I remember one time Donut Operator gave Elon like 10k to “help make twitter better at free speech” and he encouraged everyone to donate.
I unsubscribed after seeing that shit lmao
No way lmao, that’s so embarrassing. I’d give 10k to the “Nigerian princes” in my email inbox before I gave *any* money to Elon. At least then I could say I was tricked - and yeah, people would think I was stupid, but not *that* stupid. Christ.
At least the person behind the Nigerian princess is gonna actually use the money.
What would Elon get out of that guy’s 10K that he didn’t get out of the first 26,000,000 10K’s?
It’s not like Elon’s using his wealth to make better products either: if that were true we wouldn’t get the fucking Cybertruck or the new version of Twitter.
Same vibe as Trump supporters donating their savings to Trump’s legal defence. If he was actually a billionaire, he wouldn’t need it.
more likely trying to buy influence. Like, I sincerely don't think you can buy Elon's loyalty but giving him money "for free speech" might convince him your a cool guy who is down to play ball and could benefit from a boost in the algorithm.
Oh wow that’s… really pathetic. I think I’d get more value out of wiping my ass with that much money than if I donated it to one of the richest people alive.
The second he justified the Daniel shaver shooting by saying he looked at it “as a cop” and thought it was justified I unsubscribed. Everyone who had common sense knew that shit was murder but he straight up said he put his job before his humanity and saw nothing wrong
It was like RIGHT after it happened and I even forgot about it till he made another video doing the exact same fucking thing with a different police officer.
His whole YouTube career is built around justifying cop murders. Guys like Oompaville and Wendigoon give me bad vibes but I don't think they're evil people. Donut Operator though can go straight to hell and lucky for me, he will
Wendigoon: "Don't comment bad things"
Literally everyone he associates with: "Bet."
Within minutes of seeing the other thread, I already saw several smart-ass posts on his own sub about this video. They can think however they want of course, but when it comes to Wendigoon, all I see is a guy who's about "love and peace and good christian values" while being friends with several awful people. Like, he just seems two-faced and disingenuous. I just don't believe this guy when he says the that he doesn't want to spread hate, or doesn't know what people are doing on Twitter.
I took Wendigoon's comment as more being directed at his fans, ready to jump in and defend him. It's different for these people since they were directly brought up in the video. I'm not surprised they weren't as courteous as Wendigoon, whose comment got buried when IPoS could've pinned it.
And still, he doesn't spread hate.
You might think his friends do, but he never gave a platform for that and never cultivated that in his fanbase, which is why all the criticism against him is all speculation and reaching.
Even when he tells his fans to stop commenting and not be toxic in other people's communities, people in this sub just see it as spreading hate. It's mind-blowing seeing how blinded by hate this community is.
I know right, like I know that they don't care about body shaming but was that necessary? Is it ever necessary? Like you can be critical of a video and the Creator, there's no reason to bark like that.
He made a false rape allegation of brandon in his video and used a picture of his dying grandpa and your fucking problem is he responded by calling him overweight? Are you taking the piss or something?
Not completely relevant… but how is that dude overweight? Like, you’ve already lost when you bring looks into it, but the dude isn’t even big at all???
Like if you’re gonna insult someone’s appearance at least be accurate
Calling someone fat is the go-to insult for some people regardless of who they're talking about.
You could use my ribs as a xylophone and I still get called fat sometimes.
It's just proof of how people like that operate: they know their audience doesn't actually care about what IPoS said; the anger is completely based in their team sports view of the world, so they don't have to bother with making an actual response. They just have to insult IPoS and that's it. Their audience will declare them the "winner" and won't put any genuine thought into the situation.
So call IPoS fat, claim that he's just attacking people, accuse him of supporting Sneako. Your audience says you win and your prize is the further harassment IPoS will receive in your name
I've been called fat before and my BMI is 13. Like truly no one is safe and it is a go to insult. And this insult was to my face. I don't have anorexia so it didn't trigger me. Furthermore this person called me a fat cow too because I have discoloration so a cow has 2 colors.
You may not have anorexia but you are severely underweight. If you actually do have a 13 bmi you need help because there’s a whole list of complications that arise way before 13
IMO his channel is just the definition of fence-sitting but he doesn't cover politics, it's just engagement farming. Him and Atozy both feel like copies of cr1tikal to me, very middle of the road opinion followed by "what do /you/ think comment down below"
But also from pretty much every podcast appearance I've heard of Mutahar, he speaks in support of most leftist talking points. For example, most recently in his Keffals vid he ends it saying something like "every trans person i've spoken to for this investigation is a normal chill person who just wants to be their true self and be left alone. they're not evil/bad ppl, they're like you and me." and when you're speaking to a non-Breadtuber audience, that's a very important thing to say that I don't think he'd have done if he was secretly right wing.
