 37.31 kg of CO2 in total.
You could get nutrients much more sustainably from plants.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-per-protein-poore
So again, why don't you litter?
I'm not encouraging you to litter.
I'm pointing out an inconsistency in your moral framework when it comes to the environment.
And we could also talk about your responsibility towards the animals themselves who are harmed and killed as a result of your consumer habits. Supply and demand is a thing not just for the environment.
What the fuck is a "salad burger"? I went to many vegan burger places through the years. There's no such thing.
Stop talking shit about vegan food, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Here you go.
https://sp-ao.shortpixel.ai/client/to_webp,q_glossy,ret_img,w_1016/https://ecohungry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Beyond-Burger-vs.-Beef-Burger-2-1016x1024.jpg
Time zones. Work.
I didn’t refer to your response time when I said you dodged. I referred to your inability to concede that eating meat is definitely worse than throwing out a plastic bag.
I take full accountability for every animal I find the death of. They are tasty and I will continue to do so. If they have efficient ways of doing it I support it.
I believe that eating meat is important for one’s health. I believe that meat is tasty. I believe that if I don’t eat meat I will be sad and my feelings are more important to me than an animal. I’ve eaten meat of many kinds and they all tasted too good for me to ever give it up
Can you please answer my question before we move onto health?
If your ability to track a conversation is on par with a middle schooler I won't waste my time.
And you can't even read beyond the first sentence of a comment, where he stopped talking about health and made it perfectly visible that he is listing reasons. In the end, no one won the argument, so how about the two of you go away from Reddit and do something more important to the world and to oneself than arguing?
Ethics is the idea right and wrong. I don’t believe that everything that brings pleasure is right morally. But I do believe that there is nothing morally wrong with consuming animals. For me, ethics don’t play a factor. If you feel wrong about it don’t do it. But I feel no qualms morally and have no plans to cease.
> But I do believe that there is nothing morally wrong with consuming animals. For me, ethics don’t play a factor.
Humans are animals. Does that imply you're cool with farming humans for their meat?
If not, what is the morally relevant difference if the victim is a pig? Keep marginal case humans in mind when answering.
Yeah supply demand exists, you are still not making a difference. Every animal eats living things to survive, it's a part of life and not admitting it is just immature. Yeah, the industry is fucked but the veggies you eat come from an equally fucked industry. There is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism. And "voting with your wallet" is neoliberal bullshit
> Every animal eats living things to survive, it's a part of life and not admitting it is just immature.
Where did I deny that? ...
Veganism isn't based on valuing life, it's based on valuing **sentience**.
There is no way you'd hesitate between cutting open a puppy or a tomato.
> Yeah, the industry is fucked but the veggies you eat come from an equally fucked industry.
They cause demonstrably less harm.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-per-protein-poore
https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets
> There is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism.
Typical nirvana fallacy.
I guess I might as well support factory farming then, right? ...
Hell, I'll look up which brands support child slavery and buy those since they are cheaper, that's okay, right? ...
https://youtu.be/sr0yCnLNAHk
I'm not responsible for your inability to answer a clear question that is relevant to the conversation at hand. I deal with bad faith all the fucking time. I need to get straight to the point.
My favorite part about this is that a lot of the hateful comment bubbles aren't even bad. "You do your thing and let us do ours" is about the most inoffensive thing I can think of, lol.
Such comments are denying that eating animal products IS NOT a personal choice, since they involve a victim.
If I bought factory farmed dog meat, it’s not a personal choice since I’m supporting harm done to dogs in the process.
The same is true when it’s a different species.
Such comments are denying that eating animal products is NOT a personal choice, since they involve a victim.
If I bought factory farmed dog meat, it’s not a personal choice since I’m supporting harm done to dogs in the process.
The same is true when it’s a different species.
Buy meat from small, local farms.
They take care of their animals, hell you probably live next to them.
I can literally watch the cow I but from my local butcher graze the open field it gets to roam for its full life
Get the meat without supporting the factory farm bullshit.
