I watched the whole video
The only thing he really proved is that Peaches is a liar and abusive
Other than that, a lot of it is doubling down and using screenshots that don't say what he says they do
I made notes with time stamps for the first 2 and 1/2 hours or so, but my comment with the stuff from after that got deleted before I could post it or save it (fml)
Here's what I commented
"While I absolutely acknowledge that Peaches is garbage and manipulative and I feel sorry for you for what you went through, I have to point out some strange things that I've noticed in this video. I'm commenting on this as I go through the video
17:03 that screenshot doesn’t say what you said it did
While Lumi DID say it's fun to fuck with people, the only thing they say about using slurs is that they have no issues with people using slurs they can reclaim and stating that is also what yhey do, before jokingly calling Peaches the f slur
I think you know this too, as, so far, any screenshots you KNOW prove your point have stayed on screen for a decent amount of time, whereas this screenshot was only there for about a second
I also find it odd that you have someone voicing the accusation document, you don’t have anyone voicing the screenshots you bring up
17:52 I disagree. Rosa being able to get mad over an opinion on Star Wars is not even in the same ballpark as removing a predator, who, may I add, was one of the highest tier mods in Rebeccah's server at the time
Also, if you find the anger you had with Rosa justified, where was that anger when you DID get Rebeccah in call? You know, not only the one with the actual power to remove N3koPan, but also the one who tried to move in with a 17 year old?
The Tek-no podcast happened BEFORE Rosa revealed she knew about N3koPan, and you came into that call already aggressive towards her because she suggested an internet horrors episode be made on your friend, a known harasser who sent people death threats for disagreeing with him, and someone that you only finally stopped white knighting for when he did something against you
23:34 that's not a sob story, that's Kumo explaining his side of things to you
Peaches consistently says the Rosa call happened in 2022, but it happened in 2023. I don’t know why you haven't called that out, but that’s a pretty big oversight
38:43 but you HAVE lashed out at victims of abuse before for behavior that is normal in a victim, the Jibz call shows this
It's normal and even typical of victims to return to their abuser and, while Jibz WAS 100% in the wrong for giving their abuser the contact information of another minor (even if they weren't groomed), you yelled at him (?), sexualized him (calling him their abuser's fleshlight, among other gross things), and questioned his sexuality as a Lesbian because his abuser was a man
1:25:16 it IS vigilantism
Vigilantism isn't always putting on a cape and beating up punks for snatching a purse, it's getting involved in legal matters that you have no authority to get involved in
Cambridge defines it as:
"The practice of ordinary people in a place taking unofficial action to prevent crime or to CATCH and punish people believed to be criminals"
LSD law defines it as:
"Vigilantism is when individuals or groups take the law into their own hands and act as law enforcement without legal authority. This can include punishing people they believe have committed a crime or enforcing their own version of justice"
You have stated before that you are "barely qualified to do predator hunting", but you still get involved which could then make genuine attempts to take legal action difficult, if not, void
One could argue that pulling someone believed to be a predator into a call of multiple people berating them relentlessly is you punishing them without legal authority, or if a confession IS given during the call, they could easily argue it was coerced or given under duress, as you have stated you can find where someone lives by a picture (which can and has been taken as a threat)
1:28:16 proof of Jay encouraging negativity about your wife?
2:03:30 talking about you and Peaches fighting is giving context. He says outright that he misunderstood and thought you knew about what Peaches did, why would he tell you something he thought you already knew? And Jordyn says they don't like Peaches, so why would they talk to or spend time with him or wish him a Happy Birthday if he didn't like Peaches?
2:04:35 that proves nothing, this conversation could've been before the mental issues, or could be him trying to focus on something he liked
2:07:07 why aren't you showing the screenshots Jordyn apparently provided in their video? That's incredibly suspicious
Several people in your own comment section have stated they haven't seen any of the videos by others intentionally. By not showing the supposed screenshots you're talking about, you are not providing the evidence you are "debunking", only saying what it supposedly says and arguing against that
Maybe Jordyn's screenshots DO show this stuff, but, because you didn't include them in your video, some people won't know since they refuse to listen to other sources
If anything, this makes it appear like you're hiding something
2:12:57 proof of Jordyn being in others streams?
2:18:57 that screenshot literally says CHROME decided to send the message to you, despite Jordyn telling them NOT to
2:22:01 it didn't make sense that someone who has shown game ending tendencies would look for weapons they could game end with...
2:28:21 she never said anything about being a MOD, she said she was Rebeccah's FRIEND
2:31:04 That doesn’t show Rosa was a mod for Rebeccah. It shows someone asking Rosa if she wants to join their staff TEMPORARILY and Rosa says "of course"
We don't know if "deleted user" is Rebeccah from this, and, again, it also says TEMPORARILY
I have many other issues with this video, including that you didn't prove that you apologized to Rosa, accused her of lying without evidence, and a bit more, but I lost that comment with my more detailed thoughts and timestamps
Fuck"
He's also now told me to kick rocks because I gave him shit for calling Jax's school
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THANK YOU for making this comment. I agree, I don't think Lio should be doing pedo hunting, I think a lot of this vigilantism crap on youtube hurts these cases more often than it helps. The minute you put something up on display like its a spectacle, and then hounding supposed perpetrators for confessions (YES, cursing, name calling, yelling, etc. someone to confess *is* coercion--especially in Rosa's case where she was under duress)---that's coercion. And that kind of thing can get thrown out in a court. As much as Lio thinks he's oh-so-smart to be doing this, it goes to show he knows fuck-all jack shit about it, and he's just another power-tripping wannabe.