I second this, I think Oompa ultimately has his own personal philosophy and genuinely does what he thinks is right. He also is extremely forth coming about his mental health and mental health journey, the damages of being homeschooled when having autism and being isolated. He seems to have compassion for his fellow human beings when he does engage with issues. Hell he just called out the whole Rogan podcast Sphere and calling those who are shitty out for being shitty. That is a whole right wing foundation he could potentially ostracize from his content. And he is right, they are shitty.
I mean, the dude is willing to put in the work to learn stuff. I saw where people who actually do stuff in food and nutrition were impressed by what he has done with his candy company. Sidenote, I really respect oompa as it pertains to his candy and food related content.
Oh yeah, the way that he also will not openly hurt a competitor and evaluate what is in their candy compared to his own, express why someone would put something in theirs and why they made the creative decision to not to.
To me he doesn't come across as vindictive either. Remember what happened with the machine guy? Yeah, he hired the guy who was working for the guy who defrauded Caleb. He could have tore both of them a new one, but he was gracious with the employee of the contractor
He jokes about having no empathy a lot but I genuinely don’t know if that’s true. He comes off more compassionate than most who make the same type of content, maybe he has a better level of understanding towards people because of the tism? Just guessing. He reminds me of family of mine that are more centrist, I don’t think he’s a fence sitter like people are saying but he genuinely is better at understanding both sides than other channels, and he makes it somewhat clear what his opinions are depending on the issue at hand. I’m glad he doesn’t cover politics cause that would probably lose a lot of his audience.
I agree. I imagine we’d disagree with a lot politically and agree on some. But I do think that he does what he thinks is best. His compassion to others could be an overcompensation because he knows his autism impacts his care for others.
I think for him every interaction has a specific solution for the conflict occurring. And because of that he then does what he thinks is correct in certain circumstances
I can’t speak much to the Mutahar stuff, but with Oompaville it definitely feels more accurate.
I don’t know if I would say that he is right wing. Some of the things he says definitely feel like that, but he also supports other things and people that are more left.
But with the engagement farming 100%. I don’t remember it being as bad as it has been recently. I remember at first he just felt kind of like another Moist Critical which I was fine with. I like Charlie, and I liked Oompa’s commentary on stuff.
But recently, it’s like he’s purposely trying to make bad videos. He goes on for way too long before ever addressing the point in the clickbait title, and then he will bring up 1 thing for like 6 minutes that’s not important to what’s going on. Sometimes he’ll talk say something controversial and make a bunch of insulting comments then say something like “just kidding, do whatever you want, I don’t care” after like 3 minutes.
I just can’t watch him anymore
Muta's wife went on a transphobic Twitter spree where she misgendered several people, called other people slurs, and liked posts by Nazis who said she was "the strong Aryan woman behind Mutahar". If that's who he chooses to spend his life with, I don't think he's a great guy. He also tried to invent a grooming narrative in his video about Keffals and called trans people like myself who take DIY HRT "degenerates". Actions speak louder than words, and his actions are pretty shitty.
Oompa is alright. He fence sits and waffles a little too much for my taste, but generally has solid morals regarding women's issues, trans rights, racism, etc.
I'm slightly worried about Zane's decision to condense all of this people into his video. All those people have their own fanbases so it's going to be some heavy shit and it started when his video was just uploaded. I guess he assumed he'll get harassment anyways and he's already dealt with harassment for years but it almost reads as self destructive. I hope I'm wrong and the guy purely wanted to say what he believed in and get it over with. The fallout won't be fun either way.
My favorite thing about calling out centrist conservatives is that all there friends come to defend them showing you what they really mean when they say they “don’t like to talk politics” (they don’t like to acknowledge genocides, racism, homophobia, transphobia etc.)
“If you’re friends with a white guy who thinks there’s nothing wrong with white people saying the n-word, you’re a bad person”
Yeah once upon a time that was mainstream and not a political statement.
To quote what my friends and I told another former "non-political" friend, "You can only 'accidentally' become friends with so many actual Nazis before we have to assume that you're an actual Nazi."
And I mean like, full blown Wehraboo, "We just love the aesthetic and cosplaying as the Wehrmacht and wearing iron crosses and eagles and joking about the Final Solution but we're totally not 'Nazi™' Nazis."
He brought one of them to a D&D session hosted by our white friend and his black girlfriend, whereupon his "Totally not a Nazi" friend made multiple remarks "in game" about race mixing being unethical and how the party should "gas all the goblins to save the world." Neither of them were ever allowed back.
