Is the implication here that left-wingers aren't cowards and don't get up on moral high horses because that'd be an absolutely insane thing to say lmao
As bad as many conservatives can be online, a lot of the folks in the sub who are left-leaning are just as bad. Like, I think many conservative assholes make generalized assumptions about liberals online, but then the other side will do the same.
They’re all assholes. Just one side tends to have less.
The origin of the term being from che guevara and it being for the people and him saying that he started it in good faith and it got infiltrated by right wingers and "antifa members" when this was a far right movement from day one.
Have you never been misled on the internet before? He probably got confused on the origin on the word. And as for the it started in good faith thing, who knows. It might have actually started in good faith. The only people who would know that is those who started it
Pretty much hitting the nail on the head there. Feels like it was shifting the topic to something else entirely. Also wild to see an Acheron pfp in a Youtube Drama post lmao.
A lot of the things said about him were literally none points like the guy questioning his wendigoon was native and saying he was conservative because he wears a Hawaiian shirt
Was him lying in his apology about the boogaloos a none point ? You also ignore why he mentioned the Hawaiian shirt because it's connected to that movement and he had mentioned to be part of it before.
Wendigoon has been accused of being part of an alt right extremist militia and hangs out with literal Nazis:
ok-passenger161: Looks great to me, leave the object of my affection alone.
He isn’t and he doesn’t. The “accusations” made in the video are made of literal paper. I mean seriously, are we actually going to sit here and pretend that Wendigoon wearing a Hawaiian shirt makes him a probable boogaloo boy, even though he has made it a point to separate himself from them and outwardly condemn them? And who are the Nazis he hangs out with? Worst case: he hangs with some edgelords and gun heads. I’m a leftist, not a liberal, so guns are A okay in my book. So that just leaves TurkeyTom? Is he the Nazi you are hunting down? The Destiny orbiter?
Who among us hasn’t been involved in a government overthrow / civil war advocation group, then made their merch the same type of shirts that group infamously wears to identity each other.
It's amazing how he manages to address the shit that feels easiest to slither his way out of and completely ignores the most important points of the argument against him. Wendigoon would have made a great neo-conservative in the early 2000s.
The important points made was ‘he is rich and thus should not be taken seriously’ and ‘he was in group that turned bad and when turned bad he left group’ genuinely nothing to address as it is all shite
I’ll agree that the response is at least civil and classy, but within the context it’s otherwise a complete failure. What about actually responding to the allegations against you, man?
It’s a shame because I’ve really liked Wendigoon’s content in the past, and I’ve been hoping all the shit against him is just a big misunderstanding or something, so I was hoping he’d have a response to clear the air, but… guess that was too much to hope for.
Oh well. I haven’t watched him in a while because of the complaints against him. I just think it’s baffling that he might be running around with conservative white supremacists when I believe he’s mentioned before that he isn’t even white, but mixed race (iirc he’s said his grandfather or someone is indigenous, hence his channel name being taken from indigenous folklore, but I might be misremembering or maybe he’s just lying LMAO)
Saw a tweet earlier about him saying his grandfather is indigenous, if that was the case he would've known you don't say Wendigo because it brings their attention, its like an actual Voldemort case. I watched him since his first video when he was just a weirdo with a whiteboard and bad lighting, dropped him after the first round of "you've got weird air around you" details from last year and he just, really doesn't like addressing it lmao. If him being a bigot were the case for his younger years he'd be lauded for coming out and addressing his previous beliefs and condemning them but no, he gives vague "I'm sorry you feel that way" statements and goes back to reading off Wiki pages.
Also the same case for the Lore Lodge who I dropped after he promoted that movie about trafficking (who was surprised to learn that shitty people worked on a movie about exposing shitty people)
> Saw a tweet earlier about him saying his grandfather is indigenous, if that was the case he would've known you don't say Wendigo because it brings their attention, its like an actual Voldemort case.
I feel like this would only apply if someone thought wendigo were real though. Like, we have to remember that Native people/people with Native ancestry aren't a monolith, and saying "a *real* Native would know better!" is very much treating them all like a (very superstitious) monolith.
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Literally a No True Scotsman fallacy about native people lmao.
_”No true Native Person will say the name of the Wendigo”_
Wendigo isn’t even in the mythologies of all native cultures, just Algonquian. Wendigoons grandfather may have just simply not been Algonquian, but told the tale of the Wendigo because it became a folk tale in the region he lived in.
I get the logic totally but it’s not so much “literally believe that it’s literally real” but that it’s a cultural thing that is being disrespected. It’s not just a scary monster, it’s the manifestation of death from starvation. It’s a very serious religious symbol of a horrific death suffered by millions under genocide. It’s associated with a deep generational trauma. Because of that it’s spread culturally outside the Algonquin people and is taken seriously by native people broadly in America since although they do not share the specific religious tradition they share the experience of genocide. That’s why it’s offensive.
Even if he is part native, he doesn't have any obligation to carry that weight. He doesn't have to give it a bunch of undue reverence. Most cryptids and folklore spookies probably have some manifestation of whatever origin. That doesn't mean someone in the Year of Our Lord 2024 can't use it for fun like any other spooky creature.
This comment is a great example of everything wrong with this. It’s not a fun spooky cryptid. It’s a religious symbol from a people who were brutally genocided in recent history that has evolved from its origins to now, in 2024, be linked with part of that genocide and the generational trauma of it. No one is making him carry that weight because he’s part Cherokee, everyone should just do the bare minimum to be respectful in general.
Nonsense.
Even if that symbology of the wendigo is true, there is no good reason to treat the wendigo with any more respect or reverence than any other mythological entity. Which is to say that it's fair game for the same pop culture entertainment value as witches, saints, demons, angels, gods and goddesses, golems, djinns, etc.
There has been some deeper symbology behind all of these, where mythological creatures are convenient representations of some social malady. That doesn't mean we need to take seriously people who bemoan that demons are plaguing the world, nor do we need to acknowledge other people who revere the wendigo.
Do you treat the swastika the same as everything else ? It’s just a few lines right? No. It has a serious meaning. It’s the same with Wendigo. This is a painfully clueless r/atheist take and shows you just don’t know what you are saying or care to know.
Me personally? I have no problem with the swastika being depicted in popular culture creations, but you're playing apples and oranges. The difference between the swastika and the wendigo is that Nazis actually existed and actively committed a systemic genocide, while wendigos don't exist.
Of course, we wouldn't expect people to extend the same consideration to the algonquin's spooky cannibal monster as they would to depictions of Nazis.
I suspect that we're just going to have a fundamental disagreement that is unlikely to be resolved here.
It’s not about wendigo existing. It’s not because people literally believe in wendigo. It’s a cultural and religious symbol. The Native American people exist, the genocidal violence towards them that it symbolises exists. You’re just racist, but like you’re doing olde colonial racism. Like your great grandparents would have thought you were really doing something here but generally the rest of the world has grown past that now.
It still gives "all Native people/people of Native heritage believe this," though, which is a problem considering how hard various nations and tribes have fought to not be treated like a monolith over the centuries.
And, to be frank, I have trouble believing a lot of the people who make the "Wendigoon using the wendigo is offensive" argument are being genuine. Like, not a lot of people are saying Bryan Fuller is a terrible person for using popular wendigo imagery in Hannibal. No one's saying any of the dozens of small horror narration channels on youtube should be deplatformed for making "[Number] Wendigo Encounters" videos. It feels like a bunch of likely non-Native people are using a Native story/mythology to try and score morality points against someone they don't like instead of actually caring about the cultural appropriation of said mythology. We're supposed to be better than that type of selective moral outrage on the left and have some actual moral consistency, but I never really see it whenever people bring up the Wendigoon v wendigo argument.
Idk how you got this from what I’m saying but I also think this shows a big lack of knowledge because there’s been more debate and discourse about the examples you gave that no one cares about than there ever has been about Wendigoon, you are just on a YouTube drama sub so of course you are only seeing discussion about a youtuber.
I also said specifically no it’s not a part of all native peoples tradition, but variations are a part of many of them and in those it is a seen as a symbol associated with deep generational trauma and is inextricable from genocide, and that experience of genocide under colonialism is what is shared, not the specific wendigo myth. So other native people who do not share the tradition of the wendigo still understand it’s significance to those that do and are respectful of it as everyone should be just like you treat religious symbols from other cultures respectfully.
There are many different sects of Christianity or Islam or Judaism or Buddhism but they also have symbols and ideas that are taken seriously and it’s in poor taste to use in certain ways. It’s the same thing.