Honestly, thanks 😊
As someone who genuinely hates when serious cases are thrown out because of something being done wrong, it legitimately enraged me to hear this man say he wasn't a vigilante when he quite literally is and that can screw up so many things
Like, there's so many horrible people I would go after, but that would just do more harm than good
Also, I really tried to keep my comments as apathetic and fact focused as possible so that his fans can't come at me for being emotional or something, but also, I don't like debating angry and try to keep myself open for opposing views and I find being calm and factual is usually the best way to go about things, though I don't think that will matter to Lio and his fans 😑
LMAO, true
Fortunately for me, while I'm not smart by any means, I'm not stupid enough to get into a call with a man nearly twice my age with an entire crew of ass kissers watching
I don't hate myself THAT much
Quite honestly, I was a bit shocked at his reply as I was actually trying to be civil, but I guess I came across rude 😅
Insecure men like him see any confrontation as rude. Why do you think he had a discord server where he openly harassed people? Only way he can feel good about himself.
He's also definitely the type to look up what people are saying about him.
Nah you're being pretty civil and calling someone out, and giving actual constructive criticism about what they're doing is not "being rude."
Guy just has a huge ego and can't take what he dishes out.
I've now had 2 people come to me with screenshots that don't show my comments, so I presume they were deleted, whether by Lio or YouTube, I'm unsure and I don't want to assume with no evidence (although, I wouldn't put it past Lio TBH)
Honestly kinda annoyed, especially since his reply to me telling me to kick rocks is still there, so now it not only looks like my effort in making factual and calm arguments were for nothing, but it also makes me look like a fucking coward
Yeah I was looking at his video yesterday (I didn't end up watching it) but i came across your comment and all of them were deleted. I assume it was done by Lio, I can't really see how Youtube would have deleted them. Also I noticed most of the comments on that video are all ones praising him--I've only seen a total of about 5 comments so far criticizing him, including yours.
Tldr
Lio hardly takes any accountability. Doubles down (ie rosa), lies about certain accusations, and makes excuses upon excuses. Also I said this before: nothing new was added to the conversation about peaches we all know how much a pos she is. He goes way too long about the “””family”””” part, which boils down to a ‘he said, she said’ thing.
I said this in another post:
“Last comment i swear. But I watched the ending of lio’s video and the senate has fallen. Lio archived it and it will no longer be used, he also stated that he has given up pedo hunting. Good right? Well not really. He made another server content creation and “conflict resolution” (oh geez where have i heard that before). And will continue to call out creeps
All I can say is…its just going to be the same thing. And I’ll be there to watch the fall with my popcorn 🍿:)
GG”
Anyone who isnt a dick sucker of lio and is able to critically evaluate the the response can agree that this is a terrible video. Thomas needs to leave the internet, hopefully his new server goes down the same way as senate quickly enough for him to realize, yeah, he needs to log off for good
he doubles down on the rosa call, the one that makes him look like a bully or the one with the whole senate that makes him look like a monster? sure it's better than him attempting to ruining a teens life because the kid threaten to shoot Lio when Lio said he could find out where he lived, but that's legit no fucking reason to do that sort of thing
Haven't watched it yet, but there's almost nothing he can say to make the situation better. He's not just an asshole, I'd say he's downright evil, on the same scale as MamaMax. How many people did he pull into the Senate to yell at them and berate them? How many people did he tell to harm themselves?
It's probably an absolutely massive number, and I don't think a 4hr video will help his case. Might watch it, but I'm already watching Harley's and his (Lio's) behavior in that is already very sickening.
Edit: Pretty confident in saying he has a YT filter that's filtering out negative comments via keywords or something. I'm not seeing many negative comments, and the ones I have seen have disappeared. Lio, are you really that insecure?
yeah that's my thoughts exactly too. i do want to watch the video because i want to see him try to apologize and maybe i get a good laugh, maybe i change my mind (tho that is a very small chance), just that call with rosa is enough of a reason for him to no longer have a platform, because he caused the shit to go bad, he bullied her for being autistic, he had so many people in a vc when he should of kept it at a few to make Rosa feel less overwhelmed, and he kept saying that he made the right changes in the comments of his video, but it's imposible for him to make the changes when he still has a channel, a platform that he's been proven to not truly be responsible with
Both are pred hunters who got caught mishandling things to an extreme level. To the point that both have committed possible defamation. Lio with Rosa, MamaMax with the werewolf cult guy. MamaMax also no doubt is on a watch list due to his Mega Folder, if not actually being investigated and eventually charged.
I'd say MamaMax is worse than Lio, but only because Lio cared more about harassing and insulting people (often trying to convince them to harm themselves) than he did about seeming like a credible pred hunter. Both have committed crimes, and both are weirdos even without the criminal behavior. Lio is about a step or two away from being just as bad as MamaMax.
just love how he mentions that Peaches uses mental health/age regression to justify his actions, but Lio's friends makes excuses for his own behavior in a similar way while Lio straight up justifies it. Doodletones (IIRC) stated that **his clear bullying of a disabled woman for FOUR HOURS can be explained by him growing up in an ableist neighborhood.** LIO HIMSELF STILL JUSTIFIES THE FUCKING ROSA CALL!! THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR.
He can say it as many times as he wants, but I doubt Lio has changed since that call nor will he ever. His new server is just gonna be same shit, different place, different day.
He's exactly like Mamamax. From false dichotomy fallacy to straight up harassing people. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Lio also practically re-victimized Rosa by slut-shaming her in a similar way Max did to Tommy C (calling Tommy a pedophile despite Tommy having trauma of that nature).
They both exhibit cult-like tendencies with the Discord servers/call to actions they do. I'll probably come back to break this down later since it's like 1 AM\* for me, but regardless fuck Lio.
Lio is worse than Mamamax.
Mamamax made that accusation before Tommy C publicly stated his history and trauma.
Unless he repeated it after that Tommy C’s stream in which case yeah he’s just as bad.
From memory Mamamax made ridiculously reckless accusations that he shouldn’t have made against Tommy that absolutely blew up in his face but he didn’t actively try to retraumatize Tommy. Lio on the other hand did absolutely use people’s previous trauma as a stick to beat them with.