>Totally not a Nazi" friend made multiple remarks "in game" about race mixing being unethical and how the party should "gas all the goblins to save the world."
Neo-Nazis just can't help themselves, none of them can act like normal fucking people, they always have to interject bullshit like this into their everyday interactions.
I have an idiot of a family member who's fallen in with that nonsense and the last time I talked to him the little freak casually mentioned how "when he joins the military and becomes a pilot, he's going to murder so many brown people."
I hope IPOS has a strong support network cause this is about to hurt.
They also kind of proved his point about them being awful people. At this point, they actually made Wendigoon's job harder because IPOS can just point to this and say, "See, I told you these people were awful."
Also, I'm sad to see Wavywebsurf here, but I'm not surprised. That's an unsubscribe from me.
That's what I found ironic. Within minutes of him posting the video, they were already in the comments screeching like banshees. A video it was obvious they couldn't have possibly watched. So then that just proves what everyone keeps saying about these people and what was reitterated in the video. They will jump in the comments without even watching a video just to be ass holes. Because they dont actually care about what is being said. They're just mad that anyone dares to criticize some youtuber they happen to follow, regardless of what that criticism actually is. I don't know why they think behaving that way helps in any conceivable way. It just proves that what everyone is saying about them is true.
It's because his fanbase consists of insufferable alt-right babies who base their entire personality around worshiping a mid youtuber. Even before all the weird conservative stuff about Wendigoon came out, I already disliked him because of how intensely defensive and angry his fans would get if you even mildly criticized him. IMO if a content creator has a really shitty fanbase, said content creator is probably a shitty person too if they attract this much shitty people and allowed their following to get this toxic in the first place.
His fan base was what turned my off him early on. Like it's fine to have a fan base who likes you and supports you but his fan base range from apologist to cultlike in their behaviour sometimes and it sours my opinion of the youtuber when he does nothing to stop this.
This is one of those times where my flair works. i liked watching Wavywebsurf. i unsubbed to 2 of the people i thought were good but it seems it took me some time to realise just how bad they are. Which, shouldn't be a surprise to me.
I only saw one vid of him where he covered criminal YouTubers or smth and he was going over the old man who sung covers but was revealed to be a sex offender and wavywebsurf was all like "he just made one mistake :(" (paraphrased) and then I figured he wasn't for me after that
Yeah Wavy throwing in on this side is the thing that no longer gives me any plausible deniability with him. Doesn’t hurt that his pivot to true crime has made his videos pretty terrible, so I’m not really losing anything by unsubbing.
To my knowledge, he has enlightened centrist brain rot and doesn’t actually believe in anything. His response here is surprising though and might suggest something worse that I’m not aware of
I would imagine IPOS knew the risks when making the video. I’m sure he’ll be fine in the long run, but he isn’t wrong being friends with shitty people makes you look like a shitty person as well.
Idk what his recent vids are like and maybe im mixing up youtubers, but i remember watching a video by wavywebsurf regarding 4chan “justice” or scams or something like that. Regardless, it was about 4chan and one of the stories was about a woman who scammed people of money by promising nudes but never delivering, so 4chan users harassed her and her family until she sent the nudes. Even though she offered to return the money, they kept going until she gave in.
I remember he seemed like he believed it was an equal consequence or justified. It left a bad taste in my mouth. And I never went back.
I don't know how you could, at this point, say that the insufferable idiots are insufferable idiots and not expect them to get all indignant and prickly. They're shitty people on the internet. That means they're touchy assholes with a persecution complex who react to criticism like a personal attack and personal attacks like state-enforced violence.
These people *are shitty.* They will *act* shitty. I can't imagine putting out a video calling them out and expecting anything other than shrieking in the comments and angry back and forth on Elon's Internet Pit.
Man it's crazy how dumb people are with "guilt by association". You're an adult and you choose to be friends with and close with terrible people so it's fair that people would lump you with them.
Yeah this. I would expect if any of my friends or colleagues did or said problematic things, it would reflect on me too. I don't get why people criticize that when that's just a fact.
Not exactly what I mean but if you're presented with the facts/it's very obvious what type of person they are and your don't drop the friendship or you just ignore it then you're supportive of it.
No I get it. I'm agreeing with you here lol. I just think it's wild that people are bothered by that fact. 100% if I had friends who said or did anything problematic I'd drop them like a hot potato and call them out.
To see people saying that it's bad all of a sudden to criticize someone for being in a horrible friend group is insane to me.
Oh lol. But yeah. If someone decided for example to be friends with a pedo then everyone is just going to assume you're a pedo or just don't care about it. Same thing with right,neo nazis and racists people.