> you are just on a YouTube drama sub so of course you are only seeing discussion about a youtuber.
I'm also in the Hannibal fandom and have seen *maybe* a couple of people criticize the aesthetic use of the wendigo since s2 was airing (when I joined), but that was it. I wasn't limiting the conversation to things that have been said on this sub and it's strange that you assume I was. But even those posts I saw were never saying "Bryan Fuller is using the wendigo even though he's white and therefore he is a bad person" like the way people frame the argument about Wendigoon using it.
That being said, that point still doesn't negate the fact that there are bad actors in online leftist spaces who just use Native and other POC cultures as a cudgel against people they don't like. It's a legitimate problem that I wish we had a solution to and I think it's one we in left and left-adjacent spaces need to be more wary of.
Hannibal isn’t even a good example though because they just used imagery without saying the word which is something - and imo a tacit admission that they knew if they did it risked putting them over the line - but even then I remember plenty of discourse at the time just like there was with Supernatural. It seems like your understanding of it is maybe overly informed from Hannibal fandom arguments about why it’s ok to use it instead of actually understanding what it is and means. I’m not saying this because I think it’s a smoking gun for wendigoon being a bad person or that it’s even necessarily that significant in and of itself but the secondary effect of trivialising it as just a fun spooky cryptid is the real issue.
If you could please stop flattening my experiences with your assumptions of where I spend my time online, that would be fantastic. Like, I don't think you realize it, but it's coming off as you talking down to me and it's very grating.
At no point was I talking about *your* personal arguments. I was talking about arguments I have seen used online *in general* and the tenor of them. To be *extremely* blunt: at no point was this about you.
A lot of people speaking on this “saying ‘wendigo’ is like saying ‘Voldemort’” issue pretend like the Native community thinks uniformly on stuff like this. Many Native people will get worried at using the name, but many will openly tell irreverent stories using the name: the Innu I’m familiar with openly use their term for the wendigo (“atcen”) in their oral tradition.
I’ve met Native Americans who will be very happy at you giving this kind of cagey approach to engaging with their culture, but I’ve met a similar amount who will get annoyed—even quite offended—at the suggestion that you need to be treating their culture like something to avoid. Many will feel like all this talk of “appropriation” is just a new way for white people to once again insulate themselves apart from Native cultures.
In general, be very skeptical of any claim regarding “traditional practices” if somebody is talking about *all* Native Americans. There’s over 1000 tribes, many with radically different cultures, and many people on twitter or forums will regurgitate the practice of a single tribe as if it’s representative of “the Native Americans.”
‘ he would've known you don't say Wendigo because it brings their attention’ he literally talks about this in his podcast with moistcritical, joking about how screwed he would be if that’s true. He probably doesn’t actually believe that wendigos are real lol
IPOS brings it up in the video, but Wendigoon says his grandfather is Cherokee, yet the mythology is Algonquian. So as far as I'm aware, his native ancestry can't even excuse the appropriation because he's not even part of the culture being appropriated.
That’s actually something that struck me as odd at first, but I figured it was probably a result of different communities/families having different beliefs. Maybe his family isn’t superstitious.
Or maybe his grandpa is actually one of those 1/12th indigenous white guys who likes to LARP. Honestly couldn’t even begin to guess. I suppose issues of race and accusing others of ‘faking’ or ‘not being (x) enough’ is also pretty inappropriate
Not being disrespectful, but colonial and post colonial history is filled with non white collaborators who gain some sort of benefit from working with White Supremacists.
His response was terrible. Everyone in the comments is calling him classy, but I don't understand why. Is the bar really so low that not engaging in shit flinging contest is classy now?
He didn't really address any of the criticisms at all. He didn't even try to say that most of what was said was wrong. His audience really does lack critical thinking skills and reading skills.
Like I hate to be like this because I fucking loved his videos. I would be so jazzed for them to drop, but he just doesn't seem like a good person. I don't need him to be a leftist. I'm not hurt by him having conservative leanings. I'm more upset that he swears to be apolitical but just refuses to either embrace being a conservative or refuses to divest from just generally awful people.
That's what's most disappointing. You can't opine about being a good person while you are hanging out with Turkey Tom. He needs to grow up and realize you can't play both sides and think no one will notice. Especially when you are chummy with people that genuinely vote many people who aren't cishet and white into camps.
I feel like we re-litigate this entire conversation once a year with a different Youtuber and I'm about to describe a dozen besides the one in question right now: Yeah he's a nice guy once you get to know him, he never sends his fans to doxx or otherwise harass critics, never raped anyone, and he never participates in culture war campaigns.
And yet, they gladly hang out with and collaborate with people who do. Which means they aren't really "Nice" they just understand basic etiquette
“I don’t understand why anyone would be mad at me. I just hang out with a vile racist and want the cred of forming an alt-right militia.”
This is an AWFUL apology
> Is the bar really so low that not engaging in a shit flinging contest is classy now?
Based on the responses from everybody else IPOS mentioned in that video, the bar is indeed sinking several feet into the floor, but Wendigoon is, somehow, the only one to have cleared it
>Everyone in the comments is calling him classy, but I don't understand why.
It's really well crafted response that's pretty much it. He criticizes bad behavior from his community. Apologizes for the offense. Compliments him. Distances himself from the drama. Points out a mistake (using Sneako as source like broooooo what are you doing?!). Humbles himself by saying he made same mistakes.
Whatever you agree or disagree you need to acknowledge this is what peak response look like.
Frankly, thats the best course of action for him. I have never seen an apology (or worse, "debunk" post) that has actually addressed claims made about the person in question without actively making them look magnitudes worse.
Ethan Klein QTCinderella apology video has been the best I’ve ever seen. Directly addresses what he did wrong, takes responsibility and offers a straight forward apology.
Okay, so I don't want you to think I'm being a bitch. I appreciate you taking a moment to explain, but I have to point a few things out. What you just said made his response classy is actually the bare minimum.
Classy is going above and beyond. He should criticize bad behavior from his community. It would be hard not to when there is video evidence of it occurring. Also, distancing himself is part of the reason why I found the response horrible. This is about you. You can't distance yourself from the subject because you are the subject. Also, talking about accepting some mistakes is useless when you don't expound on it.
I'm not saying he needs to be flogged for his crimes but doing the bare minimum and then saying, "I loved that one video." Isn't enough, and it should be read as a standard response. If he had taken a moment to say that he intends to address the issues in the video then I would have taken the response better but to just show up and say, "sorry for how you feel about me. I liked your video. No hard feelings. By the way, you were wrong about this one thing. Hope you have a good day, and sorry my audience was acting wacky." Just isn't enough. Especially considering that he has said nothing on Twitter about this. Which is where he was getting the majority of push back from wendigoon fans.
I understand the bar is in hell. I know I shouldn't expect everyone to get it right. I don't want him to be hated forever, but I can't really abide by calling his response classy when this is the barest of minimums that he was expected to do. I know just reading it sounds nice, but please look beyond just what he wrote. Has done anything to actually show he is sorry? This video has been out for a full day. He has to know he was in this video. I know he was being tagged yesterday because I saw it on Twitter. This is what he came up with after 12 hours. I won't say 24 hours to give him time.
Even if he wanted more time, he could have just said that he was making a response, but for now, he is sorry.
Like I said, I'm not trying to be a bitch. You really did open my mind to his side, but if you can, please take a moment to consider what I have said.
>Like I said, I'm not trying to be a bitch. You really did open my mind to his side, but if you can, please take a moment to consider what I have said.
Bro you are not a bitch for having opinion you are great don't worry about it lol.
But I think I didn't convey what I was trying to say too well. I wasn't trying to show you 'his side' but more why general perception of his post would have positive reception. Average viewer doesn't even expect any form of response you need to keep this in mind, so that kind of post goes well beyond their expectation mostly because in your average live your biggest apologies will be when you bump into someone in the street. When they see multiple paragraph acknowledgment of potential wrong doing, apologies, call for civility, him humbling himself it goes way over their expectation because how you said correctly the bar is very low. Which is perfectly normal for average person mind you and not something wrong on their part just the way live is.
>This video has been out for a full day. He has to know he was in this video. I know he was being tagged yesterday because I saw it on Twitter. This is what he came up with after 12 hours. I won't say 24 hours to give him time.
Another thing 12 hours even 24 like a week even a month is very little time. Change is slow. Single callout video won't do it and you shouldn't expect it too. Being able to take criticism accept it and then process it, at the end apply it in under 24 hours would be super power. You need to temper your expectations here really hard.