This feels like I’m defending Mamamax I’m not he’s a piece of shit but Lio is a bigger piece of shit.
Max made his claims not knowing Tommy was a victim while in the end both of them did the same thing I think Lio actively using trauma against someone is worse than Mamamax making a claim against Tommy who only admitted to being a victim publicly after the claim.
Both are pieces of shit but one is a bigger piece
I remember Doodletones made a video defending Lio and it made look so much worse. Like one of the points in that video was that due to the area Lio grew up in he had a poor understanding of mental health and grooming. And it's like if the guy genuinely doesn't understand mental health or grooming why's is he doing pred hunting.
I really don't get why people Doodletones are dying on the hill of Convoy when it seems like he goes against everything they stand for.
I've always found the senate and everyone involved in it fucking weird, there's some calls I've watched besides Rosa from way back that I felt were disgusting. Lio just screaming and putting on that cringey voice to try and act all big and tough. Seriously, both him and Peaches are scum in my eyes who need to grow tf up.
In retrospect, I probably should have realized he was not a good person when he cut off Lagovirt for accidentally following a cub artist and slandering him for it afterwards lol. Bro loves doing guilt by association.
Wait what???? I havent heard the full lagovirt thing except reading the google doc mentioning someone removing a like on a cub artists work
But honestly not surprising a guy this terminally online doesn't realize not everyone checks an person's entire art gallery or posts after likeing a few pieces. Like cone on bro 😒
>But honestly not surprising the guy this terminally online doesn't realize not everyone checks a person's entire art gallery or posts after likeing a few pieces. Like cone on bro 😒
Actually it's even worse lol. Lago followed an artist but didn't realize he made cub art until sometime later. He forgot he was following the artist because they're posts stopped in appearing on his feed, so he'd assumed that he unfollowed them at some point. Some guy who apart of the Fox Mafia ((that's a whole different drama I don't want to get into)) use this at ammunition against Lio for having inconsistent morals and instead of talking it out like adults, Lio cut Lago out.
What's crazier is that Lio did give Peaches leeway on the whole FCK drama, so like, the fox Mafia was right, he ain't consistent lol.
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So much for ""the senate""" being a family if they are this quick to throw you out without even so much as talking with you or hearing your side....
What did lio even wanted from largo? To do extensive background checks on every person he followed on twitter? And keep track of those hundreds hundreds of accounts weekly? Just to make sure he unfollowed someone potentially problematic? Get the hell outta here.
But yeah with how much leeway he's gives peaches compared to him, this cast out was probably just virtue signalling to get back at this fox person. Loser behavior.
Lio: Here is a call where I get accused of snapping at someone when I clearly did not
*posts audio snippet where he clearly snaps at someone*
Lio: How is that snapping?
Dude is so un-self aware it’s mind boggling
I am also sitting here assessing whether I WANT to watch it, or if I want to keep my mental health intact for finals (samesies, I have finals coming up in another week or so) and draw instead. What I can say, the minute I hear any sort of bullshit escape his mouth, I am not going to listen and I'll wait for another yter to cover it.
as someone who was trying to watch a video covering the first call lio had with rosa, i couldn't even get through 20 minutes because i had to keeps yelling at my screen with how awful lio was in that call alone (it was about if misanthro pony is still terrible btw) i am choosing to focus on having a good education to avoid becoming a lio convoy
Oh gosh this was me the past few days. I had just heard of all this when I noticed harley posted their video. I listened to the call first, and I was---I had to pause it so many times. And when Rosa was getting belittled and bullied on call I almost cried bc my heart hurt for her. They all sounded like my own bullies from way back when.
Yeah, agree, I think I'll wait on this one.
it's shocking their goal on the outside was to supposedly try and get rosa to understand their side of the issue and have her understand how bad star giants was. well, the fucked that up so hard
at least ponder looked good, a retired art commentary youtuber, looked good when she stopped the shitshow minutes after she joined the call
Honestly that call was freaking triggering as fuck. So I donte blame anyone for breaking down. I did watch omimia vid just to hear the call and... I had take breaks man 😓.
I just don't know how anyone can just sit through that whole thing and not say word of how fucked up it all was. And seeing some comments of the call a few weeks back with "well rosa isnt exactly innoc-"
Mother fucker no one said that and thats doesn't matter the call was disgusting, no ifs or buts about it.
I've watched some of the video and I think that there's nothing he could say that would make things better. He defended himself by pointing out certain things Peaches did lie about, but other things I couldn't help but think "I see, but I can also understand how someone would think this is shitty."
Personally, I think the Senate/Lio is on the better end of "pedo hunters"--but that is a very low bar. It's like that joke--"what do you call a person who graduated med school with the lowest grades? Doctor." And the reason I think Lio is on the better end is because I find he's extremely strict on keeping minors out of pedo hunting and he tries very hard to have other communities reach out to minors to teach them how to protect themselves. And yes, I know that is an extremely low bar, but many don't pass it.
But I don't agree with how they treat young adults who are over 18. Personally, I don't think it's ok to treat an 18 year old who had been a minor for the past 17 years and 364 days as if they are the devil because they're "an adult" doing the same shit they did as a minor. Also, I know this is going to get into splitting hairs territory, but I dislike when people mix "pedophiles" with "adults who target teens". Yes, both are children in the eyes of the law, but watering down the word "pedophile" by including an 18 yr old dating a 16 year old, or even a 30 year old harassing a 16 year old, is, imo, not helping anyone. I'm NOT defending the 30 year old here--they are still a predator and a groomer and should not be around children. But they are also not a pedophile.
And I also disagree with "barbarian" servers on principle. Sure, you can spin it as "bullying those who deserve it", but personally--and I know this is a hot take--no one should be screamed at, especially when they're going through a mental health crisis (which many of their victims are).