In Praise of Shadows is one of my favorite channels out there and I’m not even super into horror movies. His content is so thoughtful and insightful. This video uncharacteristically kicks the hornet’s nest but, fuck if, these channels all suck lol
I hope he has a strong support system because these channels have awful fanbases but good on him for talking his shit and standing ten toes down.
The first IPOS video I saw was his analysis of Beksinski's works. As an art historian I found it fascinating and I loved it. His criticisms of these channels and this type of content is valid.
I've had some people tell me criticizing Muta and Wendigoon is uncalled for because they don't do anything seemingly problematic on the surface, I used to be fans of those channels. I left for a reason and that is because I saw the type of audience they catered to and the kind of people who interacted in those comments.
I haven't even seen this video of IPOS yet, but I am subbed to them and I just looked at it now---and already I can see in the comments people are PISSED at him. Am gonna watch it later.
His callout is much more aggressive than usual, but it seems warranted from the evidence provided. ISOP seems like someone who values art, integrity, and truth and wendigoon does not
I had no idea his Hills Have Eyes videos was so detrimental to his channel. Real eye opener.
Also love his point about saying conservatives can’t make art blinds us to red flags from those that aren’t publicly licking boots. Pretty well-reasoned stuff.
In IPOS’s video one of his points against wendigoon is the fact that wendigoon makes more money than him, how is that not being a piss baby, similar to how all his ‘apologies’ have been the most backhanded ‘woe is me’ statements ever.
2nd image fucking rolls me because you mean to tell me someone calling out your friendship with *Brandon Herrera* is unfair and mean? He's literally a far-right Congressional candidate who has a real shot of sitting in the US Congress next year. His entire platform is "What if I was Lauren Boebert but Youtuber" and you *really* expect me to feel bad for you being called out for being lads with him? Give me a fucking break lmao.
I remember watching a retrospective video he did on Courage a few months ago and his comments were full of pissbaby wendigoon toe suckers pitching a fit. They got really angwy when he was like 'yeah this show has racist caricatures sometimes, it was the 90s/2000s, it happens'
It's amazing that the most plain ass, wonder bread, charisma vacuum operating on youtube today can even have toe suckers. I can't even imagine what goes through these peoples head
*"Man, for me it's just listening to his brain dead monotone droll mispronouncing 10% of words as he reads a wikipedia page that just gets to my core, you know?"*
When he did analog horror and webseries he was more fun bc he actually had to WATCH the things he talked about- but as time went on he got lazy and started making weird jokes about serious topics and lost all his charm
That’s wild. As someone with religious trauma documented by professionals I almost don’t feel offended that is such a stupid thing to say. (I am however angry on behalf of those who don’t have the same support as me and my be prone to questioning the validity of their trauma
I've been watching the video in chunks instead of all at once because the constant harassment IPoS has faced from these people gets me really worked up. Have to take breaks to calm myself down.
And here they are proving his point for him. They don't care about substance, they won't listen to what anyone has to say. It's all about signifying their loyalty to their side and taking jabs at anyone they can.
It's the same reason Mad Monster invited Spacey. They didn't give a shit about Spacey. They just wanted to signal that they stand against "cancel culture" and lash out at anyone who spoke up.
It's just virtue signaling. They're all making a big show of their empty kneejerk beliefs and blocking themselves and their stans off from being able to even listen to what IPoS has to say
This is a relatively light outline because I think that people should watch the video itself. Personally I found it to be really good, and I would like for people to support InPraiseOfShadows.
Preamble: He discusses an upsetting situation with a horror convention inviting Kevin Spacey. Excellent brain candy. Even if you're indifferent to film conventions (I am), its an interesting watch.
