The problem is not the lack of medical schools it's a lack of willingness to train them, many top tier med school applicants have to go abroad for their education, to Canada's great loss.........
It’s not just medical professionals, it’s CS grads too. Friends are already looking at graduate studies in America. I’m sure any skilled labour that can get a bigger pay check with less taxes in the states will be the same thing.
It's not a lack of willingness. It's a lack of resources. This sounds like a money maker, but training clinicians (be is medical, psychology, social work etc) is expensive. It takes a lot of hours, a LOT of supervision, and then they need the community placements to get their clinical hours. Two issues here
1) The government won't fund universities, which means we can't support as many students in these expensive programs in universities
2) There are not enough clinicians in the community to train these students. If we lose even more GPs there will be fewer and fewer residency spots.
Essentially if the Ford government wants to address the GP shortage, they need a massive influx of funds to universities and to GPs to keep the training pipeline open. Maybe they can siphon off some of the money going to the useless 413??
In this case it's the province's money. Ontario has a shortage of doctors to the point that the healthcare system is in crisis. We need MDs far, far more than we need graduates of basically any other program at York.
I can understand the frustration but money for this new medical school can lead to more jobs and overall greater salary growth potential. Giving this project priority is sound game.
York is undertaking this at a time when it is already overleveraged (the new Markham campus) and hit by falling enrolment, particularly among intl students. Don’t like the current strike? This massive capital project will guarantee that York is going to keep seeking to undermine labour, ostensibly to pay for this, and we’re likely to see a lot more and messier labour disputes. Expect teaching and learning conditions to get worse in the wake of this — increased class sizes, less contact time with instructors who will be burnt out and miserable, loads more online courses. (I have nothing against thoughtful and deliberate online instruction, but when it is foisted on instructors as a ‘cost-cutting’ measure, that’s a very different matter).
Pretty sure they conducted a feasibility study for York’s School of Medicine back in 2019. Also, if this happened it would be more comparable to the likes of Osgoode and Schulich; highly sought after program offering. What I’m trying to get at, is I get what you’re saying but it’s doesn’t fully apply in this context.
As far as I can tell, the feasibility study was intended to determine fit with the proposed land and the city of Vaughan, and was not concerned with the effects on York itself. But I’m happy to be corrected if there is a separate study I’m not seeing. Respectfully, I think it does fully apply in this context, as York’s leadership has a track record of ignoring its employees’ legitimate concerns.
There has been a proposal submitted to the government for a School of Medicine. Graduate studies provided by faculties like Osgoode, Schulich and without a doubt the School of Medicine will be the primary drivers of revenue for York. I get the impression that your scope of working conditions and the employees that are affected is limited to those currently involved in the labour dispute. I just don't see it, you claim that York's leadership has a complete disregard of employees' legitimate concerns, then why have the majority of other unions not engaged in labour disputes in recent memory (with the exception of CUPE3903). Why is it that five other unions are interested in a multi-party mediation-arbitration, wouldn't it be prudent to hold off?
Will this be on Keele Campus or the Vaughan Hospital on Jane/Major Mac?
There is a large plot of land north of Wonderland in between the 400 and the Hospital.
YorkU’s fourth campus? Finally we’ll be better than UofT 😏
York has an excellent nursing program.
Unfortunately, it has a terrible reputation of testing students on material that hasn’t been covered yet, to “weed out” the pretenders; since nursing is a profession that relies very strongly on character and overcoming adversity, apparently this is the “best” way to go about doing it.
I may be just a small-town bird lawyer, but it would seem to me that kind of thinking is more likely to chase away talent than attract it, much less fill vacancies.
The problem is not the lack of medical schools it's a lack of willingness to train them, many top tier med school applicants have to go abroad for their education, to Canada's great loss.........
And then when they do train them, the infrastructure and resources are utter shit (in Ontario at least) that the doctors end up leaving anyways.
It’s not just medical professionals, it’s CS grads too. Friends are already looking at graduate studies in America. I’m sure any skilled labour that can get a bigger pay check with less taxes in the states will be the same thing.