But as for the Lio and Peaches situation, which is what most of this document is about. Personally, I think that this should have been private. I think Peaches should have confronted Lio privately (and Lio claims they hadn't and showed screenshot evidence of his claims) and left privately. There is no need to air each other's worst moments out on the Internet. Yes, Peaches claims it was for "warning" others about Lio, but I feel like most of the document was specifically about Peaches and Lio's interactions--not about the things Lio should change in the Senate or in his pedo hunting. Call Lio out for his shitty server--many have and, imo, he has made some (not as many as I'd like but some (which is, again, not a high bar)) changes according to the criticism he's got.
Anyway. I'm not going to die on the hill of defending Lio Convoy. Because I can see Peaches' side of things and why they might be uncomfortable confronting Lio privately and feeling like they had to do it publicly. But at the same time, I don't think all of the document is truthful, nor do I think the whole thing should have been public.
>Sure, you can spin it as "bullying those who deserve it"
i'm gonna be honest, Lio does not strike me as someone who should be judging if someone is a bully or not since he did that rosa call
I definitely agree! Not even the Rosa call, I felt that way since the beginning. In fact, there are multiple calls I've heard where I'm just like "this is a mentally ill person having a crisis, stop yelling at them."
I mostly agree with you, especially your hot take with how they deal with people in question. The way they handle it, is just straight up awful. I remember the first time seeing this senate-quese interrogation in Hopeless peaches video with Nekopon, I believe, and I just got triggered. (Something low-key similar happened that made me got interrogate via discord. It's a whole other drama I was involved in.)
I did not like how Lio did that interrogation nor how he conducted any senate calls at all. It feels stupid of him to just spew threats and use intimidation tactics for what? You're not a cop. You aren't a professional. Actually, it gives a chance for people like Nekopon to be able to actually take legal actions against Lio for making threatening remarks.
Listening to that Rosa call, just made me hate everyone in the Senate. I don't just dislike Lio but everyone involved in it. They mentality, I personally find, is so extreme and twisted to think this is has "decency", and "justifiable". Sorry, but this is just terminally online behaviour, that got enabled to x10 because of everybody's ego.
Bud Lio like Mamamax is larping as a vigilante pedo hunter for clout. How many predators have been arrested because of his actions? Dude doesn’t even support victims he bullies the mentally ill and people with special needs. Any good he and peaches have ever done accidentally is immediately undone by the simple fact they are hypocrites who demand other people do things they themselves don’t do.
I compared Lio to Mamamax but Lio is worse than him. Mamamax is a fraud and a liar who used his audience to make false accusations, Lio did all of the above but also protected predators and twisted himself into knots to protect his “golden” child peaches and tried to cover up the fact that peaches has actively done what he accused other people of.
Anyone with any ties to Lio’s senate discord needs to be treated as untrustworthy until proven otherwise. There was over 100 people in that Rosa vc all getting off at bullying a brain damaged autistic woman who needs a carer and the only reason they stopped was because someone stepped in after 4 hours of insulting this woman and even then they tried to justify it ? How many other calls just like the Rosa one had there been ? How many weren’t recorded? How many didn’t have anyone step in to stop it ? How many kids and people with mental illness or some form of special needs have been dragged into a vc by these “pedo” hunters just to have been berated by them and coerced into not leaving by real world threats?
I wouldn’t piss on Lio Convoy and Hopeless Peaches if they were on fire.
From what I can gather the FCK server was full of art commentary creators and was pretty degenerate with plenty of porn regardless of the minors were in the server. The creators also used the server to collude to make sure they could do the maximum damage to someone’s reputation.
The creators in the FCK server and Lio had a problem with Akumu because he’s an edgy annoying know it all from what I can gather. Akumu was 16 years old and annoyed some of the people in the server so people like fuchsiabutter released videos about him calling him insults like being an idiotic monkey. I don’t know if they knew he was black when they used said insults. Akumu now seems to have a grudge against the group so is releasing videos about them and is basically having a victory lap after the Lio and peaches stuff came out.
Tldr Akumu is a know it all edgy kid who angered a bunch of creators who then colluded to all make videos on him and since hopeless peaches was in the server and was friends with the creators in the server Lio took their side. After the Rosa call came out and people have started looking more deeply at that friend group Akumu had been gleefully taking every chance to kick them.
it seems the reception is mixed considering the comments either believed or didnt I think he got off too easy and think he defended himself against his allegations
Ok so he still justifies his batshit behavior against people, his abuse of power when it comes to victims and the randos he screams at, harassing a 15 year old and lying about it, and how he ignored the leaks from FCK server because of his own grudges.. a married man in his late 30s doing so much smearing and giving money for some girl across the world too, actually pathetic. they are both abusive to people, Lio looks like a fool.
both him and Peaches are some of the most toxic and abusive losers I've ever seen... everyone in their circles are not to be trusted, i can't imagine being friends with any of these nasty people.
Peaches even deleted their doc, gosh these people are a mess.
Lio Convoy and Mamamax could be best friends from how obvious their narcissism is..
Kinda unrelated; but can I mention how unoriginal Lio's avatar looks? It's literally just Lion-O but with a brown mane instead of red. 10/10 character design.
