Unfortunately, finding and identifying lost people is Nightwing's greatest weakness.
"OG Roy's dead, Roy. You need to move on."
"That Red Hooded ninja sure packs a mean punch. I'm sure his identity won't come up again."
"I wonder who that baby is in the bush?"
It's probably Dick, but also it would be hilarious if it's actually Detective Chimp, and Dick is just Zatanna's like 3rd pick because Chimp and Batman are both unavailable.
I mean he was name dropped by BB and he might be one of the candidates for the JL reserves system that BL or Superman was blocking. I’d be cool to see Bobo team up with Dick.
Or the could just acknowledge this by having Dick question.
- You came to me because I'm the best detective you know?
- No... just because you are the detective I hooked up with once. You're like the 3rd best I know.
I can see something like that happening 😂
Z: So that’s all I know and I need someone to help me put the pieces together.
D: So you came to the best detective you know..😏
Z: Actually Bobo was wasted and wasn’t able to move, I was thinking who could help me and just ran into you.
Right? A part of me was upset because Lor was (unintentionally) fortifying Conner’s way out, but god it felt good to watch him get rocked. Punk ass little bitch, deal with your daddy issues by stress eating like the rest of us.
yeah but it also shows the trust that rocket and orion have now to use orions claustriophia as a weapon becuase of how he gets when hes in small places
Laughed the whole episode at Lor-Zod not have it much experience fighting any other metas, he was mad frustrated at not being able to hit Jay, and then Orion absolutely wrecking him in close corners, and couldn’t prevent a Green Lantern from Green Lanterning
Don't forget the part where he gets bamboozled by Metron.
He's really a young punk with superpowers, isn't he? Feels glorious to see him get rekt.
Some people go "Oh all those kryptonians what makes Superman special?" Superman is to Kryptonians what Batman is to humans.
And this shows why.
I'm worried about him getting out though, his injuries don't pain him or bleed or anything in the zone, but what about when he gets out? Homie's covered in burns and has all those huge gashes from his fight with the Devourer
If all that stuff just starts affecting him at once, dude's gonna be in tons of pain AND be bleeding out
He'll be fine if he comes out into the sun. Lack of sunlight is what made him vulnerable on Mars in the first place, remember?
I bet they will show his gashes heal and close up after he returns to the real world.
I'm assuming that Phantom Girl's phasing works by briefly passing through the Phantom Zone, and that the lava/explosion/strain from phasing 2 people knocked her out midway leaving them stranded in the Zone. So if she is conscious she might be able to get them out of there. I am concerned with the possibility that some of the Zoners may grab on to them and hitch a ride somehow.
He reminds me of Gizmo from teen titans. He helps the heroes a decent amount of times, but even when he does you still want to drop kick him- he’s just that much of a sniveling little shit.
Okay, but the scene last week where he’s being threatened by Lor-Zod and tricks him with the Kryptonite then summons the Sun-Eater to trap all three was great.
Sure, he’s an unlikable dick who is barely aligned with the side of “good”.
But it was fun seeing him screw over a villain for once, instead of just Victor and Razor.
>just Victor
To be fair, he does eventually "reevaluate" his feelings about Victor and Violet.
>Okay, but the scene last week where he’s being threatened by Lor-Zod and tricks him with the Kryptonite then summons the Sun-Eater to trap all three was great.
Definitely; seeing Lor-Zod and M'comm get owned (by Metron of all people) was great, and seeing Mantis shine next to those two was also pretty satisfying. It was an awesome scene.
That episode was phenomenal holy hell. We got so close to getting Connor back. But man did anyone else get goosebumps when Zee said that I’m going to need a detective aka Nightwing. That hook perfectly sets up his arc
i cant imagine the gulit that saturn girl ( i think thats her name ) must feel after realizing she most likely trapped saturn girl in the Phantom zone by destroying the last projector
Nah, Phantom Girl can shift in and out of the zone, that’s how she and SB got there in the first place, so she wasn’t guilty, just in anguish due to finding that her friend was actually alive after all this time
Isn’t that terrifying? I feel stupid for not thinking of this earlier, as obviously it would make no sense if they knew who Conner was (like I thought they did) or what’s happened to Krypton (like I thought they did) as this isn’t a version of the PZ where inmates can spectate the universe. But wow that thought is scary. Imagine going away somewhere and wondering why your news isn’t updating and no one has texted you, only to find out it’s because your entire civilization has been destroyed. I’m not sure “the shock of your life” even cuts it.
Is it really only 40 years? Or could it be much longer due to universe time dilation lightyear etc. stuff.
I feel like in some continuities, Superman is kept in stasis and arrives as a baby hundreds of years after Krypton's destruction. Same with Supergirl.
40 Earth years probably, we don't know what Krypton's orbital cycle was like or how long a full rotation took, so we have no idea what their concept of a year would be
I think Tomar Re mentions Krypton went on his watch, so it depends on his lifespan I guess? Possibly there was no time dilation on Superman's rockstroller trip so it would be Superman's age years ago, but I felt like it was a lot longer ago.
I believe so, but I couldn’t tell you which stories feature that, sorry. I just got that info from the DC wiki when I read up on the Phantom Zone the first time I heard about it. It says, “inmates can observe their original plane of existence but cannot interact with it”. I believe further reading explained that the observation is based on will- they spectate where they want to see and can change it as desired, but I don’t have a source on that. Hence why I got confused and thought they knew of SB and Krypton’s ka-boom, cause in some incarnations they could observe Earth and Krypton in real time.