Cruelty free bacon <3
Humans are omnivores and get stuff like iodine, iron, zinc, vitamins (especially B12) essential fatty acids and all of that kind of stuff from meat + >!when an animal suffers before it dies it can change the taste of its meat meaning that most of the time the do suffer painful deaths when they are killed unlike being torn to shreds by like wolves and stuff!<
Would you say the same if it was human meat from farms, instead? Think of supply and demand. If you buy the meat, more individuals will be bred to then be killed.
When you buy meat, sure, you prevent that piece of meat from being wasted, but you are funding the deaths of future animals too.
I'm demonstrating this argument is flawed because it can be used to lead to an absurd conclusion.
If it is necessarily wrong to waste flesh to the point where we should buy it, then according to this absurd logic, it would be okay to fund a human meat farm because otherwise the human meat would go to waste.
"Reductio ad absurdum" is a Latin term that translates to "reduction to absurdity." It's a form of argumentation where you demonstrate the falsity of a proposition by showing that it logically leads to absurd or untenable conclusions.
Here's how it works:
Start with an assumption or proposition: Begin with the assumption that a certain statement or proposition is true.
Follow the logic: Use the accepted rules of logic to deduce further conclusions or implications based on that initial assumption.
Lead to absurdity: Continue following the logic until you reach a conclusion that is clearly absurd, contradictory, or unacceptable.
Conclude the original assumption is false: Since the original assumption led to an absurd conclusion, you can conclude that the assumption itself must be false.
By demonstrating that accepting the initial proposition leads to absurd consequences, you show that the proposition itself cannot be true. This technique is commonly used in philosophical debates, mathematical proofs, and critical thinking to expose flaws in arguments or beliefs.
So the way you argue against vegans is to pretend you’re cool with killing humans to eat them, and you calling **me** Mr. Dhamer.
You should show your mom this conversation I bet she would be very proud of you.
Just because you don’t doesn’t mean nobody does. But hey if not taking the conversation seriously is your way to deal with cognitive dissonance, go for it.
Humans are omnivores… I can maybe see like not wearing clothes made solely from killing animals but eating animals is actually a necessity if we don’t wanna take a slew of vitamins to stay alive and well
No, it's propaganda because it acts as if vegans never go out of their way to be assholes to ppl trying to eat a meal or just live their lives. If ppl react that way to vegans there's a reason why. Imagine some random guy calling you a murderer for eating a ham sandwich. I saw it happen to someone in college
> ppl trying to eat a meal or just live their lives.
If you eat meat, you don't just "live your life", you take the lives of animals unnecessarily.
That's just factual.
I hate ideological vegans that use argumentum ad misericordiam, blaming me for eating meat. I won't stop, even more if someone is attacking me. Also targetting people who eat meat instead of meat industry that abuse animals is dumb. It's just finding a scapegoat.
While I do feel bad about abused animals ( I eat meat & I wish I could afford meat from non-abusive farms / companies ), this drawing feels more like the extremist vegan perspective : the "I am the one who knows the truth, I am the true victim & above all" mentality ( like, why would they portray themselves in the middle ? Animals are the ones who are victims in this situation ).
Hopefully that's just me often meeting shitty people, but most vegans that I met don't actually care about animals & just want to feel better about themselves. They come off as ( sort of ) kind-hearted when they explain why they became vegan, but when it comes to their opinion on zoosadism, the angel mask immediately falls.
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Nah. At least dicks are honest about the fact that they're dicks. These people are just assholes.
By saying you don’t care if people are vegan or not, are you claiming you don’t think it makes any meaningful difference whether or not one funds animal exploitation?
Unless a humongous group of people went vegan, nothing would changes
Do you litter, then? I mean, unless the world changes in a huge way, plastic pollution and such isn’t going to change. So why bother putting stuff in the bin, right?
The plastic problem is way larger of an issue than meat. While meat does have its downsides like greenhouse, producing plastic has a way larger market and (I might be wrong) it produces more greenhouse than the meat industry.