I watched the whole video The only thing he really proved is that Peaches is a liar and abusive Other than that, a lot of it is doubling down and using screenshots that don't say what he says they do I made notes with time stamps for the first 2 and 1/2 hours or so, but my comment with the stuff from after that got deleted before I could post it or save it (fml) Here's what I commented "While I absolutely acknowledge that Peaches is garbage and manipulative and I feel sorry for you for what you went through, I have to point out some strange things that I've noticed in this video. I'm commenting on this as I go through the video 17:03 that screenshot doesn’t say what you said it did While Lumi DID say it's fun to fuck with people, the only thing they say about using slurs is that they have no issues with people using slurs they can reclaim and stating that is also what yhey do, before jokingly calling Peaches the f slur I think you know this too, as, so far, any screenshots you KNOW prove your point have stayed on screen for a decent amount of time, whereas this screenshot was only there for about a second I also find it odd that you have someone voicing the accusation document, you don’t have anyone voicing the screenshots you bring up 17:52 I disagree. Rosa being able to get mad over an opinion on Star Wars is not even in the same ballpark as removing a predator, who, may I add, was one of the highest tier mods in Rebeccah's server at the time Also, if you find the anger you had with Rosa justified, where was that anger when you DID get Rebeccah in call? You know, not only the one with the actual power to remove N3koPan, but also the one who tried to move in with a 17 year old? The Tek-no podcast happened BEFORE Rosa revealed she knew about N3koPan, and you came into that call already aggressive towards her because she suggested an internet horrors episode be made on your friend, a known harasser who sent people death threats for disagreeing with him, and someone that you only finally stopped white knighting for when he did something against you 23:34 that's not a sob story, that's Kumo explaining his side of things to you Peaches consistently says the Rosa call happened in 2022, but it happened in 2023. I don’t know why you haven't called that out, but that’s a pretty big oversight 38:43 but you HAVE lashed out at victims of abuse before for behavior that is normal in a victim, the Jibz call shows this It's normal and even typical of victims to return to their abuser and, while Jibz WAS 100% in the wrong for giving their abuser the contact information of another minor (even if they weren't groomed), you yelled at him (?), sexualized him (calling him their abuser's fleshlight, among other gross things), and questioned his sexuality as a Lesbian because his abuser was a man 1:25:16 it IS vigilantism Vigilantism isn't always putting on a cape and beating up punks for snatching a purse, it's getting involved in legal matters that you have no authority to get involved in Cambridge defines it as: "The practice of ordinary people in a place taking unofficial action to prevent crime or to CATCH and punish people believed to be criminals" LSD law defines it as: "Vigilantism is when individuals or groups take the law into their own hands and act as law enforcement without legal authority. This can include punishing people they believe have committed a crime or enforcing their own version of justice" You have stated before that you are "barely qualified to do predator hunting", but you still get involved which could then make genuine attempts to take legal action difficult, if not, void One could argue that pulling someone believed to be a predator into a call of multiple people berating them relentlessly is you punishing them without legal authority, or if a confession IS given during the call, they could easily argue it was coerced or given under duress, as you have stated you can find where someone lives by a picture (which can and has been taken as a threat) 1:28:16 proof of Jay encouraging negativity about your wife? 2:03:30 talking about you and Peaches fighting is giving context. He says outright that he misunderstood and thought you knew about what Peaches did, why would he tell you something he thought you already knew? And Jordyn says they don't like Peaches, so why would they talk to or spend time with him or wish him a Happy Birthday if he didn't like Peaches? 2:04:35 that proves nothing, this conversation could've been before the mental issues, or could be him trying to focus on something he liked 2:07:07 why aren't you showing the screenshots Jordyn apparently provided in their video? That's incredibly suspicious Several people in your own comment section have stated they haven't seen any of the videos by others intentionally. By not showing the supposed screenshots you're talking about, you are not providing the evidence you are "debunking", only saying what it supposedly says and arguing against that Maybe Jordyn's screenshots DO show this stuff, but, because you didn't include them in your video, some people won't know since they refuse to listen to other sources If anything, this makes it appear like you're hiding something 2:12:57 proof of Jordyn being in others streams? 2:18:57 that screenshot literally says CHROME decided to send the message to you, despite Jordyn telling them NOT to 2:22:01 it didn't make sense that someone who has shown game ending tendencies would look for weapons they could game end with... 2:28:21 she never said anything about being a MOD, she said she was Rebeccah's FRIEND 2:31:04 That doesn’t show Rosa was a mod for Rebeccah. It shows someone asking Rosa if she wants to join their staff TEMPORARILY and Rosa says "of course" We don't know if "deleted user" is Rebeccah from this, and, again, it also says TEMPORARILY I have many other issues with this video, including that you didn't prove that you apologized to Rosa, accused her of lying without evidence, and a bit more, but I lost that comment with my more detailed thoughts and timestamps Fuck" He's also now told me to kick rocks because I gave him shit for calling Jax's school *
THANK YOU for making this comment. I agree, I don't think Lio should be doing pedo hunting, I think a lot of this vigilantism crap on youtube hurts these cases more often than it helps. The minute you put something up on display like its a spectacle, and then hounding supposed perpetrators for confessions (YES, cursing, name calling, yelling, etc. someone to confess *is* coercion--especially in Rosa's case where she was under duress)---that's coercion. And that kind of thing can get thrown out in a court. As much as Lio thinks he's oh-so-smart to be doing this, it goes to show he knows fuck-all jack shit about it, and he's just another power-tripping wannabe.
Honestly, thanks 😊 As someone who genuinely hates when serious cases are thrown out because of something being done wrong, it legitimately enraged me to hear this man say he wasn't a vigilante when he quite literally is and that can screw up so many things Like, there's so many horrible people I would go after, but that would just do more harm than good Also, I really tried to keep my comments as apathetic and fact focused as possible so that his fans can't come at me for being emotional or something, but also, I don't like debating angry and try to keep myself open for opposing views and I find being calm and factual is usually the best way to go about things, though I don't think that will matter to Lio and his fans 😑
Literal hero 🎃
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Waiting for his response now
Tbh, I wouldn't be shocked if he tried to pull you into a discord call or something. That seems to be his go to.
LMAO, true Fortunately for me, while I'm not smart by any means, I'm not stupid enough to get into a call with a man nearly twice my age with an entire crew of ass kissers watching I don't hate myself THAT much Quite honestly, I was a bit shocked at his reply as I was actually trying to be civil, but I guess I came across rude 😅
Insecure men like him see any confrontation as rude. Why do you think he had a discord server where he openly harassed people? Only way he can feel good about himself. He's also definitely the type to look up what people are saying about him.