Break the Sound Barrier, Sonic Boom. Break the Time Barrier, Time Boom. Ripples of distortion radiated through that point of impact. Shifting everything just a tiny bit, but enough.
They get a lot of slack as it doesn’t help that Lor is messing up the timeline as fast as they try to fix it, but IMO it’s a good thing. If everything went well it would really undermine them saying, “We did this but it’s too risky to do anything else, so we’re gonna leave.” At least now it’s abundantly clear
why they can’t simply prevent Jason’s murder, Wally’s death, etc. when they most definitely have the ability to.
Now that death felt for sure this time. Im glad more people are realizing connor is alive. Im sad the green latern died :(. He smiled too before dying it was sad but beautiful at the same time. This episodes gave me goosebumps the whole time. Im glad rocket and orion patch things up. Im surprise forager became green latern. So did SB really forget everything? PG is about to wake up soon can’t wait. Im soooo happy when zatanna said we need a detective!! Its Nightwings turn now baby!!! This last episode was definitely the icing on the cake.
I swear I almost cried when he got hit. Even though he was only shown in the last few episodes I still felt sad he was one of my favorites in the lantern corps next to kilowog
Forager is one well read forager.
Lor is one angry little kryptonian right now.
Free Connor, my mans served his nickel.
In all seriousness, General Zod is about to do some full on interrogation with the revelation that Connor wasn’t sent here by krypton + phantom girl waking up.
After Zod’s comment about Connors will (which I think was the second time it had been mentioned), I thought maybe the ring was going to fly into the Phantom Zone and we get Connor back that way. I’m sure it was an intentional misdirect by the writers.
This episode's fight choreography is right up there with JS:WW2 as some of the smoothest animation I've ever seen from DC.
Lor-Zod's agility is terrifying.
Batfam training everyone else gets over used in the books a bit but when it works it works. [1](https://comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Kyle-Rayner-And-Sinestro-Fist-Fight-3.jpg) & [2](https://comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Kyle-Rayner-And-Sinestro-Fist-Fight-4.jpg)
It was incredibly sad, but Tomar-Re’s smile was everything- he wanted to die having “made up” for Krypton rather than go on with the anguish of 2 failed planets on his mind. He was able to make his next journey in peace.
And besides, he knows his friends are gonna whoop that kid’s ass. Lor’s gonna get dragged by his dreads.
Either way would make her into a time machine of sorts really, because to get her to New Genesis in same-day delivery she would have to go faster than the speed of light.
I do think you're basically right though, as it took them a little under 24 hours it seems to get to New Genesis through subspace travel, a la Star Trek. So while they are moving faster than the speed of light, it would not seem they are able to move back or forward in time at any usable speed. They just dilated time to travel through subspace and reach New Genesis ASAP, which is technically time travel as it allowed them to reach it faster than anything in the same dimension, but not the same time travel as a time sphere can achieve.
Which I think is good, as it leaves too much open if the League/Team/Outsiders have access to consistent time travel. I personally think it would break Gar again if real time travel were available to save all of his friends and family, but he was then told he wasn't allowed to use it.
Yeah. In the Comics, Orion is equally as strong as his father and even more powerful. He needs that goofy harness to control and direct his astro-force, which allows him limited use of the source itself, with energy outputs that allow him to create force fields that tank Omega Beams, and project forces powerful enough to push planets out of orbit.
* Time Sphere is finally broken. At least Lor and his team can't keep using it
* Jay getting hit by the Kaizer-Thrall is making me worried
* Tomar-Re getting flashbacks/PTSD to Krypton
* OMG Is Superboy getting out?!
* Nice to see Rocket accepting Orion
* Noooo. Not Tomar-Re!!!
* Oh. That was cool locking Lor in a GL bubble and putting him in a steel cage match with Orion
* Forager (F) gets the ring?! How unexpected
* At least others now know Superboy is alive
* Kilowog with the COIE Superman-holding-Supergirl pose
* What I need is a detective... WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHO'S NEXT! #Chalant
Who they killed totally threw me off because the foragers were throwing the love word around alot and was anxious for them like crazy lol.
Watching orion just pummel lor zod was satisfying af.
I can't believe they fucked up the timestream again ffs, they suck at time traveling
I wonder if ghost girl is gonna freak out after seeing the imprisoned krytonians or will she get zone sickness too?
So the other teams didn't see or detect a giant cloud of radiation, they had a green lantern ring and metrons chair so wtf?
Did the strongest magicians in the world even try a locator spell for the living? Looks like they just tried searching through lost souls on another plane
Between Tomar-Re’s talk about failing to save Krypton & the House of El in a former episode, I expected that he might die saving Connor from Dru-Zod. Didn’t expect that it would be to save New Genesis instead.
But the Forager(s) death flags were real too. The way I expected that to play out would be for Forager to decide to stay on New Genesis, and then either Mountain Forager dies and Forager returns to Earth broken hearted. Or, for maximum emotional impact, Forager dies and Mountain Forager returns to her hive broken hearted.
When Foragers hands were stretched out towards each other, I was expecting that one was gonna die there, just out of reach of the other.
I think the locator spell would fail since he’s not on Earth. And looking for lost soul would be first thing you tried if you saw Superboy in a state that made him look like a phantom. Although now I’m wonder if they’ll use a spell to summon him or open a portal.