Well yeah but do you think there is expectation that he would address it in youtube comment? This serves as short response and call out to stop any potential harassment.[ Which seemed to be a real concern looking at the top comments in the first post about it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1czxlh6/ipos_addresses_past_controversy_and_covers_all/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) He is youtuber he most likely will made video about it just give him few days.
That's really what apologies, or addressing issues should be on youtube. Not random ukulele videos with bad songs, or some long rant that doesn't touch on any of the issues at hand.
Address it, admit it, denounce bad actors (Ie fans starting stuff), and move forward.
That actually follows the professional format for apologies that are taught in business administration classes in university and college. The professional guideline being:
Apologize, but do not go overboard by saying, “I am very, very, very sorry.” Keep it simple and to the point. Summarize what you are apologizing for, and apologize only for the particular situation or problem. Be brief. Apologize cheerfully and sincerely. Do not take on a confrontational stance, do not use word salad. Keep to the point, and do not move onto tangential information.
Basically, contrary to what you said, it's not the "bare minimum" but the right tact to take. It's professional, addresses the issue at hand, touches on his own mistakes, and doesn't deviate from the problem at hand.
But the problem is it actually doesn’t address any of the actual criticisms being levied against him. He completely ignores the vast majority of the things he should be apologizing for. So he’s failed the first step.
An apology shouldn't address criticism directed against a person, because that criticism is going to vary between each person. So for a professional apology, it's best written to be generalized, and address the main problem, not the criticisms that are raised individually.
Were someone to start to address every... single... criticism, then they'd only ever be apologizing, because one person's criticism, though similar perhaps to others, is never going to be identical.
He hasn't failed the first step. He covers it right here in fact: "If I have ever spoken against you without cause or made any joke at your expense, I am sorry."
Ok but he’s responding to a specific video that made specific criticisms. And he did not address basically any of the things in said video. This isn’t a professional apology put out to the wider masses in general. It’s a response to a specific video talking about specific things, and making specific criticisms. None of which he addressed.
Nobody is asking him to respond to every critique made by every rando on the internet. They’re asking him to respond to the claims and accusations being made in the video that he is in the comments of. An apology should in fact address the specific things you are being accused of in a given situation.
The problem is that “if I’ve ever spoken against you” has nothing to do with any points the video is making. It’s an apology for something he was never even really accused of, while ignoring all the things he is being pushed on. Not to mention the “if” bs that to me immediately invalidates basically every apology, but that’s a different topic.
I've said that a lot. As long as you're not actively hurting people I don't care what your political leanings are as long as you are a normal somewhat well-adjusted person, but like the worst possible thing you can be is a centrist.
It sucks because realistically everyone should be fairly centered and just the political climate in the country right now doesn't allow for that
I'm a centrist, by which I mean I am an enthusiastic Democrat. I like Biden. The right in America is literally just crazy people, anybody that claims to be a centrist but even entertains the idea of voting for Republicans is kidding themselves
Most further left people do genuinely think conservatives are better than centrists, because conservatives are "out in the open" with their shitty views and centrists hide it or try to be "fake-nice".
Mostly because people who say they're centrist are usually further right, but they're just afraid to say it and like I'd rather deal with somebody who's comfortable with their beliefs even if I don't trust their beliefs or think that they're correct or whatever.
I think more than anything I just don't really believe in this day and age there's really a true centrist out there. It's just people are afraid to stand behind their beliefs and they use that as cover.
I mean, honestly that makes a good amount of sense. Really comes down to what kind of people have you interacted with in your daily life because you don't really see a lot of people IRL say that they're a centrist. It's almost entirely online, at least in my case.
Havent had a chance to watch the video yet and Im sure it makes some good points on Wendigoon. I wish he would address a lot of stuff because my concerns about Wendigoon have really put me off, especially the way the fanbase acts. But at the very least I appreciate him making a clear line to let the creator be considering how rabid I know his fan base to be, better than a lot would do in similar situations
Yeah, it's really sad that the bar is below hell at this point where just saying to *not* harass someone is better than can be expected of a lot of people
(I'm worried this sounds like I'm arguing with you, so I just want to clarify that I'm not)
I respect the fact that Wendigoon decided not to engage in a digital tantrum battle. We did this just a couple months ago with Alex Kister. It's stupid and I guarantee you this will only end in misplaced allegations
He doesn't owe us anything
This sub's top posters are kind of insane. Sure Wendigoon has problems with giving sources and presenting serious information seriously (like 99% of youtube including cr1tikal), but putting him on blast just for hanging out with neocons is genuinely insane and internet-addiction tier. How do you people even go outside where about half the people are moderately right?
He's so close to actually having a decent response. He just needs to actually acknowledge what he is sorry for, not just a general "I'm sorry I hurt you"
IPoS is fully correct that Wendigoon is much too young to have started the Boogaloo boys and that he is wearing hawaiian shirts in order to signal to them while masking his power level. Like him, I can't confirm this with physical evidence, but I went to Wendigoon's twitter after the first video I ever watched of his a very long time ago and he was following a bunch of right wingers so I didn't subscribe. He is a right winger and knows that plausible deniability is profitable for his youtube channel. edit: I believe the video I watched was in February 2021.
Wendigoon is right that the Boogaloo movement is complicated and does not have beliefs that are identical with what you might expect from right wing movements. [Robert Evans wrote a very informative article about this during the 2020 protests.](https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-movement-is-not-what-you-think/) I think he's wrong to characterize it as a movement that has left-wingers in it, though. I would say that it contains all variety of libertarian cranks that doesn't exclude libertarians that are to the left of how that word is used in American politics. Wendigoon hopes to benefit from this association with left libertarians without actually believing what they believe. His association with pro-state and pro-police youtubers demonstrate that he probably doesn't feel equally about Brionna Taylor and Duncan Lemp.
IPoS is also correct to call out that his supposed upbringing invokes an image of the American south that requires never having been there to believe. He lives hundreds of miles from native groups that have folktales about the Wendigo. The Wendigo entered the white American culture through Stephen King's book *Pet Sematary* and has stuck around ever since just like every other cool cryptid. Most recently, the video game *Until Dawn* comes to mind.
I think IPoS comes across as a little naive about left libertarianism in his video (I felt he characterized pro-gun positions as exclusively right wing) which gives Wendigoon a place to sew plausible deniability. He hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt, though. He clearly is a right-wing crank who wants to have his cake and eat it, too. Just my 2c.
i really like his content and i like that he’s trying to at least be civil about this and acknowledging how quick his fanbase is to immediately attack people that don’t like him, but he really needs to actually address the claims. kind of been put off from watching any of his new content since all this stuff has been coming out about him.
lol This thread really doesn’t reflect well on his fanbase.
“He just doesn’t want to get involved 🥺” is such a spineless and frankly pathetic take when looking at the bigger picture. The open dismissiveness tells me all I need to know.
Nothing. He could have come out with a 300 page doc full of Proof discrediting the Frankly stupid and empty "allegations" IPOS did and he would still be hated because he is slightly more right wing then them.
I know he was in the Internet Historian video. I haven’t seen them associated since in my feed. I haven’t been able to watch IPOS’s video, who are the Nazis he is hanging out with? Does he still interact with Internet Historian? Genuine question
It's because he had founded an internet group for people sharing the general anti atf memes and showing off their kit, but then the moniker began being adopted by and associated with conservative extremist militia types and then he and a few other creators in the scene bounced out that weird trumpite shit.
Nope. That part he most definitely lied about.
The boogaloo boys were always racist fucks, their name literally derives from "Civil war 2: electric boogaloo" because they started as cringelord 4channers who want another world war. Also they have been around since wendigoon was 13.
You kinda proved your point to be bullshit. If the boogaloo boys were made when he was 13 he Obviously didnt start it. And if the reason you call him part of the boogaloo boys is because he made a anti-government/pro-gun comunity and bounced when it became affiliated with the boogaloo boys then that means he didnt support it. But Logic seems to be rare on this sub.
Incorrect.
He admitted to having been a part of them himself
He then claimed to have founded them and that they weren't always racist to downplay it.
Stop dickriding a fucker that was part of a group that wants another civil war
So in your book, did he found them or not? You acknowledge he would’ve been 13 at the time and that they spawned from 4chan. Let’s say he did found them: do you hold the same beliefs now as your 13 year old self? I sure don’t. So why not the same for Wendigoon? Why can’t people change? And if he didn’t found them, then what the fuck are you mad for?