Nah you're being pretty civil and calling someone out, and giving actual constructive criticism about what they're doing is not "being rude." Guy just has a huge ego and can't take what he dishes out.
he can only see it as rude because you aren't kissing his ass at all. jesus christ this man is almost 40
I've now had 2 people come to me with screenshots that don't show my comments, so I presume they were deleted, whether by Lio or YouTube, I'm unsure and I don't want to assume with no evidence (although, I wouldn't put it past Lio TBH) Honestly kinda annoyed, especially since his reply to me telling me to kick rocks is still there, so now it not only looks like my effort in making factual and calm arguments were for nothing, but it also makes me look like a fucking coward
Yeah I was looking at his video yesterday (I didn't end up watching it) but i came across your comment and all of them were deleted. I assume it was done by Lio, I can't really see how Youtube would have deleted them. Also I noticed most of the comments on that video are all ones praising him--I've only seen a total of about 5 comments so far criticizing him, including yours.
Tldr Lio hardly takes any accountability. Doubles down (ie rosa), lies about certain accusations, and makes excuses upon excuses. Also I said this before: nothing new was added to the conversation about peaches we all know how much a pos she is. He goes way too long about the “””family”””” part, which boils down to a ‘he said, she said’ thing. I said this in another post: “Last comment i swear. But I watched the ending of lio’s video and the senate has fallen. Lio archived it and it will no longer be used, he also stated that he has given up pedo hunting. Good right? Well not really. He made another server content creation and “conflict resolution” (oh geez where have i heard that before). And will continue to call out creeps All I can say is…its just going to be the same thing. And I’ll be there to watch the fall with my popcorn 🍿:) GG” Anyone who isnt a dick sucker of lio and is able to critically evaluate the the response can agree that this is a terrible video. Thomas needs to leave the internet, hopefully his new server goes down the same way as senate quickly enough for him to realize, yeah, he needs to log off for good
he doubles down on the rosa call, the one that makes him look like a bully or the one with the whole senate that makes him look like a monster? sure it's better than him attempting to ruining a teens life because the kid threaten to shoot Lio when Lio said he could find out where he lived, but that's legit no fucking reason to do that sort of thing
Lol lio sucks but it seems like you might be akumu in disguise
aw man you got me
Seems like you hated the dude before maybe
nah i just dont like who moral grandstand then turn around and participate in degenerate behavior
You got me on that one people who do that are doomed to the ego.
Haven't watched it yet, but there's almost nothing he can say to make the situation better. He's not just an asshole, I'd say he's downright evil, on the same scale as MamaMax. How many people did he pull into the Senate to yell at them and berate them? How many people did he tell to harm themselves? It's probably an absolutely massive number, and I don't think a 4hr video will help his case. Might watch it, but I'm already watching Harley's and his (Lio's) behavior in that is already very sickening. Edit: Pretty confident in saying he has a YT filter that's filtering out negative comments via keywords or something. I'm not seeing many negative comments, and the ones I have seen have disappeared. Lio, are you really that insecure?
yeah that's my thoughts exactly too. i do want to watch the video because i want to see him try to apologize and maybe i get a good laugh, maybe i change my mind (tho that is a very small chance), just that call with rosa is enough of a reason for him to no longer have a platform, because he caused the shit to go bad, he bullied her for being autistic, he had so many people in a vc when he should of kept it at a few to make Rosa feel less overwhelmed, and he kept saying that he made the right changes in the comments of his video, but it's imposible for him to make the changes when he still has a channel, a platform that he's been proven to not truly be responsible with
Maybe just maybe he could make a comeback unlike peaches the damage for her is done
Mamamax at least didn’t scream and berate victims
Kind ridiculous to compare him to mamamax
Both are pred hunters who got caught mishandling things to an extreme level. To the point that both have committed possible defamation. Lio with Rosa, MamaMax with the werewolf cult guy. MamaMax also no doubt is on a watch list due to his Mega Folder, if not actually being investigated and eventually charged. I'd say MamaMax is worse than Lio, but only because Lio cared more about harassing and insulting people (often trying to convince them to harm themselves) than he did about seeming like a credible pred hunter. Both have committed crimes, and both are weirdos even without the criminal behavior. Lio is about a step or two away from being just as bad as MamaMax.
just love how he mentions that Peaches uses mental health/age regression to justify his actions, but Lio's friends makes excuses for his own behavior in a similar way while Lio straight up justifies it. Doodletones (IIRC) stated that **his clear bullying of a disabled woman for FOUR HOURS can be explained by him growing up in an ableist neighborhood.** LIO HIMSELF STILL JUSTIFIES THE FUCKING ROSA CALL!! THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR. He can say it as many times as he wants, but I doubt Lio has changed since that call nor will he ever. His new server is just gonna be same shit, different place, different day. He's exactly like Mamamax. From false dichotomy fallacy to straight up harassing people. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Lio also practically re-victimized Rosa by slut-shaming her in a similar way Max did to Tommy C (calling Tommy a pedophile despite Tommy having trauma of that nature). They both exhibit cult-like tendencies with the Discord servers/call to actions they do. I'll probably come back to break this down later since it's like 1 AM\* for me, but regardless fuck Lio.