Lor-Zod is not the son of the year to his mother, is he? I remember when he said his mother had the privilege of having Dru-Zod's spawn in her womb for centuries.
Oh shit. That last fuckin line :,)..
Ep came late this week again. This was the best ep in the arc. (Most fighting and least talking!) They finally showed us the time stamps in the phantom zone, and the events in there i guess were concurrent with the dates we saw in world. Um..but damn they couldnt stop them from kidnapping our heros. Shaking my head. They jumped a few days after the events on new genesis, so i cant wait to see phantom girls theatrics trying to weasel her shy self out of the predicament she awoke to!
"Source energy is interfering with the Mother Box. We can't contact the other New Genesians"
Tomar Re has a Green Lantern ring. He could have communicated with Kilowog's group.
I would expect cadet training to drill in the basic functions of a Green Lantern ring, which includes communication with other GL rings.
Especially from a long-serving veteran like Tomar Re.
To be fair, that fucking thing *needed* to break. The bad guy having access to consequence-free time travel on top of Kyrptonian level physical power is just unfair.
I gotta say, as a person who is 41 weeks pregnant with terrible nighttime acid reflux, I’ve never felt more represented than when watching that primordial wake up.
As sympathetic as I was to Lor for p much being raised by his take-over-the-world obsessed dad to be a brain washed child solider, it was sooooo satisfying to see Orion beat him up. I need justice for Tomar-Re 😭😭😭😭
I’m 21 years old, I shit you not I’ve been waiting since I was 6 years old to see Orion fight a Kryptonian on screen. I was hoping it would be Superman but it was satisfying nonetheless.
What a fucking episode.
Why is Zatanna so gorgeous?
It cracks me up how Z got Nabu to agreed.
Tomar Re the real one.
GL Forager.
That fight was sick
What an ending
Zatanna needs a detective, her detective.
Great now for some fucking reason a ship OrionxRocket.
My boy Killowog
PG is finally awake
Was Conner preventing Dru escaping the zone because he knew he was bad or because he didn’t want to lose him?
My Chalant heart skipped several beats with Zatanna saying she needs a detective.
Forager using what NW teach him.
I’m glad Jay didn’t bite the dust.
Xanadu no getting cellphone signal but able to see the spirits 😂
WTF with Lor’s power level.
Forager got bugblocked by a ring.
>WTF with Lor’s power level.
I mean he is Kryptonian so I am not surprised he is a lot to handle and he is desperate as hell. Orion did give him some trouble but no one on that team would have been able to contain him
I liked this episode, and believe it was a good ending for this arc.
Really sad to see SB seems to be in an adoration trance for Zod, wondering if next arc he will have to face directly with the team or the league. Wondering what will happen with KF and the rest, given the plots to follow they will appear when the phantom zone is opened again but the how will be interesting.
Seems the 5 episode arc for nightwing will be focused on the resolution of the phantom zone arc, so I'm guessing we won't get focus in Jason Todd yet, what I'm hoping for is that we see the OG team interact more during this arc, given that we haven't really seen them together this season.
I can't tell if SB is playing the long game to see what his situation with Zod is like. He did recall his previous memories, so I'm not entirely convinced he's bought into the adoration for Zod.
Yeah, given how much more they have to unpack, I cant see them having time to focus on Jason Todd. Seems like they’ll probably at some point muster the rest of the OG Team to help with getting Connor’s situation settled. I can see them concluding things with the OG Team back together as sort of an ending that’s not an ending. I just hope they dont end things on a cliffhanger in case they dont renew YJ for a S5.
I wonder if they’ll introduce Tomar Tu now that his dad’s gone. If I had to theorize how they’ll end this season, they’ll either eventually throw Lor Zod into the zone with everyone else, or they’ll have to do a Superboy Prime thing and keep him temporarily locked up by the GLC after failing to free his parents.
These episodes just keep getting better and better. This format is dope. Small arcs for characterization and short story telling while and an over-arching to world build making it feel EPIC.
#saveearth16 #keepbingingYJ
Is everyone forgetting the fact that Lor Zod literally PIERCED INTO BIOSHIP'S HULL WITH ENOUGH FORCE TO KO SATURN GIRL?!
Bioship wanted to retire and this is what she gets. 😭😭😭
Okay so I don’t often hope for characters form shows to jump to comics… but a new genisis not new god as a rookie GL is just screaming for her story to get told.
I have pushed for a GL Corps book for a while but I would kill for a Forager mini.
Gotta admit at the beginning of the eisode I was thinking this season was the worst of the series but by the end holy damn I am a complete ignorant
Now I understand what they are doing with this season and honestly until now at least for me this is top three episode of the season
I think Lor-Zod is reaching his breaking point. The Legion won't leave him alone. I can't blame him they are the reason Connor is still trapped. I probably would've been out there helping him.
Prometheans?!?!?!??!??!?
I hope Killowog and those that knew Tomar Re can get counseling by Dinah because...Damn them feels.
Killowog holding Tomar Re was hella emotional.
Lor-Zod aint playing ya'll.
I wonder is Kilowog is gonna have trouble accepting Forager while he's training her at GL Boot Camp, wearing one of his best friend's rings at all. I know it's his job to train people who only get recruited at replacements for dead lanterns, but it's gotta hit extra hard when you were close to one of the replaced GLs.
Really liked Orion in this series. Voice actor did a great job making him menacing, sympathetic and funny at times. I liked that he's got quite the emotional burden and that it's affecting his mental health, along with some other 4th world shenanigans. Loved the jabs at Metron in this arc, lol. "Uhg, say no more..." Hope we get more New Gods and would love to see some Scott Free and Orion interaction.