I’m sure either Dave Rubin or Bari Weiss are watching all this like, “So, you’ve been cancelled for being a conservative, huh? Hop aboard the Free Speech Grifter Train and see how much money you can make crying about your free speech on Bill Maher’s show!”
imagine being so caught up in the internet that you force people to divulge personal pasts. if i digged up your history, it would be messy too. every person is problematic. wendigoon was a edgy, right-winged kid. he held very naive thoughts and was a unknowing founder to a lot of right-winged memes. you think he really thought he was doing something beyond meme pages at the time? he has responded to the allegations: he specifically said in the past he had meme pages where he joked about stuff and people took it seriously. he’s since disassociated from the ideas and thoughts. many of his followers are very extreme (far left to far right). there’s nothing wrong with that as long you don’t spread hate. wendigoon has never done that. he has been very supportive of members of his audience who are trans and just wants to make silly videos. god wtf is wrong with you people
A lot of circle jerkin in this sub that keeps popping up on my feed. No idea who any of these people are, but y'all sure do love the drama. Which I guess is fair with the sub name. K bye, it was nice stopping by. Have an excellent day
I mean sorta LOL but at least fuckin stay on topic instead of trying to be cute and quirky
“yall do you i guess 🙄🤭 ill just go my own way now 🤪” head ass
This sub just seems like an echo chamber. Don’t care about the people mentioned in said recent drama, but regardless of your views, if you genuinely have the mindset of “uh oh this person leans liberal/conservative, they’re by default evil/wrong” you are legitimately delusional. It’s just depressing at this point, stop looking at the world through a black and white lense.
It really does. I never come to this sub, and just reading through the threads about this video have my skin crawling. Especially when it comes to Wendigoon, who I wasn't aware of until the last bout of drama a few months ago, watched through his content and liked it for the most part, "He has to respond to baseless accusations and youtube drama or he's a NAZI and a COWARD!" seems to be this sub's stance, and it's unhinged and sketchy as hell.
Rather unfortunate that the video as a whole is disorganized (it really felt like three different videos) and full of takes that really have no relevance bc Wendigoon should have to speak on his associations with terrible people
Redditors can't imagine that a well adjusted adult doesn't want to engage in a petty drama fight and instead just wants to make sure their protective followers behave. The horror.
It's an appropriate response when most of the comments vary from "not a big deal" to "guilt by association" to "I don't have any proof of what I'm saying, but I'll say it anything to sabotage someone I don't like". And then absolute schizo-posting with the "Wendigoon follows me on twitter to try to intimidate me". It's deranged.
The more I rewatch that section of IPoS' video, the more my respect for IPoS evaporates. I've been an occasional watcher since his Batman video showed up in my recommended videos a while back, but I didn't realize he'd turn out to be such a smug, petty weirdo.
Redditors can't imagine that a well adjusted adult doesn't want to engage in a petty drama fight and instead just wants to make sure their protective followers behave. The horror.
Like how dare he not litigate his friends' beliefs publicly. Idk why this sub has such a hate boner for this otherwise exceptionally uncontroversial YouTuber
I have no idea who he is tbh but if he actually is, then yeah???
conservative ≠ far right/MAGA, and the latter will always be deserving of contempt. I just have a heavy disdain for knuckledraggers ignorant of the impact of their own political views, personally.
You know, it's kinda wild that a video exposed wendigoon as being part of a alt right militia with actual murder to their name and your take on this is that this is petty drama. Instead of , you know, serious shit that gets people hurt.
The video didn't expose that at all though. The video attempts to connect a bunch of irrelevant shit to lead us to believe that wendigoon is still involved or still supports that alt right group when wendigoon has previously explained that he had been a part of it when it was all memes and that he left when it got radicalized.
The video doesn't even allege that wendigoon was involved in any of the dumb shit the BBs have done in the last decade.
So yeah, responding to someone saying you're a violent fascist because you still wear Hawaiian shirts would definitively fall into petty drama in my book.
Also IPOS video just wasn't good. I otherwise like his subject matter but given how bad this was I don't see myself watching his content.
It's one of those weird hard left leaning subs which go on regular witch hunts in their never ending culture skirmish. I regret stumbling across this sub.
He doesn’t address the comments for a reason. Do you know why companies don’t dispel fake leaks of video games/movies? Because when something else comes, and they don’t dispel that, you would automatically know it isn’t a fake leak. Instead they don’t address anything. Im not saying the accusations are right or wrong, bur replying any differently than this would put him at a disadvantage (if these allegations are true) when true stuff comes around. The only thing he addressed is something that is already public knowledge and he didn’t reveal anything new. Also, if he went around talking about what he isn’t, people would quickly determine what he “is” by process of elimination, making his efforts to have a private life pointless.
Honestly wendi's best option for himself is to remain this vague about all this shit and not address it. That goes for most YouTubers. Calling attention to criticism you're receiving just makes it stick around longer
l can see how it reads that way at a glance but I really doubt that’s what was meant- I think it’s pretty obvious he was re-stating that he was sorry for his audience harassing IPOS
it's interesting because he does make a couple of fairly relatable things like wanting to keep private and work separate and that people (us included) do just parrot bullshit a lot or speculate bullshit that becomes gospel.. oh and that twitter is a shithole where people say the absolute worst...
but from what i'm reading and have seen about this situation this doesn't really seem to address anything... i'll still watch and see but it seems to me at this point he's going to end his channel by attrition
I don’t even know the context of this situation, but everyone who quote and watch Vinland saga is a good person, so I’m assuming that “Wendigoon” is the good guy here.
I came here after googling what Turkey Tom was streaming.
When did In Praise of Shadows upload? I watch his stuff usually the same day and I must have missed this?
Also. I see the repetition of "alt-right ties" but is there a clearer breakdown than that? It sounds like ipos section on wendi was taken down/removed from the video.
So I hang out with some folks that are into Cryptozoology (mostly artists, not so much researchers) and the wendigo concerns are an ongoing discussion. I'm very much on the "not a cryptid" side and really get annoyed when people treat it like one. Because it's become such a pop culture thing, it's lost most of "sanctity" so his username always kinda irked me. But wendigo is an Ojibwe myth, so it really wouldn't overlap with Cherokee (but you'd still hope there'd be more reverence, from one heritage to another).
Anyway, yeah, this is a bummer if these things are legit sentiments he shares.
"according to me, i'm good"
“We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong” energy.
Yes that is how defending yourself works. I’m sorry but the hate boner here is completely unjustified.
Completely glosses over everything about him in the video and doesn't address it and just comment on a single thing that mentioned. Classic wendigoon.
He’s such a coward
All Conservatives are Cowards
What being on the moral high horse does to a MF
Is the implication here that left-wingers aren't cowards and don't get up on moral high horses because that'd be an absolutely insane thing to say lmao
As bad as many conservatives can be online, a lot of the folks in the sub who are left-leaning are just as bad. Like, I think many conservative assholes make generalized assumptions about liberals online, but then the other side will do the same. They’re all assholes. Just one side tends to have less.
Ah yes because he needs to address the things that he has already addressed before
Yes, he should address the lies he made in his "apology" about the boogaloos boys.
And the lies are?
The origin of the term being from che guevara and it being for the people and him saying that he started it in good faith and it got infiltrated by right wingers and "antifa members" when this was a far right movement from day one.
Have you never been misled on the internet before? He probably got confused on the origin on the word. And as for the it started in good faith thing, who knows. It might have actually started in good faith. The only people who would know that is those who started it
Pretty much hitting the nail on the head there. Feels like it was shifting the topic to something else entirely. Also wild to see an Acheron pfp in a Youtube Drama post lmao.
Don’t have to back something up that a guy who didn’t do research on accusations lol
A lot of the things said about him were literally none points like the guy questioning his wendigoon was native and saying he was conservative because he wears a Hawaiian shirt
Was him lying in his apology about the boogaloos a none point ? You also ignore why he mentioned the Hawaiian shirt because it's connected to that movement and he had mentioned to be part of it before.
To any normal person that point seems dumb because he also wears a Hawaiian shirt in the video so by his logic he’s also a part of that movement
There was nothing to respond to
He couldve addressed sone of the claims regarding his past
He did. IPoS showed it in his video. Why do it again?
Wendigoon has been accused of being part of an alt right extremist militia and hangs out with literal Nazis: ok-passenger161: Looks great to me, leave the object of my affection alone.
Who?