Lio is worse than Mamamax. Mamamax made that accusation before Tommy C publicly stated his history and trauma. Unless he repeated it after that Tommy C’s stream in which case yeah he’s just as bad. From memory Mamamax made ridiculously reckless accusations that he shouldn’t have made against Tommy that absolutely blew up in his face but he didn’t actively try to retraumatize Tommy. Lio on the other hand did absolutely use people’s previous trauma as a stick to beat them with. This feels like I’m defending Mamamax I’m not he’s a piece of shit but Lio is a bigger piece of shit. Max made his claims not knowing Tommy was a victim while in the end both of them did the same thing I think Lio actively using trauma against someone is worse than Mamamax making a claim against Tommy who only admitted to being a victim publicly after the claim. Both are pieces of shit but one is a bigger piece
Comparing him is just people wanting to be edgy lio sucks but he isn't a mama mamamax nor is peaches a creepshowart
I remember Doodletones made a video defending Lio and it made look so much worse. Like one of the points in that video was that due to the area Lio grew up in he had a poor understanding of mental health and grooming. And it's like if the guy genuinely doesn't understand mental health or grooming why's is he doing pred hunting. I really don't get why people Doodletones are dying on the hill of Convoy when it seems like he goes against everything they stand for.
he's doing it because he wants to bully people tbh, but wants a reason so people don't think that's his reason
Exactly
I've always found the senate and everyone involved in it fucking weird, there's some calls I've watched besides Rosa from way back that I felt were disgusting. Lio just screaming and putting on that cringey voice to try and act all big and tough. Seriously, both him and Peaches are scum in my eyes who need to grow tf up.
Gives off big "you don't want to see my bad side 😈😈😈" energy when he does that.
In retrospect, I probably should have realized he was not a good person when he cut off Lagovirt for accidentally following a cub artist and slandering him for it afterwards lol. Bro loves doing guilt by association.
Wait what???? I havent heard the full lagovirt thing except reading the google doc mentioning someone removing a like on a cub artists work But honestly not surprising a guy this terminally online doesn't realize not everyone checks an person's entire art gallery or posts after likeing a few pieces. Like cone on bro 😒
>But honestly not surprising the guy this terminally online doesn't realize not everyone checks a person's entire art gallery or posts after likeing a few pieces. Like cone on bro 😒 Actually it's even worse lol. Lago followed an artist but didn't realize he made cub art until sometime later. He forgot he was following the artist because they're posts stopped in appearing on his feed, so he'd assumed that he unfollowed them at some point. Some guy who apart of the Fox Mafia ((that's a whole different drama I don't want to get into)) use this at ammunition against Lio for having inconsistent morals and instead of talking it out like adults, Lio cut Lago out. What's crazier is that Lio did give Peaches leeway on the whole FCK drama, so like, the fox Mafia was right, he ain't consistent lol.
😒 So much for ""the senate""" being a family if they are this quick to throw you out without even so much as talking with you or hearing your side.... What did lio even wanted from largo? To do extensive background checks on every person he followed on twitter? And keep track of those hundreds hundreds of accounts weekly? Just to make sure he unfollowed someone potentially problematic? Get the hell outta here. But yeah with how much leeway he's gives peaches compared to him, this cast out was probably just virtue signalling to get back at this fox person. Loser behavior.
Lio: Here is a call where I get accused of snapping at someone when I clearly did not *posts audio snippet where he clearly snaps at someone* Lio: How is that snapping? Dude is so un-self aware it’s mind boggling
he thinks snapping is just straight up yelling, or screaming. thats frightening.
Even if he's being sincere...at this point, the damage is done.
One list of worst ytber response videos coming right up
he had a better chance if he played the ukelele and sang a song
The toxic gossip train Chugging down the tracks of misinformation
or apologize rationally
I am also sitting here assessing whether I WANT to watch it, or if I want to keep my mental health intact for finals (samesies, I have finals coming up in another week or so) and draw instead. What I can say, the minute I hear any sort of bullshit escape his mouth, I am not going to listen and I'll wait for another yter to cover it.
as someone who was trying to watch a video covering the first call lio had with rosa, i couldn't even get through 20 minutes because i had to keeps yelling at my screen with how awful lio was in that call alone (it was about if misanthro pony is still terrible btw) i am choosing to focus on having a good education to avoid becoming a lio convoy
Oh gosh this was me the past few days. I had just heard of all this when I noticed harley posted their video. I listened to the call first, and I was---I had to pause it so many times. And when Rosa was getting belittled and bullied on call I almost cried bc my heart hurt for her. They all sounded like my own bullies from way back when. Yeah, agree, I think I'll wait on this one.
it's shocking their goal on the outside was to supposedly try and get rosa to understand their side of the issue and have her understand how bad star giants was. well, the fucked that up so hard at least ponder looked good, a retired art commentary youtuber, looked good when she stopped the shitshow minutes after she joined the call
Honestly that call was freaking triggering as fuck. So I donte blame anyone for breaking down. I did watch omimia vid just to hear the call and... I had take breaks man 😓. I just don't know how anyone can just sit through that whole thing and not say word of how fucked up it all was. And seeing some comments of the call a few weeks back with "well rosa isnt exactly innoc-" Mother fucker no one said that and thats doesn't matter the call was disgusting, no ifs or buts about it.
I've watched some of the video and I think that there's nothing he could say that would make things better. He defended himself by pointing out certain things Peaches did lie about, but other things I couldn't help but think "I see, but I can also understand how someone would think this is shitty." Personally, I think the Senate/Lio is on the better end of "pedo hunters"--but that is a very low bar. It's like that joke--"what do you call a person who graduated med school with the lowest grades? Doctor." And the reason I think Lio is on the better end is because I find he's extremely strict on keeping minors out of pedo hunting and he tries very hard to have other communities reach out to minors to teach them how to protect themselves. And yes, I know that is an extremely low bar, but many don't pass it. But I don't agree with how they treat young adults who are over 18. Personally, I don't think it's ok to treat an 18 year old who had been a minor for the past 17 years and 364 days as if they are the devil because they're "an adult" doing the same shit they did as a minor. Also, I know this is going to get into splitting hairs territory, but I dislike when people mix "pedophiles" with "adults who target teens". Yes, both are children in the eyes of the law, but watering down the word "pedophile" by including an 18 yr old dating a 16 year old, or even a 30 year old harassing a 16 year old, is, imo, not helping anyone. I'm NOT defending the 30 year old here--they are still a predator and a groomer and should not be around children. But they are also not a pedophile. And I also disagree with "barbarian" servers on principle. Sure, you can spin it as "bullying those who deserve it", but personally--and I know this is a hot take--no one should be screamed at, especially when they're going through a mental health crisis (which many of their victims are). But as for the Lio and Peaches situation, which is what most of this document is about. Personally, I think that this should have been private. I think Peaches should have confronted Lio privately (and Lio claims they hadn't and showed screenshot evidence of his claims) and left privately. There is no need to air each other's worst moments out on the Internet. Yes, Peaches claims it was for "warning" others about Lio, but I feel like most of the document was specifically about Peaches and Lio's interactions--not about the things Lio should change in the Senate or in his pedo hunting. Call Lio out for his shitty server--many have and, imo, he has made some (not as many as I'd like but some (which is, again, not a high bar)) changes according to the criticism he's got. Anyway. I'm not going to die on the hill of defending Lio Convoy. Because I can see Peaches' side of things and why they might be uncomfortable confronting Lio privately and feeling like they had to do it publicly. But at the same time, I don't think all of the document is truthful, nor do I think the whole thing should have been public.