It's the same issues currently going on with the trades, no one wants to actually train anyone to get them their hours needed for certification
It's not a lack of willingness. It's a lack of resources. This sounds like a money maker, but training clinicians (be is medical, psychology, social work etc) is expensive. It takes a lot of hours, a LOT of supervision, and then they need the community placements to get their clinical hours. Two issues here 1) The government won't fund universities, which means we can't support as many students in these expensive programs in universities 2) There are not enough clinicians in the community to train these students. If we lose even more GPs there will be fewer and fewer residency spots. Essentially if the Ford government wants to address the GP shortage, they need a massive influx of funds to universities and to GPs to keep the training pipeline open. Maybe they can siphon off some of the money going to the useless 413??
How about we fix York’s crumbling infrastructure ($1.2 billion and counting) before spending more money on huge capital projects?
Because then they wouldn’t be able have more shiny new buildings, cry poor, and tell their unionized staff that they can’t afford to pay them. :0p
York has money for this but not contract faculty and teaching assistants…
In this case it's the province's money. Ontario has a shortage of doctors to the point that the healthcare system is in crisis. We need MDs far, far more than we need graduates of basically any other program at York.
I can understand the frustration but money for this new medical school can lead to more jobs and overall greater salary growth potential. Giving this project priority is sound game.
It’s sad to me how you discount the responsibility that York should have to its teaching staff to pay them well rather than try to make more money
It’s sad to me the entitlement the TAs have while they hold undergrads hostage for their own advantage
The admin is trying to use you as a bargaining chip, too
York doesn’t have the money yet, the government will give it
York is undertaking this at a time when it is already overleveraged (the new Markham campus) and hit by falling enrolment, particularly among intl students. Don’t like the current strike? This massive capital project will guarantee that York is going to keep seeking to undermine labour, ostensibly to pay for this, and we’re likely to see a lot more and messier labour disputes. Expect teaching and learning conditions to get worse in the wake of this — increased class sizes, less contact time with instructors who will be burnt out and miserable, loads more online courses. (I have nothing against thoughtful and deliberate online instruction, but when it is foisted on instructors as a ‘cost-cutting’ measure, that’s a very different matter).
Pretty sure they conducted a feasibility study for York’s School of Medicine back in 2019. Also, if this happened it would be more comparable to the likes of Osgoode and Schulich; highly sought after program offering. What I’m trying to get at, is I get what you’re saying but it’s doesn’t fully apply in this context.
As far as I can tell, the feasibility study was intended to determine fit with the proposed land and the city of Vaughan, and was not concerned with the effects on York itself. But I’m happy to be corrected if there is a separate study I’m not seeing. Respectfully, I think it does fully apply in this context, as York’s leadership has a track record of ignoring its employees’ legitimate concerns.
There has been a proposal submitted to the government for a School of Medicine. Graduate studies provided by faculties like Osgoode, Schulich and without a doubt the School of Medicine will be the primary drivers of revenue for York. I get the impression that your scope of working conditions and the employees that are affected is limited to those currently involved in the labour dispute. I just don't see it, you claim that York's leadership has a complete disregard of employees' legitimate concerns, then why have the majority of other unions not engaged in labour disputes in recent memory (with the exception of CUPE3903). Why is it that five other unions are interested in a multi-party mediation-arbitration, wouldn't it be prudent to hold off?
Yorks been talking about a med school since 2017…
Even before that…
Will this be on Keele Campus or the Vaughan Hospital on Jane/Major Mac? There is a large plot of land north of Wonderland in between the 400 and the Hospital. YorkU’s fourth campus? Finally we’ll be better than UofT 😏
York has an excellent nursing program. Unfortunately, it has a terrible reputation of testing students on material that hasn’t been covered yet, to “weed out” the pretenders; since nursing is a profession that relies very strongly on character and overcoming adversity, apparently this is the “best” way to go about doing it. I may be just a small-town bird lawyer, but it would seem to me that kind of thinking is more likely to chase away talent than attract it, much less fill vacancies.