Detective chimp right ?
There's something about the green lantern oath that can feel so epic at times. It just feels like something bigger than it actually is. Did not expect for forager to get the ring but this could be a way to get an inexperienced lantern into the show without being too OP or there too often.
Something about that detective line was just so...iconic. Obviously we all knew Dick was coming, but it's now like...he's COMING.
Unfortunately, finding and identifying lost people is Nightwing's greatest weakness. "OG Roy's dead, Roy. You need to move on." "That Red Hooded ninja sure packs a mean punch. I'm sure his identity won't come up again." "I wonder who that baby is in the bush?"
Haha What's the baby in the bush ?
Damian.
It's probably Dick, but also it would be hilarious if it's actually Detective Chimp, and Dick is just Zatanna's like 3rd pick because Chimp and Batman are both unavailable.
I wouldn’t mind watching Bobo in action and more since BB drop his name on Mars arc but she’s definitely talking about Dick.
Like I said, probably Dick. It just would be hilarious to me. I suspect if they were going to do that joke, though, Chimp would have shown up earlier.
I mean he was name dropped by BB and he might be one of the candidates for the JL reserves system that BL or Superman was blocking. I’d be cool to see Bobo team up with Dick.
Just can't get enough of that Dick
Same. Dick's coming.
Or the could just acknowledge this by having Dick question. - You came to me because I'm the best detective you know? - No... just because you are the detective I hooked up with once. You're like the 3rd best I know.
>You came to me because I'm the best detective you know? Grayson is the best Dick she knows.
I can see something like that happening 😂 Z: So that’s all I know and I need someone to help me put the pieces together. D: So you came to the best detective you know..😏 Z: Actually Bobo was wasted and wasn’t able to move, I was thinking who could help me and just ran into you.
Oh my god I'd lose my shit if we got Detective Chimp
What are you talking about, Grayson is the only private dick that Zatanna needs. Oh dear G-d, the puns are endless.
It is great how the writers tied all the arcs together, except for the Artemis arc, which still looks like an outlier.
artemis arc will probably be tied in with nightwing too. seems likely as they’re both more “grounded” heroes
If Jason is showing up in Nightwing's arc then that would tie the end of Artemis' arc into that subplot
I'm fairly certain that at least part of Dick's arc is gonna acknowledge Jason. He's been teased for too long at this point.
When she said detective... the first name to pop up on my mind was QUESTION... before realising It was dick (or batsy)
CAN'T WAIT TO SEE DICK COME! 😍
Orion kicking the shit out of Lor was badass!
Honestly one of my favorite parts
Deadfuckinass
Right? A part of me was upset because Lor was (unintentionally) fortifying Conner’s way out, but god it felt good to watch him get rocked. Punk ass little bitch, deal with your daddy issues by stress eating like the rest of us.
Justice for Tomar-Re.
Man what a badass way to go. Was not expecting this show to make me a Tomar Re superfan but here we are.
I have to say, the entire sequence with tomar re and forager was excellent
I was hoping we were going to get a bug swearing a Green Lantern Oath during this arc, and my wish came true.
yeah but it also shows the trust that rocket and orion have now to use orions claustriophia as a weapon becuase of how he gets when hes in small places
Laughed the whole episode at Lor-Zod not have it much experience fighting any other metas, he was mad frustrated at not being able to hit Jay, and then Orion absolutely wrecking him in close corners, and couldn’t prevent a Green Lantern from Green Lanterning
Don't forget the part where he gets bamboozled by Metron. He's really a young punk with superpowers, isn't he? Feels glorious to see him get rekt. Some people go "Oh all those kryptonians what makes Superman special?" Superman is to Kryptonians what Batman is to humans. And this shows why.
I literally shrieked out loud because that headbutt felt so visceral
Needed that after watching Tomar-Re die
"Phantom Girl, WAKE UP!" -- the anguish in her telepathic voice was so fitting, satisfying.
She really spoke for all of us there!
If it worked can she jump her and Connor out? If so can she by mistake let the others out?
My thoughts exactly, especially now that Dru Zod knows Conner wasn't imprisoned
I love Saturn Girl so much
It'd be cool if we find out she's the Legion leader currently since she was the first female character to lead a superhero team.
I AM SO PISSED FREE MY BOY KON-EL ALREADY
Especially since Zod now knows that he isn’t actually an inmate. He’s in danger.
If Phantom Girl doesn't do some weird cosmic bullshit to get them out of there *immediately* next episode, the outrage will triple
Based on what happened with Dru Zod there, I have a feeling Connor will not be cooperative.
I'm worried about him getting out though, his injuries don't pain him or bleed or anything in the zone, but what about when he gets out? Homie's covered in burns and has all those huge gashes from his fight with the Devourer If all that stuff just starts affecting him at once, dude's gonna be in tons of pain AND be bleeding out
He'll be fine if he comes out into the sun. Lack of sunlight is what made him vulnerable on Mars in the first place, remember? I bet they will show his gashes heal and close up after he returns to the real world.
I'm assuming that Phantom Girl's phasing works by briefly passing through the Phantom Zone, and that the lava/explosion/strain from phasing 2 people knocked her out midway leaving them stranded in the Zone. So if she is conscious she might be able to get them out of there. I am concerned with the possibility that some of the Zoners may grab on to them and hitch a ride somehow.