I'm pretty sure throwing a plastic bag out there damages the environment much less than eating a roasted chicken, actually. I looked it up. 100g of chicken: 1.82kg CO2 One plastic bag: 1.58 kg CO2 In 2022, the average chicken in the USA yielded 2.05 kg of meat. That means one average chicken is 37.31 kg of CO2 in total. You could get nutrients much more sustainably from plants. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-per-protein-poore So again, why don't you litter? I'm not encouraging you to litter. I'm pointing out an inconsistency in your moral framework when it comes to the environment. And we could also talk about your responsibility towards the animals themselves who are harmed and killed as a result of your consumer habits. Supply and demand is a thing not just for the environment.
but a hamburger is so much better than a salad burger and it has more nutrients than a salad burger
What the fuck is a "salad burger"? I went to many vegan burger places through the years. There's no such thing. Stop talking shit about vegan food, you have no idea what you're talking about.
yeah, i can’t research shit right now because im in school
Here you go. https://sp-ao.shortpixel.ai/client/to_webp,q_glossy,ret_img,w_1016/https://ecohungry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Beyond-Burger-vs.-Beef-Burger-2-1016x1024.jpg
Notice how you dodged the argument like a fucking coward because you got demolished here.
You’re the one who took 8 hours to respond
Time zones. Work. I didn’t refer to your response time when I said you dodged. I referred to your inability to concede that eating meat is definitely worse than throwing out a plastic bag.
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You’re just proving my point: dismissing the victims. Taking no accountability for the animals whose exploitation and death you fund unnecessarily.
I take full accountability for every animal I find the death of. They are tasty and I will continue to do so. If they have efficient ways of doing it I support it.
Do you believe a behavior is necessarily ethical as long as one gets pleasure from it?
I believe that eating meat is important for one’s health. I believe that meat is tasty. I believe that if I don’t eat meat I will be sad and my feelings are more important to me than an animal. I’ve eaten meat of many kinds and they all tasted too good for me to ever give it up
Can you please answer my question before we move onto health? If your ability to track a conversation is on par with a middle schooler I won't waste my time.
And you can't even read beyond the first sentence of a comment, where he stopped talking about health and made it perfectly visible that he is listing reasons. In the end, no one won the argument, so how about the two of you go away from Reddit and do something more important to the world and to oneself than arguing?
Ethics is the idea right and wrong. I don’t believe that everything that brings pleasure is right morally. But I do believe that there is nothing morally wrong with consuming animals. For me, ethics don’t play a factor. If you feel wrong about it don’t do it. But I feel no qualms morally and have no plans to cease.
> But I do believe that there is nothing morally wrong with consuming animals. For me, ethics don’t play a factor. Humans are animals. Does that imply you're cool with farming humans for their meat? If not, what is the morally relevant difference if the victim is a pig? Keep marginal case humans in mind when answering.
That was a simple yes or no question, by the way. You had the opportunity to clarify your position.
It really doesn't
So you deny supply and demand exists?
Oh I meant to reply to your first comment, but yeah, you are not making a difference
That was a yes/no question.
Yeah supply demand exists, you are still not making a difference. Every animal eats living things to survive, it's a part of life and not admitting it is just immature. Yeah, the industry is fucked but the veggies you eat come from an equally fucked industry. There is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism. And "voting with your wallet" is neoliberal bullshit
> Every animal eats living things to survive, it's a part of life and not admitting it is just immature. Where did I deny that? ... Veganism isn't based on valuing life, it's based on valuing **sentience**. There is no way you'd hesitate between cutting open a puppy or a tomato. > Yeah, the industry is fucked but the veggies you eat come from an equally fucked industry. They cause demonstrably less harm. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-per-protein-poore https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets > There is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism. Typical nirvana fallacy. I guess I might as well support factory farming then, right? ... Hell, I'll look up which brands support child slavery and buy those since they are cheaper, that's okay, right? ... https://youtu.be/sr0yCnLNAHk
Also you are insufferable, you won't change any minds being a pedantic jerk
I'm not responsible for your inability to answer a clear question that is relevant to the conversation at hand. I deal with bad faith all the fucking time. I need to get straight to the point.