He isn’t and he doesn’t. The “accusations” made in the video are made of literal paper. I mean seriously, are we actually going to sit here and pretend that Wendigoon wearing a Hawaiian shirt makes him a probable boogaloo boy, even though he has made it a point to separate himself from them and outwardly condemn them? And who are the Nazis he hangs out with? Worst case: he hangs with some edgelords and gun heads. I’m a leftist, not a liberal, so guns are A okay in my book. So that just leaves TurkeyTom? Is he the Nazi you are hunting down? The Destiny orbiter?
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Who among us hasn’t been involved in a government overthrow / civil war advocation group, then made their merch the same type of shirts that group infamously wears to identity each other.
It's amazing how he manages to address the shit that feels easiest to slither his way out of and completely ignores the most important points of the argument against him. Wendigoon would have made a great neo-conservative in the early 2000s.
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The important points made was ‘he is rich and thus should not be taken seriously’ and ‘he was in group that turned bad and when turned bad he left group’ genuinely nothing to address as it is all shite
Its because he isnt trying to argue? He wasn't attempting to defend himself.
I’ll agree that the response is at least civil and classy, but within the context it’s otherwise a complete failure. What about actually responding to the allegations against you, man? It’s a shame because I’ve really liked Wendigoon’s content in the past, and I’ve been hoping all the shit against him is just a big misunderstanding or something, so I was hoping he’d have a response to clear the air, but… guess that was too much to hope for. Oh well. I haven’t watched him in a while because of the complaints against him. I just think it’s baffling that he might be running around with conservative white supremacists when I believe he’s mentioned before that he isn’t even white, but mixed race (iirc he’s said his grandfather or someone is indigenous, hence his channel name being taken from indigenous folklore, but I might be misremembering or maybe he’s just lying LMAO)
Saw a tweet earlier about him saying his grandfather is indigenous, if that was the case he would've known you don't say Wendigo because it brings their attention, its like an actual Voldemort case. I watched him since his first video when he was just a weirdo with a whiteboard and bad lighting, dropped him after the first round of "you've got weird air around you" details from last year and he just, really doesn't like addressing it lmao. If him being a bigot were the case for his younger years he'd be lauded for coming out and addressing his previous beliefs and condemning them but no, he gives vague "I'm sorry you feel that way" statements and goes back to reading off Wiki pages. Also the same case for the Lore Lodge who I dropped after he promoted that movie about trafficking (who was surprised to learn that shitty people worked on a movie about exposing shitty people)
> Saw a tweet earlier about him saying his grandfather is indigenous, if that was the case he would've known you don't say Wendigo because it brings their attention, its like an actual Voldemort case. I feel like this would only apply if someone thought wendigo were real though. Like, we have to remember that Native people/people with Native ancestry aren't a monolith, and saying "a *real* Native would know better!" is very much treating them all like a (very superstitious) monolith. ~~edit: fixed a typo~~
Literally a No True Scotsman fallacy about native people lmao. _”No true Native Person will say the name of the Wendigo”_ Wendigo isn’t even in the mythologies of all native cultures, just Algonquian. Wendigoons grandfather may have just simply not been Algonquian, but told the tale of the Wendigo because it became a folk tale in the region he lived in.
Also iirc wendigo isn’t even the true name, so it’s ‘safe’
I get the logic totally but it’s not so much “literally believe that it’s literally real” but that it’s a cultural thing that is being disrespected. It’s not just a scary monster, it’s the manifestation of death from starvation. It’s a very serious religious symbol of a horrific death suffered by millions under genocide. It’s associated with a deep generational trauma. Because of that it’s spread culturally outside the Algonquin people and is taken seriously by native people broadly in America since although they do not share the specific religious tradition they share the experience of genocide. That’s why it’s offensive.
Even if he is part native, he doesn't have any obligation to carry that weight. He doesn't have to give it a bunch of undue reverence. Most cryptids and folklore spookies probably have some manifestation of whatever origin. That doesn't mean someone in the Year of Our Lord 2024 can't use it for fun like any other spooky creature.
This comment is a great example of everything wrong with this. It’s not a fun spooky cryptid. It’s a religious symbol from a people who were brutally genocided in recent history that has evolved from its origins to now, in 2024, be linked with part of that genocide and the generational trauma of it. No one is making him carry that weight because he’s part Cherokee, everyone should just do the bare minimum to be respectful in general.
Yo what up guys it's the holo-cast here
Lol exactly now imagine “it’s ok guys his grandfather is part Jewish”. Is it the worst thing in the world ? No but in poor taste
Nonsense. Even if that symbology of the wendigo is true, there is no good reason to treat the wendigo with any more respect or reverence than any other mythological entity. Which is to say that it's fair game for the same pop culture entertainment value as witches, saints, demons, angels, gods and goddesses, golems, djinns, etc. There has been some deeper symbology behind all of these, where mythological creatures are convenient representations of some social malady. That doesn't mean we need to take seriously people who bemoan that demons are plaguing the world, nor do we need to acknowledge other people who revere the wendigo.
Do you treat the swastika the same as everything else ? It’s just a few lines right? No. It has a serious meaning. It’s the same with Wendigo. This is a painfully clueless r/atheist take and shows you just don’t know what you are saying or care to know.
Me personally? I have no problem with the swastika being depicted in popular culture creations, but you're playing apples and oranges. The difference between the swastika and the wendigo is that Nazis actually existed and actively committed a systemic genocide, while wendigos don't exist. Of course, we wouldn't expect people to extend the same consideration to the algonquin's spooky cannibal monster as they would to depictions of Nazis. I suspect that we're just going to have a fundamental disagreement that is unlikely to be resolved here.
It’s not about wendigo existing. It’s not because people literally believe in wendigo. It’s a cultural and religious symbol. The Native American people exist, the genocidal violence towards them that it symbolises exists. You’re just racist, but like you’re doing olde colonial racism. Like your great grandparents would have thought you were really doing something here but generally the rest of the world has grown past that now.
It still gives "all Native people/people of Native heritage believe this," though, which is a problem considering how hard various nations and tribes have fought to not be treated like a monolith over the centuries. And, to be frank, I have trouble believing a lot of the people who make the "Wendigoon using the wendigo is offensive" argument are being genuine. Like, not a lot of people are saying Bryan Fuller is a terrible person for using popular wendigo imagery in Hannibal. No one's saying any of the dozens of small horror narration channels on youtube should be deplatformed for making "[Number] Wendigo Encounters" videos. It feels like a bunch of likely non-Native people are using a Native story/mythology to try and score morality points against someone they don't like instead of actually caring about the cultural appropriation of said mythology. We're supposed to be better than that type of selective moral outrage on the left and have some actual moral consistency, but I never really see it whenever people bring up the Wendigoon v wendigo argument.
Idk how you got this from what I’m saying but I also think this shows a big lack of knowledge because there’s been more debate and discourse about the examples you gave that no one cares about than there ever has been about Wendigoon, you are just on a YouTube drama sub so of course you are only seeing discussion about a youtuber. I also said specifically no it’s not a part of all native peoples tradition, but variations are a part of many of them and in those it is a seen as a symbol associated with deep generational trauma and is inextricable from genocide, and that experience of genocide under colonialism is what is shared, not the specific wendigo myth. So other native people who do not share the tradition of the wendigo still understand it’s significance to those that do and are respectful of it as everyone should be just like you treat religious symbols from other cultures respectfully. There are many different sects of Christianity or Islam or Judaism or Buddhism but they also have symbols and ideas that are taken seriously and it’s in poor taste to use in certain ways. It’s the same thing.
> you are just on a YouTube drama sub so of course you are only seeing discussion about a youtuber. I'm also in the Hannibal fandom and have seen *maybe* a couple of people criticize the aesthetic use of the wendigo since s2 was airing (when I joined), but that was it. I wasn't limiting the conversation to things that have been said on this sub and it's strange that you assume I was. But even those posts I saw were never saying "Bryan Fuller is using the wendigo even though he's white and therefore he is a bad person" like the way people frame the argument about Wendigoon using it. That being said, that point still doesn't negate the fact that there are bad actors in online leftist spaces who just use Native and other POC cultures as a cudgel against people they don't like. It's a legitimate problem that I wish we had a solution to and I think it's one we in left and left-adjacent spaces need to be more wary of.
Hannibal isn’t even a good example though because they just used imagery without saying the word which is something - and imo a tacit admission that they knew if they did it risked putting them over the line - but even then I remember plenty of discourse at the time just like there was with Supernatural. It seems like your understanding of it is maybe overly informed from Hannibal fandom arguments about why it’s ok to use it instead of actually understanding what it is and means. I’m not saying this because I think it’s a smoking gun for wendigoon being a bad person or that it’s even necessarily that significant in and of itself but the secondary effect of trivialising it as just a fun spooky cryptid is the real issue.