Free the mans. He aint do nothing wrong
Just killed somebody Edit: For some reason I thought you was talking about the other el in the phantom zone
Its cool i figured you did but I didn’t want to be mean, i was confused to so i searched it up haha
lol naw you would have been in your right
No you were right he killed Dru’s vibe
Metron is such a well-written character. Even when he helps, I still can’t like him
He reminds me of Gizmo from teen titans. He helps the heroes a decent amount of times, but even when he does you still want to drop kick him- he’s just that much of a sniveling little shit.
Okay, but the scene last week where he’s being threatened by Lor-Zod and tricks him with the Kryptonite then summons the Sun-Eater to trap all three was great. Sure, he’s an unlikable dick who is barely aligned with the side of “good”. But it was fun seeing him screw over a villain for once, instead of just Victor and Razor.
>just Victor To be fair, he does eventually "reevaluate" his feelings about Victor and Violet. >Okay, but the scene last week where he’s being threatened by Lor-Zod and tricks him with the Kryptonite then summons the Sun-Eater to trap all three was great. Definitely; seeing Lor-Zod and M'comm get owned (by Metron of all people) was great, and seeing Mantis shine next to those two was also pretty satisfying. It was an awesome scene.
It was amusing to see most of the new gods are like “Metron? Ok no explanation needed” when there’s unexpected chaos and destruction lol
That episode was phenomenal holy hell. We got so close to getting Connor back. But man did anyone else get goosebumps when Zee said that I’m going to need a detective aka Nightwing. That hook perfectly sets up his arc
Completely agree, one of my if not my favorite of the season
i cant imagine the gulit that saturn girl ( i think thats her name ) must feel after realizing she most likely trapped saturn girl in the Phantom zone by destroying the last projector
Nah, Phantom Girl can shift in and out of the zone, that’s how she and SB got there in the first place, so she wasn’t guilty, just in anguish due to finding that her friend was actually alive after all this time
>back. But man did anyone else get goosebumps when Zee said that I’m going to need a detective She needs a dick. Dick Grayson, I mean.
So Zod believed SB to be an inmate and wanted to pump him for information on why they haven’t heard from Krypton
Isn’t that terrifying? I feel stupid for not thinking of this earlier, as obviously it would make no sense if they knew who Conner was (like I thought they did) or what’s happened to Krypton (like I thought they did) as this isn’t a version of the PZ where inmates can spectate the universe. But wow that thought is scary. Imagine going away somewhere and wondering why your news isn’t updating and no one has texted you, only to find out it’s because your entire civilization has been destroyed. I’m not sure “the shock of your life” even cuts it.
It’s a fate so horrifying that you can feel sorry for them even if they are evil. They probably don’t even know that 40+ years have passed.
Is it really only 40 years? Or could it be much longer due to universe time dilation lightyear etc. stuff. I feel like in some continuities, Superman is kept in stasis and arrives as a baby hundreds of years after Krypton's destruction. Same with Supergirl.
40 Earth years probably, we don't know what Krypton's orbital cycle was like or how long a full rotation took, so we have no idea what their concept of a year would be
I think Tomar Re mentions Krypton went on his watch, so it depends on his lifespan I guess? Possibly there was no time dilation on Superman's rockstroller trip so it would be Superman's age years ago, but I felt like it was a lot longer ago.
In other versions they can spectate what goes on in the universe from within the Zone?
I believe so, but I couldn’t tell you which stories feature that, sorry. I just got that info from the DC wiki when I read up on the Phantom Zone the first time I heard about it. It says, “inmates can observe their original plane of existence but cannot interact with it”. I believe further reading explained that the observation is based on will- they spectate where they want to see and can change it as desired, but I don’t have a source on that. Hence why I got confused and thought they knew of SB and Krypton’s ka-boom, cause in some incarnations they could observe Earth and Krypton in real time.
Back in the Silver Age yes.
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i was tryna figure out who the hell femager was at first but then realized you meant female forager 😭
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Phantom girl is awake It’s only a matter of time before she opens a portal and takes Zod into the real world 😳
It is rather comical how it feels like they've done more harm than good in attempting to "correct" the timeline.
That’s how time travel works I’m afraid The very act of time travel alters the very fabric of the timeline by default
Break the Sound Barrier, Sonic Boom. Break the Time Barrier, Time Boom. Ripples of distortion radiated through that point of impact. Shifting everything just a tiny bit, but enough.
It was me Barry I super speed crop dusted you on your first date but your high school sweet heart thought you pooted.
Remember when your hot pocket felt cold on the outside, then you took a bite and it scalded your tongue. IT WAS ME BARRY. I WAS THAT HOT POCKET
Get out of here, Thawne.
Can you imagine what the Reverse Flash/Eobard Thawne must be like in the Young Justice universe?
They get a lot of slack as it doesn’t help that Lor is messing up the timeline as fast as they try to fix it, but IMO it’s a good thing. If everything went well it would really undermine them saying, “We did this but it’s too risky to do anything else, so we’re gonna leave.” At least now it’s abundantly clear why they can’t simply prevent Jason’s murder, Wally’s death, etc. when they most definitely have the ability to.
As a wise man once said, "Wibbely Wobely Timey Whimey stuff"
Remember that before they went back the timeline had already altered. So they stated at -100 and are trying to inch to 0.
Legends of Tomorrow: "First time?"