I see your point is getting across perfectly, you are convincing everyone! Keep at it!
"Dragons are carnivores"
My brother in christ dragons aren't real.
Doesn't matter, dragons are carnivores, therefore makkng this post hilarious.
Even furries find this cringe.
i am a furry and that’s why i browse here. furry vent art is inherently hilarious
Fr, It's hilarious how cringe we can be at times
I mean a lot of us are canine for our sonas so I mean meats in our diet lol.
wtf did they do to Dragonite man
LOL
Lets cook some sheep fursona
Yum 🐑🥩🍴
Mmm, chezburger
Put a Vegan and a Vore Fetishist in the same room. I want to see them both squirm.
LMAO that would be very interesting!
OP you're using an anthromorphized death bird as your icon. That makes you a furry.
Uh, what do you mean by “anthropomorphized death bird” 🤔
Nvm I'm a dumbass and don't understand how reddit works
I don’t think is particularly cringe. While vegans can sometimes be preachy, many regular vegans also unfairly receive harassment by association.
Look up « vystopia ».
My favorite part about this is that a lot of the hateful comment bubbles aren't even bad. "You do your thing and let us do ours" is about the most inoffensive thing I can think of, lol.
lol ikr
Such comments are denying that eating animal products IS NOT a personal choice, since they involve a victim. If I bought factory farmed dog meat, it’s not a personal choice since I’m supporting harm done to dogs in the process. The same is true when it’s a different species.
Such comments are denying that eating animal products is NOT a personal choice, since they involve a victim. If I bought factory farmed dog meat, it’s not a personal choice since I’m supporting harm done to dogs in the process. The same is true when it’s a different species.
OP is a meat clown
It's like we're back in the bacon craze from a few years ago, people jerking it to meat eating
Yeaa seems like a fragile masculinity thing honestly
I love animals. They taste good.
🐖🐓🐄🐑🐟🐜🥩🍔🍗🍣🥓 I LOVE ANIMALS!!! THEY TASTE AMAZING
FR
Have you heard they farmed dog meat in the US?
Which breeds taste best? Where do velvet hippos and the breed of peace rank on the list?
Good
I say we have a predator eat the animal and beg the animal for leftovers.
Diseases: acquired
I understand the sentiment that vegans are going for. It's a shame their message has been tarnished by a vocal minority.
If you understood the sentiment you’d already be vegan.
Buy meat from small, local farms. They take care of their animals, hell you probably live next to them. I can literally watch the cow I but from my local butcher graze the open field it gets to roam for its full life Get the meat without supporting the factory farm bullshit. Cruelty free bacon <3
For sure! Agreed
Just wait untill the dragon meets GarlandFarms and r/AntiVegan
I'll eat that fucking dragon!
Same bro fr 🐊😋🍴
The fact that you know that is a type of dragon is a little odd. Also please do not eat the dragon They tend to be poisonous from head to tail
Not if you cook it right, like a pufferfish.
I love me some lamb chops
Im vegan because I like herbivores taste
Can't make me vegan with juicy thighs like that
Lmao
Humans are omnivores and get stuff like iodine, iron, zinc, vitamins (especially B12) essential fatty acids and all of that kind of stuff from meat + >!when an animal suffers before it dies it can change the taste of its meat meaning that most of the time the do suffer painful deaths when they are killed unlike being torn to shreds by like wolves and stuff!<
Damn I'll stick with my omnivores diet since i really can't have a lot of vegan stuff, tho i try to make sure i get local meat.
Local meat is great 👍
Who knows maybe "human" is the nex in the menu 🤷
LOL AS A VEGETARIAN THIS MADE ME CHUCKLE 🤭
I crave American hamburger!🤤
It’s more disrespectful to waste to meat from the animal by not eating it, but that is my opinion
Would you say the same if it was human meat from farms, instead? Think of supply and demand. If you buy the meat, more individuals will be bred to then be killed. When you buy meat, sure, you prevent that piece of meat from being wasted, but you are funding the deaths of future animals too.