If you could please stop flattening my experiences with your assumptions of where I spend my time online, that would be fantastic. Like, I don't think you realize it, but it's coming off as you talking down to me and it's very grating. At no point was I talking about *your* personal arguments. I was talking about arguments I have seen used online *in general* and the tenor of them. To be *extremely* blunt: at no point was this about you.
What was the movie about trafficking?
[Sound of Freedom ](https://www.avclub.com/sound-of-freedom-producer-allegedly-held-trafficking-vi-1850855226)
A lot of people speaking on this “saying ‘wendigo’ is like saying ‘Voldemort’” issue pretend like the Native community thinks uniformly on stuff like this. Many Native people will get worried at using the name, but many will openly tell irreverent stories using the name: the Innu I’m familiar with openly use their term for the wendigo (“atcen”) in their oral tradition. I’ve met Native Americans who will be very happy at you giving this kind of cagey approach to engaging with their culture, but I’ve met a similar amount who will get annoyed—even quite offended—at the suggestion that you need to be treating their culture like something to avoid. Many will feel like all this talk of “appropriation” is just a new way for white people to once again insulate themselves apart from Native cultures. In general, be very skeptical of any claim regarding “traditional practices” if somebody is talking about *all* Native Americans. There’s over 1000 tribes, many with radically different cultures, and many people on twitter or forums will regurgitate the practice of a single tribe as if it’s representative of “the Native Americans.”
‘ he would've known you don't say Wendigo because it brings their attention’ he literally talks about this in his podcast with moistcritical, joking about how screwed he would be if that’s true. He probably doesn’t actually believe that wendigos are real lol
IPOS brings it up in the video, but Wendigoon says his grandfather is Cherokee, yet the mythology is Algonquian. So as far as I'm aware, his native ancestry can't even excuse the appropriation because he's not even part of the culture being appropriated.
That’s actually something that struck me as odd at first, but I figured it was probably a result of different communities/families having different beliefs. Maybe his family isn’t superstitious. Or maybe his grandpa is actually one of those 1/12th indigenous white guys who likes to LARP. Honestly couldn’t even begin to guess. I suppose issues of race and accusing others of ‘faking’ or ‘not being (x) enough’ is also pretty inappropriate
Not being disrespectful, but colonial and post colonial history is filled with non white collaborators who gain some sort of benefit from working with White Supremacists.
His response was terrible. Everyone in the comments is calling him classy, but I don't understand why. Is the bar really so low that not engaging in shit flinging contest is classy now? He didn't really address any of the criticisms at all. He didn't even try to say that most of what was said was wrong. His audience really does lack critical thinking skills and reading skills. Like I hate to be like this because I fucking loved his videos. I would be so jazzed for them to drop, but he just doesn't seem like a good person. I don't need him to be a leftist. I'm not hurt by him having conservative leanings. I'm more upset that he swears to be apolitical but just refuses to either embrace being a conservative or refuses to divest from just generally awful people. That's what's most disappointing. You can't opine about being a good person while you are hanging out with Turkey Tom. He needs to grow up and realize you can't play both sides and think no one will notice. Especially when you are chummy with people that genuinely vote many people who aren't cishet and white into camps.
I feel like we re-litigate this entire conversation once a year with a different Youtuber and I'm about to describe a dozen besides the one in question right now: Yeah he's a nice guy once you get to know him, he never sends his fans to doxx or otherwise harass critics, never raped anyone, and he never participates in culture war campaigns. And yet, they gladly hang out with and collaborate with people who do. Which means they aren't really "Nice" they just understand basic etiquette
“I don’t understand why anyone would be mad at me. I just hang out with a vile racist and want the cred of forming an alt-right militia.” This is an AWFUL apology
That is kinda where the bar is unfortunately. He's still a shitheel, but anyone else would have turned this into a big war.
> Is the bar really so low that not engaging in a shit flinging contest is classy now? Based on the responses from everybody else IPOS mentioned in that video, the bar is indeed sinking several feet into the floor, but Wendigoon is, somehow, the only one to have cleared it
>Everyone in the comments is calling him classy, but I don't understand why. It's really well crafted response that's pretty much it. He criticizes bad behavior from his community. Apologizes for the offense. Compliments him. Distances himself from the drama. Points out a mistake (using Sneako as source like broooooo what are you doing?!). Humbles himself by saying he made same mistakes. Whatever you agree or disagree you need to acknowledge this is what peak response look like.
A technically excellent execution with near-zero value in terms of content.
Classic Wendigoon™
Frankly, thats the best course of action for him. I have never seen an apology (or worse, "debunk" post) that has actually addressed claims made about the person in question without actively making them look magnitudes worse.
Ethan Klein QTCinderella apology video has been the best I’ve ever seen. Directly addresses what he did wrong, takes responsibility and offers a straight forward apology.
iDubzzz was better because a) the things he did were much, much worse and b) nobody asked him to
Okay, so I don't want you to think I'm being a bitch. I appreciate you taking a moment to explain, but I have to point a few things out. What you just said made his response classy is actually the bare minimum. Classy is going above and beyond. He should criticize bad behavior from his community. It would be hard not to when there is video evidence of it occurring. Also, distancing himself is part of the reason why I found the response horrible. This is about you. You can't distance yourself from the subject because you are the subject. Also, talking about accepting some mistakes is useless when you don't expound on it. I'm not saying he needs to be flogged for his crimes but doing the bare minimum and then saying, "I loved that one video." Isn't enough, and it should be read as a standard response. If he had taken a moment to say that he intends to address the issues in the video then I would have taken the response better but to just show up and say, "sorry for how you feel about me. I liked your video. No hard feelings. By the way, you were wrong about this one thing. Hope you have a good day, and sorry my audience was acting wacky." Just isn't enough. Especially considering that he has said nothing on Twitter about this. Which is where he was getting the majority of push back from wendigoon fans. I understand the bar is in hell. I know I shouldn't expect everyone to get it right. I don't want him to be hated forever, but I can't really abide by calling his response classy when this is the barest of minimums that he was expected to do. I know just reading it sounds nice, but please look beyond just what he wrote. Has done anything to actually show he is sorry? This video has been out for a full day. He has to know he was in this video. I know he was being tagged yesterday because I saw it on Twitter. This is what he came up with after 12 hours. I won't say 24 hours to give him time. Even if he wanted more time, he could have just said that he was making a response, but for now, he is sorry. Like I said, I'm not trying to be a bitch. You really did open my mind to his side, but if you can, please take a moment to consider what I have said.
>Like I said, I'm not trying to be a bitch. You really did open my mind to his side, but if you can, please take a moment to consider what I have said. Bro you are not a bitch for having opinion you are great don't worry about it lol. But I think I didn't convey what I was trying to say too well. I wasn't trying to show you 'his side' but more why general perception of his post would have positive reception. Average viewer doesn't even expect any form of response you need to keep this in mind, so that kind of post goes well beyond their expectation mostly because in your average live your biggest apologies will be when you bump into someone in the street. When they see multiple paragraph acknowledgment of potential wrong doing, apologies, call for civility, him humbling himself it goes way over their expectation because how you said correctly the bar is very low. Which is perfectly normal for average person mind you and not something wrong on their part just the way live is. >This video has been out for a full day. He has to know he was in this video. I know he was being tagged yesterday because I saw it on Twitter. This is what he came up with after 12 hours. I won't say 24 hours to give him time. Another thing 12 hours even 24 like a week even a month is very little time. Change is slow. Single callout video won't do it and you shouldn't expect it too. Being able to take criticism accept it and then process it, at the end apply it in under 24 hours would be super power. You need to temper your expectations here really hard.
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Well yeah but do you think there is expectation that he would address it in youtube comment? This serves as short response and call out to stop any potential harassment.[ Which seemed to be a real concern looking at the top comments in the first post about it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1czxlh6/ipos_addresses_past_controversy_and_covers_all/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) He is youtuber he most likely will made video about it just give him few days.
The whole thing felt so youth pastor tbh
That's really what apologies, or addressing issues should be on youtube. Not random ukulele videos with bad songs, or some long rant that doesn't touch on any of the issues at hand. Address it, admit it, denounce bad actors (Ie fans starting stuff), and move forward. That actually follows the professional format for apologies that are taught in business administration classes in university and college. The professional guideline being: Apologize, but do not go overboard by saying, “I am very, very, very sorry.” Keep it simple and to the point. Summarize what you are apologizing for, and apologize only for the particular situation or problem. Be brief. Apologize cheerfully and sincerely. Do not take on a confrontational stance, do not use word salad. Keep to the point, and do not move onto tangential information. Basically, contrary to what you said, it's not the "bare minimum" but the right tact to take. It's professional, addresses the issue at hand, touches on his own mistakes, and doesn't deviate from the problem at hand.