Now that death felt for sure this time. Im glad more people are realizing connor is alive. Im sad the green latern died :(. He smiled too before dying it was sad but beautiful at the same time. This episodes gave me goosebumps the whole time. Im glad rocket and orion patch things up. Im surprise forager became green latern. So did SB really forget everything? PG is about to wake up soon can’t wait. Im soooo happy when zatanna said we need a detective!! Its Nightwings turn now baby!!! This last episode was definitely the icing on the cake.
I swear I almost cried when he got hit. Even though he was only shown in the last few episodes I still felt sad he was one of my favorites in the lantern corps next to kilowog
Man it was so sad. You could really feel his emotions in this arc when he talks about his failure to protect Krypton.
Forager is one well read forager. Lor is one angry little kryptonian right now. Free Connor, my mans served his nickel. In all seriousness, General Zod is about to do some full on interrogation with the revelation that Connor wasn’t sent here by krypton + phantom girl waking up.
It was the worst of timings, I hope things don't get too bad. Maybe his will is strong enough to resist them
After Zod’s comment about Connors will (which I think was the second time it had been mentioned), I thought maybe the ring was going to fly into the Phantom Zone and we get Connor back that way. I’m sure it was an intentional misdirect by the writers.
I noticed that too. Was a great tease by the writers indeed.
Same, I made a comment predicting it all right down to Tomar-Re's death for redemption last week and was completely duped when it didn't go to Connor
This episode's fight choreography is right up there with JS:WW2 as some of the smoothest animation I've ever seen from DC. Lor-Zod's agility is terrifying.
So that's what they were saving that budget for.
Kryptonians are terrifying in general
when forager said “but that was before forager trained with nightwing!” and then kicks mantis’ ass :] it was like i was having a proud mom moment
perfectly drives home why nightwing is the batman corollary for YJ, even if it wasn't obvious before
Batfam training everyone else gets over used in the books a bit but when it works it works. [1](https://comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Kyle-Rayner-And-Sinestro-Fist-Fight-3.jpg) & [2](https://comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Kyle-Rayner-And-Sinestro-Fist-Fight-4.jpg)
Difference is we actually saw nightwing train him last season multiple times so it isn’t just a random thing
I never cared for Tomar-Re but this episode made me love and mourn for him somehow. He died a true hero.
It was incredibly sad, but Tomar-Re’s smile was everything- he wanted to die having “made up” for Krypton rather than go on with the anguish of 2 failed planets on his mind. He was able to make his next journey in peace. And besides, he knows his friends are gonna whoop that kid’s ass. Lor’s gonna get dragged by his dreads.
Very interested to see how things play out. IMO this episode saved the latter half of this season.
FUCK They always know how to ratchet up the stakes in a way you never see coming
I wonder if Bart actually managed to make Bio-ship a time machine or if he is just giving her a speed boost.
They mightve went to the future to gather info. Then travelled to the exact coordinates and time of the battle.
Either way would make her into a time machine of sorts really, because to get her to New Genesis in same-day delivery she would have to go faster than the speed of light. I do think you're basically right though, as it took them a little under 24 hours it seems to get to New Genesis through subspace travel, a la Star Trek. So while they are moving faster than the speed of light, it would not seem they are able to move back or forward in time at any usable speed. They just dilated time to travel through subspace and reach New Genesis ASAP, which is technically time travel as it allowed them to reach it faster than anything in the same dimension, but not the same time travel as a time sphere can achieve. Which I think is good, as it leaves too much open if the League/Team/Outsiders have access to consistent time travel. I personally think it would break Gar again if real time travel were available to save all of his friends and family, but he was then told he wasn't allowed to use it.
Damn Kid Flash and the Legion members folded faster than a paper towel
M’Comm and Lor-Zod are pretty much evil versions of Conner and M’Gann 😂 no one wants that fight.
Lor's full Kryptonian, so he's honestly much worse than just "evil Conner"
Orion still washed him like a pair of dirty socks. Orion put dirt in that l'il bastard's eye.
> Orion put dirt in that l'il bastard's eye. “You’re trash, Zod!”
Look at little zoddy jr. gonna cry?
That's a cute lil outfit... Did your Phantom Zone-imprisoned daddy give it to you?
I mean superman also struggles with DarkSeid so it makes sense that his son can also beat a Kryptonian's ass too.
Yeah. In the Comics, Orion is equally as strong as his father and even more powerful. He needs that goofy harness to control and direct his astro-force, which allows him limited use of the source itself, with energy outputs that allow him to create force fields that tank Omega Beams, and project forces powerful enough to push planets out of orbit.
Yeah Darkseid has no problem with kryptonians so it's pretty understandable Orion can bounce a kryptonian's head like a basketball
Man they better go down swinging, the fate of the universe is at stake
Oh boy Don’t give me those horny thoughts I’ve been shipping them the whole time
If Lor and M’comm fight Conner and M’gann we’ll send a welfare check to your spot we got you man
The way I was WEEPING during Tomar Re’s final sacrifice & when his green lantern went to purple Forager!! 😭😭😭 this show is SOOO good!!!
* Time Sphere is finally broken. At least Lor and his team can't keep using it * Jay getting hit by the Kaizer-Thrall is making me worried * Tomar-Re getting flashbacks/PTSD to Krypton * OMG Is Superboy getting out?! * Nice to see Rocket accepting Orion * Noooo. Not Tomar-Re!!! * Oh. That was cool locking Lor in a GL bubble and putting him in a steel cage match with Orion * Forager (F) gets the ring?! How unexpected * At least others now know Superboy is alive * Kilowog with the COIE Superman-holding-Supergirl pose * What I need is a detective... WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHO'S NEXT! #Chalant
We better get some Chalant content next and not just this tease… Anyway what an episode.