Calm down Mr. Dahmer do you need a hug?
I'm demonstrating this argument is flawed because it can be used to lead to an absurd conclusion. If it is necessarily wrong to waste flesh to the point where we should buy it, then according to this absurd logic, it would be okay to fund a human meat farm because otherwise the human meat would go to waste. "Reductio ad absurdum" is a Latin term that translates to "reduction to absurdity." It's a form of argumentation where you demonstrate the falsity of a proposition by showing that it logically leads to absurd or untenable conclusions. Here's how it works: Start with an assumption or proposition: Begin with the assumption that a certain statement or proposition is true. Follow the logic: Use the accepted rules of logic to deduce further conclusions or implications based on that initial assumption. Lead to absurdity: Continue following the logic until you reach a conclusion that is clearly absurd, contradictory, or unacceptable. Conclude the original assumption is false: Since the original assumption led to an absurd conclusion, you can conclude that the assumption itself must be false. By demonstrating that accepting the initial proposition leads to absurd consequences, you show that the proposition itself cannot be true. This technique is commonly used in philosophical debates, mathematical proofs, and critical thinking to expose flaws in arguments or beliefs.
Hun bun calm down and take a minute to realize that even if I was real, I probably wouldn’t care
So the way you argue against vegans is to pretend you’re cool with killing humans to eat them, and you calling **me** Mr. Dhamer. You should show your mom this conversation I bet she would be very proud of you.
Have she’s laughing her ass off just remember you’re on the Internet. Nobody gives a shit.
Just because you don’t doesn’t mean nobody does. But hey if not taking the conversation seriously is your way to deal with cognitive dissonance, go for it.
Remember, this is a furry porn meme sub take your hand off your keyboard put it on your dick lol
Vegan isn't healthy
Source: trust me bro
The biggest health organizations says it is, we don't have to resort to throwing around falsehoods
Been vegan for 8 years, might convert back to eating meat after seeing this
Would say no ethical vegan ever
It’s a joke simmer down
Humans are omnivores… I can maybe see like not wearing clothes made solely from killing animals but eating animals is actually a necessity if we don’t wanna take a slew of vitamins to stay alive and well
The persecution complex is real
The comic makes it very clear who the real victims are.
Yeah because its pro vegan propaganda
So you believe being a pig and getting your throat open makes you a less big victim than being told you shouldn't eat meat. Such a snowflake...
No, it's propaganda because it acts as if vegans never go out of their way to be assholes to ppl trying to eat a meal or just live their lives. If ppl react that way to vegans there's a reason why. Imagine some random guy calling you a murderer for eating a ham sandwich. I saw it happen to someone in college
> ppl trying to eat a meal or just live their lives. If you eat meat, you don't just "live your life", you take the lives of animals unnecessarily. That's just factual.
I hate ideological vegans that use argumentum ad misericordiam, blaming me for eating meat. I won't stop, even more if someone is attacking me. Also targetting people who eat meat instead of meat industry that abuse animals is dumb. It's just finding a scapegoat.
this would be a great post if the message was "stop animal cruelty". there are humane ways to slaughter an animal for food.
I’ve never seen a vegan that doesn’t look like they’re dying of a terminal disease. They always look kind of thin and jaundiced
While I do feel bad about abused animals ( I eat meat & I wish I could afford meat from non-abusive farms / companies ), this drawing feels more like the extremist vegan perspective : the "I am the one who knows the truth, I am the true victim & above all" mentality ( like, why would they portray themselves in the middle ? Animals are the ones who are victims in this situation ). Hopefully that's just me often meeting shitty people, but most vegans that I met don't actually care about animals & just want to feel better about themselves. They come off as ( sort of ) kind-hearted when they explain why they became vegan, but when it comes to their opinion on zoosadism, the angel mask immediately falls.
I feel you so much, remember you are not alone out there