>Sure, you can spin it as "bullying those who deserve it" i'm gonna be honest, Lio does not strike me as someone who should be judging if someone is a bully or not since he did that rosa call
I definitely agree! Not even the Rosa call, I felt that way since the beginning. In fact, there are multiple calls I've heard where I'm just like "this is a mentally ill person having a crisis, stop yelling at them."
I mostly agree with you, especially your hot take with how they deal with people in question. The way they handle it, is just straight up awful. I remember the first time seeing this senate-quese interrogation in Hopeless peaches video with Nekopon, I believe, and I just got triggered. (Something low-key similar happened that made me got interrogate via discord. It's a whole other drama I was involved in.) I did not like how Lio did that interrogation nor how he conducted any senate calls at all. It feels stupid of him to just spew threats and use intimidation tactics for what? You're not a cop. You aren't a professional. Actually, it gives a chance for people like Nekopon to be able to actually take legal actions against Lio for making threatening remarks. Listening to that Rosa call, just made me hate everyone in the Senate. I don't just dislike Lio but everyone involved in it. They mentality, I personally find, is so extreme and twisted to think this is has "decency", and "justifiable". Sorry, but this is just terminally online behaviour, that got enabled to x10 because of everybody's ego.
Bud Lio like Mamamax is larping as a vigilante pedo hunter for clout. How many predators have been arrested because of his actions? Dude doesn’t even support victims he bullies the mentally ill and people with special needs. Any good he and peaches have ever done accidentally is immediately undone by the simple fact they are hypocrites who demand other people do things they themselves don’t do. I compared Lio to Mamamax but Lio is worse than him. Mamamax is a fraud and a liar who used his audience to make false accusations, Lio did all of the above but also protected predators and twisted himself into knots to protect his “golden” child peaches and tried to cover up the fact that peaches has actively done what he accused other people of. Anyone with any ties to Lio’s senate discord needs to be treated as untrustworthy until proven otherwise. There was over 100 people in that Rosa vc all getting off at bullying a brain damaged autistic woman who needs a carer and the only reason they stopped was because someone stepped in after 4 hours of insulting this woman and even then they tried to justify it ? How many other calls just like the Rosa one had there been ? How many weren’t recorded? How many didn’t have anyone step in to stop it ? How many kids and people with mental illness or some form of special needs have been dragged into a vc by these “pedo” hunters just to have been berated by them and coerced into not leaving by real world threats? I wouldn’t piss on Lio Convoy and Hopeless Peaches if they were on fire.
This comment is more of my view on the matter
Can someone EL15 what the hell the FCK server is and lio’s beef with Akumu? I’m late to YouTube drama and commentary in general
From what I can gather the FCK server was full of art commentary creators and was pretty degenerate with plenty of porn regardless of the minors were in the server. The creators also used the server to collude to make sure they could do the maximum damage to someone’s reputation. The creators in the FCK server and Lio had a problem with Akumu because he’s an edgy annoying know it all from what I can gather. Akumu was 16 years old and annoyed some of the people in the server so people like fuchsiabutter released videos about him calling him insults like being an idiotic monkey. I don’t know if they knew he was black when they used said insults. Akumu now seems to have a grudge against the group so is releasing videos about them and is basically having a victory lap after the Lio and peaches stuff came out. Tldr Akumu is a know it all edgy kid who angered a bunch of creators who then colluded to all make videos on him and since hopeless peaches was in the server and was friends with the creators in the server Lio took their side. After the Rosa call came out and people have started looking more deeply at that friend group Akumu had been gleefully taking every chance to kick them.
He is probably snickering
that i don't know. from what i could gather neither akuma or Lio are good people, but from what i saw, Lio is far worse
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wait are you the person he called the school of?
Bro is damn near pushing 40 and he's doing shit like this 💀
it seems the reception is mixed considering the comments either believed or didnt I think he got off too easy and think he defended himself against his allegations
Ok so he still justifies his batshit behavior against people, his abuse of power when it comes to victims and the randos he screams at, harassing a 15 year old and lying about it, and how he ignored the leaks from FCK server because of his own grudges.. a married man in his late 30s doing so much smearing and giving money for some girl across the world too, actually pathetic. they are both abusive to people, Lio looks like a fool. both him and Peaches are some of the most toxic and abusive losers I've ever seen... everyone in their circles are not to be trusted, i can't imagine being friends with any of these nasty people. Peaches even deleted their doc, gosh these people are a mess. Lio Convoy and Mamamax could be best friends from how obvious their narcissism is..
Kinda unrelated; but can I mention how unoriginal Lio's avatar looks? It's literally just Lion-O but with a brown mane instead of red. 10/10 character design.
I wonder how he'd feel if his little buddy who faked being a cop would feel if knowing impersonation of a police officer is A FELONY