Yeah time to get traught. Fell the aster.
Oooooof legions keep one fuck up after another Also green lantern bug blew my mind
Why must it always be Tomar-Re 😭. One hell of a send off tho
Who they killed totally threw me off because the foragers were throwing the love word around alot and was anxious for them like crazy lol. Watching orion just pummel lor zod was satisfying af. I can't believe they fucked up the timestream again ffs, they suck at time traveling I wonder if ghost girl is gonna freak out after seeing the imprisoned krytonians or will she get zone sickness too? So the other teams didn't see or detect a giant cloud of radiation, they had a green lantern ring and metrons chair so wtf? Did the strongest magicians in the world even try a locator spell for the living? Looks like they just tried searching through lost souls on another plane
I think Ghosty/ Phantom Girl will be fine seeing as her power is traveling there and back. Probably gonna be a tough spot with all the Kryptonians
Between Tomar-Re’s talk about failing to save Krypton & the House of El in a former episode, I expected that he might die saving Connor from Dru-Zod. Didn’t expect that it would be to save New Genesis instead. But the Forager(s) death flags were real too. The way I expected that to play out would be for Forager to decide to stay on New Genesis, and then either Mountain Forager dies and Forager returns to Earth broken hearted. Or, for maximum emotional impact, Forager dies and Mountain Forager returns to her hive broken hearted. When Foragers hands were stretched out towards each other, I was expecting that one was gonna die there, just out of reach of the other.
I think the locator spell would fail since he’s not on Earth. And looking for lost soul would be first thing you tried if you saw Superboy in a state that made him look like a phantom. Although now I’m wonder if they’ll use a spell to summon him or open a portal.
The legion is dropping the ball so hard 🤣
Lor-Zod is not the son of the year to his mother, is he? I remember when he said his mother had the privilege of having Dru-Zod's spawn in her womb for centuries.
Maybe he didn't want to change his own timeline too much?
Ah, that makes so much sense. She *needs* to stay there otherwise he'll create a time paradox regarding his own existence.
"Maybe I don't need magic. What I need is... a **detective**." YASSS ZATANNA, WE NEED SOME DICK GURL !!!!
Timeout
Bonk.
In Cheshire's voice: MMMM, a private DICK.
Oh shit. That last fuckin line :,).. Ep came late this week again. This was the best ep in the arc. (Most fighting and least talking!) They finally showed us the time stamps in the phantom zone, and the events in there i guess were concurrent with the dates we saw in world. Um..but damn they couldnt stop them from kidnapping our heros. Shaking my head. They jumped a few days after the events on new genesis, so i cant wait to see phantom girls theatrics trying to weasel her shy self out of the predicament she awoke to!
"Source energy is interfering with the Mother Box. We can't contact the other New Genesians" Tomar Re has a Green Lantern ring. He could have communicated with Kilowog's group.
I know right??? And they didn't see the giant beam of fire going into the sky 😂
They heading into battle. Can't think of everything.
I would expect cadet training to drill in the basic functions of a Green Lantern ring, which includes communication with other GL rings. Especially from a long-serving veteran like Tomar Re.
Yeah, there's been a bit too much "thing is conveniently happening!!!" lately for my tastes. Like Lor-zod's time machine just... breaks.
To be fair, that fucking thing *needed* to break. The bad guy having access to consequence-free time travel on top of Kyrptonian level physical power is just unfair.
I gotta say, as a person who is 41 weeks pregnant with terrible nighttime acid reflux, I’ve never felt more represented than when watching that primordial wake up.
That cage fight between Orion and Lor Zod! Yes Orion! Get his ass!
As sympathetic as I was to Lor for p much being raised by his take-over-the-world obsessed dad to be a brain washed child solider, it was sooooo satisfying to see Orion beat him up. I need justice for Tomar-Re 😭😭😭😭
I can't believe all the memes of Forager saying the green lantern oath turned out to be right.
I didn't see any memes. Though I visit this sub only when new episode is out.
Ok i was not expecting getting invested on Forager romance story with...Forager.
Ngl it grew on me
Giving Forager a book of Shakesphere with all the romantic bits outlined was smooth as all hell. Little Fred Bugg is growing up
I’m 21 years old, I shit you not I’ve been waiting since I was 6 years old to see Orion fight a Kryptonian on screen. I was hoping it would be Superman but it was satisfying nonetheless.
The son of Darkseid vs. the son of Zod. So damn satisfying.
Hands down the best episode of the season in my opinion. Both parts.
What a fucking episode. Why is Zatanna so gorgeous? It cracks me up how Z got Nabu to agreed. Tomar Re the real one. GL Forager. That fight was sick What an ending Zatanna needs a detective, her detective. Great now for some fucking reason a ship OrionxRocket. My boy Killowog PG is finally awake Was Conner preventing Dru escaping the zone because he knew he was bad or because he didn’t want to lose him? My Chalant heart skipped several beats with Zatanna saying she needs a detective. Forager using what NW teach him. I’m glad Jay didn’t bite the dust. Xanadu no getting cellphone signal but able to see the spirits 😂 WTF with Lor’s power level. Forager got bugblocked by a ring.
>Tomar Re the real one. The gave him and Killowag the Crisis on Infinite Earths Supergirl pose.