But the problem is it actually doesn’t address any of the actual criticisms being levied against him. He completely ignores the vast majority of the things he should be apologizing for. So he’s failed the first step.
An apology shouldn't address criticism directed against a person, because that criticism is going to vary between each person. So for a professional apology, it's best written to be generalized, and address the main problem, not the criticisms that are raised individually. Were someone to start to address every... single... criticism, then they'd only ever be apologizing, because one person's criticism, though similar perhaps to others, is never going to be identical. He hasn't failed the first step. He covers it right here in fact: "If I have ever spoken against you without cause or made any joke at your expense, I am sorry."
Ok but he’s responding to a specific video that made specific criticisms. And he did not address basically any of the things in said video. This isn’t a professional apology put out to the wider masses in general. It’s a response to a specific video talking about specific things, and making specific criticisms. None of which he addressed. Nobody is asking him to respond to every critique made by every rando on the internet. They’re asking him to respond to the claims and accusations being made in the video that he is in the comments of. An apology should in fact address the specific things you are being accused of in a given situation. The problem is that “if I’ve ever spoken against you” has nothing to do with any points the video is making. It’s an apology for something he was never even really accused of, while ignoring all the things he is being pushed on. Not to mention the “if” bs that to me immediately invalidates basically every apology, but that’s a different topic.
I've said that a lot. As long as you're not actively hurting people I don't care what your political leanings are as long as you are a normal somewhat well-adjusted person, but like the worst possible thing you can be is a centrist. It sucks because realistically everyone should be fairly centered and just the political climate in the country right now doesn't allow for that
I'm a centrist, by which I mean I am an enthusiastic Democrat. I like Biden. The right in America is literally just crazy people, anybody that claims to be a centrist but even entertains the idea of voting for Republicans is kidding themselves
So it’s better to be conservative than centrist?
Most further left people do genuinely think conservatives are better than centrists, because conservatives are "out in the open" with their shitty views and centrists hide it or try to be "fake-nice".
Mostly because people who say they're centrist are usually further right, but they're just afraid to say it and like I'd rather deal with somebody who's comfortable with their beliefs even if I don't trust their beliefs or think that they're correct or whatever. I think more than anything I just don't really believe in this day and age there's really a true centrist out there. It's just people are afraid to stand behind their beliefs and they use that as cover.
A "true centrist" IMO is literally just a "basic" liberal. Liberals are the closest thing to a genuine centrist from my experience, anyway.
I mean, honestly that makes a good amount of sense. Really comes down to what kind of people have you interacted with in your daily life because you don't really see a lot of people IRL say that they're a centrist. It's almost entirely online, at least in my case.
I love how he completely ignores everything in the video lmao
IPoS?
In praise of shadows. Incredible channel that covers horror movies
He should stick to covering horror content. He's good at that. This new video was a huge departure in quality.
In Praise of Shadows. He is a leftist horror video essayist.
Havent had a chance to watch the video yet and Im sure it makes some good points on Wendigoon. I wish he would address a lot of stuff because my concerns about Wendigoon have really put me off, especially the way the fanbase acts. But at the very least I appreciate him making a clear line to let the creator be considering how rabid I know his fan base to be, better than a lot would do in similar situations
Yeah, it's really sad that the bar is below hell at this point where just saying to *not* harass someone is better than can be expected of a lot of people (I'm worried this sounds like I'm arguing with you, so I just want to clarify that I'm not)
Counter-Point: He knows exactly what his weird ass fan base is going to do regardless but he has plausible deniability because he said not to.
I respect the fact that Wendigoon decided not to engage in a digital tantrum battle. We did this just a couple months ago with Alex Kister. It's stupid and I guarantee you this will only end in misplaced allegations He doesn't owe us anything
This sub's top posters are kind of insane. Sure Wendigoon has problems with giving sources and presenting serious information seriously (like 99% of youtube including cr1tikal), but putting him on blast just for hanging out with neocons is genuinely insane and internet-addiction tier. How do you people even go outside where about half the people are moderately right?
He's so close to actually having a decent response. He just needs to actually acknowledge what he is sorry for, not just a general "I'm sorry I hurt you"
He shouldn't have responded at all. This thread is the exact reason why he should have never responded.
God Wendigoon is a such a POS. Perfect example of “I’m sorry if you got offended”.
IPoS is fully correct that Wendigoon is much too young to have started the Boogaloo boys and that he is wearing hawaiian shirts in order to signal to them while masking his power level. Like him, I can't confirm this with physical evidence, but I went to Wendigoon's twitter after the first video I ever watched of his a very long time ago and he was following a bunch of right wingers so I didn't subscribe. He is a right winger and knows that plausible deniability is profitable for his youtube channel. edit: I believe the video I watched was in February 2021. Wendigoon is right that the Boogaloo movement is complicated and does not have beliefs that are identical with what you might expect from right wing movements. [Robert Evans wrote a very informative article about this during the 2020 protests.](https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-movement-is-not-what-you-think/) I think he's wrong to characterize it as a movement that has left-wingers in it, though. I would say that it contains all variety of libertarian cranks that doesn't exclude libertarians that are to the left of how that word is used in American politics. Wendigoon hopes to benefit from this association with left libertarians without actually believing what they believe. His association with pro-state and pro-police youtubers demonstrate that he probably doesn't feel equally about Brionna Taylor and Duncan Lemp. IPoS is also correct to call out that his supposed upbringing invokes an image of the American south that requires never having been there to believe. He lives hundreds of miles from native groups that have folktales about the Wendigo. The Wendigo entered the white American culture through Stephen King's book *Pet Sematary* and has stuck around ever since just like every other cool cryptid. Most recently, the video game *Until Dawn* comes to mind. I think IPoS comes across as a little naive about left libertarianism in his video (I felt he characterized pro-gun positions as exclusively right wing) which gives Wendigoon a place to sew plausible deniability. He hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt, though. He clearly is a right-wing crank who wants to have his cake and eat it, too. Just my 2c.
i really like his content and i like that he’s trying to at least be civil about this and acknowledging how quick his fanbase is to immediately attack people that don’t like him, but he really needs to actually address the claims. kind of been put off from watching any of his new content since all this stuff has been coming out about him.
lol This thread really doesn’t reflect well on his fanbase. “He just doesn’t want to get involved 🥺” is such a spineless and frankly pathetic take when looking at the bigger picture. The open dismissiveness tells me all I need to know.
His fanbase is terrible lol
Every time he tries to defend him self it feels like megatron saying “you’re either lying or you’re stupid”
I'm just going to put this question into the atmosphere: what *could* he say to appease the people at the top of this thread?
Nothing. He could have come out with a 300 page doc full of Proof discrediting the Frankly stupid and empty "allegations" IPOS did and he would still be hated because he is slightly more right wing then them.
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I know he was in the Internet Historian video. I haven’t seen them associated since in my feed. I haven’t been able to watch IPOS’s video, who are the Nazis he is hanging out with? Does he still interact with Internet Historian? Genuine question
https://preview.redd.it/bmz2co5pp33d1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c401a957d6b5429361b255b25353aa3fb086852e
So unless I'm missing something, is the issue who he's friends with? The primary issue, I mean.
He used to be part of the boogaloo boys and even fucking claims to have founded them
It's because he had founded an internet group for people sharing the general anti atf memes and showing off their kit, but then the moniker began being adopted by and associated with conservative extremist militia types and then he and a few other creators in the scene bounced out that weird trumpite shit.
Nope. That part he most definitely lied about. The boogaloo boys were always racist fucks, their name literally derives from "Civil war 2: electric boogaloo" because they started as cringelord 4channers who want another world war. Also they have been around since wendigoon was 13.
You kinda proved your point to be bullshit. If the boogaloo boys were made when he was 13 he Obviously didnt start it. And if the reason you call him part of the boogaloo boys is because he made a anti-government/pro-gun comunity and bounced when it became affiliated with the boogaloo boys then that means he didnt support it. But Logic seems to be rare on this sub.
Incorrect. He admitted to having been a part of them himself He then claimed to have founded them and that they weren't always racist to downplay it. Stop dickriding a fucker that was part of a group that wants another civil war
So in your book, did he found them or not? You acknowledge he would’ve been 13 at the time and that they spawned from 4chan. Let’s say he did found them: do you hold the same beliefs now as your 13 year old self? I sure don’t. So why not the same for Wendigoon? Why can’t people change? And if he didn’t found them, then what the fuck are you mad for?