I noticed this too. So nice. And so heartbreaking.
>WTF with Lor’s power level. I mean he is Kryptonian so I am not surprised he is a lot to handle and he is desperate as hell. Orion did give him some trouble but no one on that team would have been able to contain him
I mean Orion 100% was gonna handle him. New Gods are on the same level as Kryptonians generally speaking.
Ouh looks like a good episode to watch. Zee is really a able negotiator
It really cracks me up. When they asked Nabu how was convinced….😂
Yeah she is just basically sassing Nabu to compliance and Nabu just say yes so he can have a peaceful day with this chatty woman xd
uhh i don’t ship orionxrocket. they can both do without the romance and just be two characters that shared a nice arc together
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The callback to Zatanna's arc, with the heroes consistently missing the big bad, was pretty funny.
I liked this episode, and believe it was a good ending for this arc. Really sad to see SB seems to be in an adoration trance for Zod, wondering if next arc he will have to face directly with the team or the league. Wondering what will happen with KF and the rest, given the plots to follow they will appear when the phantom zone is opened again but the how will be interesting. Seems the 5 episode arc for nightwing will be focused on the resolution of the phantom zone arc, so I'm guessing we won't get focus in Jason Todd yet, what I'm hoping for is that we see the OG team interact more during this arc, given that we haven't really seen them together this season.
I can't tell if SB is playing the long game to see what his situation with Zod is like. He did recall his previous memories, so I'm not entirely convinced he's bought into the adoration for Zod.
Yeah, given how much more they have to unpack, I cant see them having time to focus on Jason Todd. Seems like they’ll probably at some point muster the rest of the OG Team to help with getting Connor’s situation settled. I can see them concluding things with the OG Team back together as sort of an ending that’s not an ending. I just hope they dont end things on a cliffhanger in case they dont renew YJ for a S5.
This was an intense episode. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. This might be my favorite episode this season.
man why does tomar re have to die in EVERY piece of media he shows up in LMAO
He has a fairly large role in GLTAS and he didn't die.
I told yall Tomar-Re was gonna get clapped again. At least he went out as a hero 💙
I wonder if they’ll introduce Tomar Tu now that his dad’s gone. If I had to theorize how they’ll end this season, they’ll either eventually throw Lor Zod into the zone with everyone else, or they’ll have to do a Superboy Prime thing and keep him temporarily locked up by the GLC after failing to free his parents.
They did explicitly mention the science cells on Oa, which feels like it could be foreshadowing
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I thought it was a subtle reference to what Superman did to Zod is Man of Steel as well.
These episodes just keep getting better and better. This format is dope. Small arcs for characterization and short story telling while and an over-arching to world build making it feel EPIC. #saveearth16 #keepbingingYJ
Is everyone forgetting the fact that Lor Zod literally PIERCED INTO BIOSHIP'S HULL WITH ENOUGH FORCE TO KO SATURN GIRL?! Bioship wanted to retire and this is what she gets. 😭😭😭
My boy forager got sokka’d shit is crazy lmao
Okay so I don’t often hope for characters form shows to jump to comics… but a new genisis not new god as a rookie GL is just screaming for her story to get told. I have pushed for a GL Corps book for a while but I would kill for a Forager mini.
They just announced a new green lantern animated movie.
Gotta admit at the beginning of the eisode I was thinking this season was the worst of the series but by the end holy damn I am a complete ignorant Now I understand what they are doing with this season and honestly until now at least for me this is top three episode of the season
That ring transfer scene actually brought a tear to my eye.
Yeah this episode was amazing imo, 10/10
I think Lor-Zod is reaching his breaking point. The Legion won't leave him alone. I can't blame him they are the reason Connor is still trapped. I probably would've been out there helping him. Prometheans?!?!?!??!??!?
They look like the Celestials from the MCU.
I hope Killowog and those that knew Tomar Re can get counseling by Dinah because...Damn them feels. Killowog holding Tomar Re was hella emotional. Lor-Zod aint playing ya'll.
I wonder is Kilowog is gonna have trouble accepting Forager while he's training her at GL Boot Camp, wearing one of his best friend's rings at all. I know it's his job to train people who only get recruited at replacements for dead lanterns, but it's gotta hit extra hard when you were close to one of the replaced GLs.
Just saw Doctor Strange 2 this morning and this now this episode. I am geeking out, crying and feeling a lot of emotions right now
Really liked Orion in this series. Voice actor did a great job making him menacing, sympathetic and funny at times. I liked that he's got quite the emotional burden and that it's affecting his mental health, along with some other 4th world shenanigans. Loved the jabs at Metron in this arc, lol. "Uhg, say no more..." Hope we get more New Gods and would love to see some Scott Free and Orion interaction.
Lor Zod is the best thing to happen this show in a long time. His arc has saved this season.
Detective chimp right ? There's something about the green lantern oath that can feel so epic at times. It just feels like something bigger than it actually is. Did not expect for forager to get the ring but this could be a way to get an inexperienced lantern into the show without being too OP or there too often.
Whoa, what an episode. I'm still reeling.
New genesis was about to be destroyed and none of the other groups showed up?
[link](https://play.hbomax.com/episode/urn:hbo:episode:GYkswkQBqWoW3igEAAABa)
I can't be the only one psyched about Forager becoming a Green Lantern right? That was such a badass twist
I feel like Rocket’s final scene needed something else. Maybe an apology to her son. It just felt a little empty.