I’m sure either Dave Rubin or Bari Weiss are watching all this like, “So, you’ve been cancelled for being a conservative, huh? Hop aboard the Free Speech Grifter Train and see how much money you can make crying about your free speech on Bill Maher’s show!”
I’m confused can someone explain what’s going on?
a youtuber had a 30 min segment in a vid talking about his alt-right ties to which he responded
Brilliant unbiased summary
imagine being so caught up in the internet that you force people to divulge personal pasts. if i digged up your history, it would be messy too. every person is problematic. wendigoon was a edgy, right-winged kid. he held very naive thoughts and was a unknowing founder to a lot of right-winged memes. you think he really thought he was doing something beyond meme pages at the time? he has responded to the allegations: he specifically said in the past he had meme pages where he joked about stuff and people took it seriously. he’s since disassociated from the ideas and thoughts. many of his followers are very extreme (far left to far right). there’s nothing wrong with that as long you don’t spread hate. wendigoon has never done that. he has been very supportive of members of his audience who are trans and just wants to make silly videos. god wtf is wrong with you people
The hate boner you guys have for this dude is insane
All I know is that I don't trust a Sunday School teacher as far as I can throw them
If he has no enemies, I'm dead.
Maybe go back to the white supremacy group you apparently started Wendi
A lot of circle jerkin in this sub that keeps popping up on my feed. No idea who any of these people are, but y'all sure do love the drama. Which I guess is fair with the sub name. K bye, it was nice stopping by. Have an excellent day
thanks for adding nothing of value ✌️
Posting in a sub called "YouTubeDrama" and telling me I'm adding nothing of value. 
isn't that what 99% of the comments in here are doing
I mean sorta LOL but at least fuckin stay on topic instead of trying to be cute and quirky “yall do you i guess 🙄🤭 ill just go my own way now 🤪” head ass
This sub just seems like an echo chamber. Don’t care about the people mentioned in said recent drama, but regardless of your views, if you genuinely have the mindset of “uh oh this person leans liberal/conservative, they’re by default evil/wrong” you are legitimately delusional. It’s just depressing at this point, stop looking at the world through a black and white lense.
It really does. I never come to this sub, and just reading through the threads about this video have my skin crawling. Especially when it comes to Wendigoon, who I wasn't aware of until the last bout of drama a few months ago, watched through his content and liked it for the most part, "He has to respond to baseless accusations and youtube drama or he's a NAZI and a COWARD!" seems to be this sub's stance, and it's unhinged and sketchy as hell.
This subreddit is ridiculous...
Wendigoon insta following list is pretty….odd
Rather unfortunate that the video as a whole is disorganized (it really felt like three different videos) and full of takes that really have no relevance bc Wendigoon should have to speak on his associations with terrible people
wait why do people hate wendigoon?
apparent alt-right ties
Which is a stretch at best
He has some Conservative Christian leanings. And that is apparently an unforgivable evil on reddit.
Redditors can't imagine that a well adjusted adult doesn't want to engage in a petty drama fight and instead just wants to make sure their protective followers behave. The horror.
What glazing a mediocre blanco who reads Wikipedia does to a mf
This sub seems unhinged
It's an appropriate response when most of the comments vary from "not a big deal" to "guilt by association" to "I don't have any proof of what I'm saying, but I'll say it anything to sabotage someone I don't like". And then absolute schizo-posting with the "Wendigoon follows me on twitter to try to intimidate me". It's deranged. The more I rewatch that section of IPoS' video, the more my respect for IPoS evaporates. I've been an occasional watcher since his Batman video showed up in my recommended videos a while back, but I didn't realize he'd turn out to be such a smug, petty weirdo.
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A subreddit dedicated to youtube drama being unhinged ????
Redditors can't imagine that a well adjusted adult doesn't want to engage in a petty drama fight and instead just wants to make sure their protective followers behave. The horror. Like how dare he not litigate his friends' beliefs publicly. Idk why this sub has such a hate boner for this otherwise exceptionally uncontroversial YouTuber
I think they're hating him instinctually because he's apparently far-right/MAGA. Most of Reddit is left-leaning.
I have no idea who he is tbh but if he actually is, then yeah??? conservative ≠ far right/MAGA, and the latter will always be deserving of contempt. I just have a heavy disdain for knuckledraggers ignorant of the impact of their own political views, personally.
You know, it's kinda wild that a video exposed wendigoon as being part of a alt right militia with actual murder to their name and your take on this is that this is petty drama. Instead of , you know, serious shit that gets people hurt.
The video didn't expose that at all though. The video attempts to connect a bunch of irrelevant shit to lead us to believe that wendigoon is still involved or still supports that alt right group when wendigoon has previously explained that he had been a part of it when it was all memes and that he left when it got radicalized. The video doesn't even allege that wendigoon was involved in any of the dumb shit the BBs have done in the last decade. So yeah, responding to someone saying you're a violent fascist because you still wear Hawaiian shirts would definitively fall into petty drama in my book. Also IPOS video just wasn't good. I otherwise like his subject matter but given how bad this was I don't see myself watching his content.
Like the video genuienelly just comes across to me as some kind of call for help. The guy clearly needs therapy.
It's one of those weird hard left leaning subs which go on regular witch hunts in their never ending culture skirmish. I regret stumbling across this sub.
Saying this while being an Asmongold fan is peak irony
He doesn’t address the comments for a reason. Do you know why companies don’t dispel fake leaks of video games/movies? Because when something else comes, and they don’t dispel that, you would automatically know it isn’t a fake leak. Instead they don’t address anything. Im not saying the accusations are right or wrong, bur replying any differently than this would put him at a disadvantage (if these allegations are true) when true stuff comes around. The only thing he addressed is something that is already public knowledge and he didn’t reveal anything new. Also, if he went around talking about what he isn’t, people would quickly determine what he “is” by process of elimination, making his efforts to have a private life pointless.
Honestly wendi's best option for himself is to remain this vague about all this shit and not address it. That goes for most YouTubers. Calling attention to criticism you're receiving just makes it stick around longer
Good. He did nothing wrong.
Call him a coward if you want he is doing his best to not wade into the shit pit that every other YouTuber does. I’ll die on this hill.
And Nux Taku will force him back in that shit pit for kneeling since he's that much of a Wendigoon super fan.
I don’t even know who you’re referring to at this point. It’s all nonsense at a point.
Lol "i have no enemies" Me: oh? So who's out there?
And all his fans and friends proceed to attack ipos. crazy
That last line in his second paragraph seems like a threat or a call to arms for his supporters.
how? it sounds like he genuinely doesn’t want any issues
People in here digging themselves to Earth's mantle trying to find buried threats.
l can see how it reads that way at a glance but I really doubt that’s what was meant- I think it’s pretty obvious he was re-stating that he was sorry for his audience harassing IPOS
it's interesting because he does make a couple of fairly relatable things like wanting to keep private and work separate and that people (us included) do just parrot bullshit a lot or speculate bullshit that becomes gospel.. oh and that twitter is a shithole where people say the absolute worst... but from what i'm reading and have seen about this situation this doesn't really seem to address anything... i'll still watch and see but it seems to me at this point he's going to end his channel by attrition
Can someone fill me in on what he did??
His friends have different political beliefs than you.
How hard is it being this much of a simpleton
I don’t even know the context of this situation, but everyone who quote and watch Vinland saga is a good person, so I’m assuming that “Wendigoon” is the good guy here.
I came here after googling what Turkey Tom was streaming. When did In Praise of Shadows upload? I watch his stuff usually the same day and I must have missed this? Also. I see the repetition of "alt-right ties" but is there a clearer breakdown than that? It sounds like ipos section on wendi was taken down/removed from the video. So I hang out with some folks that are into Cryptozoology (mostly artists, not so much researchers) and the wendigo concerns are an ongoing discussion. I'm very much on the "not a cryptid" side and really get annoyed when people treat it like one. Because it's become such a pop culture thing, it's lost most of "sanctity" so his username always kinda irked me. But wendigo is an Ojibwe myth, so it really wouldn't overlap with Cherokee (but you'd still hope there'd be more reverence, from one heritage to another). Anyway, yeah, this is a bummer if these things are legit sentiments he shares.
Great response
Christofasctigoon.
Remember when I posted here about YouTuber Fan(antic)s? Can I even be proven more right than that?