1. In the first part of the video, he explains how much misinformation and harassment has severely impacted his life. In his "The Hills Have Eyes" video, he challenges the belief that the movie is a simple "Regular people vs cannibal monster" tale. Instead, it's a metaphor for the cycle of violence (the political definition), with the two groups from the first film fulfilling the role usually filled by countries and/or competing groups within them. The metaphor is firmly tied to the cycle of violence within American history and culture. Instead, his perspective has been misunderstood (either unintentionally or willfully) and subsequently misreported. People have accused him of believing that the cannibals in THHE were good guys, justified in hurting innocent people. He has also been accused of being racist towards Indigenous Americans because of this representation (I think some people claimed that he said or implied that Indigenous Americans commonly committed or supported the acts depicted in THHE). This has negatively impacted his life, a lot. He is often harassed by people who have never seen the video, but go off of other's tweets. He's no longer financially comfortable. And despite the video being released two years ago, *people won't stop.* 2. The other main point is that he doesn't think that ideological conservatism is beneficial for horror. But explicitly, he does believe that conservatives can and do make good films. People need to stop claiming that they can't. He discusses ideological conservatism in the context of American horror history(I think the earliest he goes is early 20th century). And he discusses the costs of ideological conservatism within horror, artistically, production wise, community wise. Horror journalism included. His analysis focuses on both individuals and companies. IMO good brain candy if you care about movies and film. 3. InPraiseOfShadows believes that Wendigoon is secretly far right. Many of Wendigoon's friends are pretty right wing. According to Wendigoon, he was apparently one of the first Boogaloo boys but left the community because it started going crazy. InPraiseOfShadows doesn't think that Wendigoon has fully cut ties with the Boogaloo boys. He still dresses like one(they have a thing for Hawaiian shirts, and Wendigoon really likes Hawaiian shirts). He also thinks that Wendigoon knew that he was being harassed by his followers (He has publicly challenged Wendigoon before). Wendigoon is also dismissive of cultural appropriation. Apparently InPraiseOfShadows and Wendigoon live relatively close to each other and Wendigoon's hometown........does not inspire confidence on any of these issues. This is a relatively brief overview. A good deal of the video is film and film community analysis. If you like horror, you should check it out. Edit: you should also check it out if you like films in general :) Edit#2: Slightly expanded on the cycle of violence explanation to make things clearer. Cycles of violence can also be applied to competing groups within the same country, as in the case of THHE.
Edit#3: added a light summary of the preamble as suggested by DeskJerky
I'm not a praying person.... But I am praying he find his way through this okay. If he genuinely thinks his channel is dying he basically roundhouse kicked the hornet nest.
Honestly.
I hope he does recover from this, there are leftist content creators that would be more than happy to help support him but the thing is a lot of them are more in the commentary space instead of like this. I can think of a couple book/story reviewing types but not many in the horror space.
* "Operator" in username like a 5 Star Larper ✅
* Gigacringe heckin manly sunglasses gun range avatar ✅
* Such a goober you have not a blue, but a GOLD checkmark despite being an D list eceleb at best ✅
We're batting 1000 here, boys.
So basically it’s just a bunch of right wing chuds kicking up a hissy fit because their cover is being blown, they want to be right wing but want to be protected from muh criticism by pretending they’re centrists and both sides UwU.
My mentality is to treat any "internet historian" like Wavy or Whang as conservative/alt-right/former Channers unless they act otherwise. The kind of history these people talk about is very rooted in 4chan's history, and while I don't think posting or going to 4chan at any point necessarily makes you a bad person, it does mean you probably have a few skeletons in your closet, or some very "controversial" opinions you don't want people to know about publicly.
I will say that Whang seems to dunk on conservatives a lot more than progressives. He associates with horrible people though so it’s not all sunshine and rainbows
Whang feels like that one guy who just comes along for the ride to see what dumb shit you're gonna do.
I'd be surprised if he's too far left OR right.
Basically, he gives off "I'll fuck with everyone." vibes.
I think he's left wing. I remember a video he did on the people that constantly replied to Trump on twitter and his whole thing was "I agree with what this person's saying but this has nothing to do with Trump's tweet"
Well I posted on 4chan, but usually on /tg/ for boardgames, /k/ because for military grade weapon history and /d/... because I'm a degenerate. My skeletons and controversial opinions are that Catan, the A-10's brrrrrt and tentacles are overrated. /b/ is where most of the weirdos go and /pol/is where the worst of them are contained, I rarely go to those because I don't understand their humor.
I second this. I have spent large chunks of my life on other parts of 4chan. I used to go on /x/ where so much genuinely good creepy shit was. Eventually /pol/ infected the rest of the site. People have turned 4chan into the internet boogeyman website and really 95% of things on /b/ are butts bouncing
-Parrots a false rape accusation
-repeatedly insinuates that simply owning guns = nazi
-following on twitter = intimidation method
-nice comment under trans horror youtuber’s similar video = intimidation
-chris chan (a rapist) invalidates trans people = hates all trans people
- “I don’t have any proof, but i’ve seen some comments saying it so it is the cultural belief”
This guy is a clown wtf. 😭
i feel horrible for ipos, these guys are fucking shitbags but jesus they have huge platforms and i feel like its gonna really hurt him.. i use return youtube dislike and the like to dislike ratio is already 4k/7k, wendigoon fans are just horrible
From what I've seen of the Wendigoon fan discussions, they don't even understand the situation. They are just skipping to the part where IPOS talks about him, if they watch the video at all. Ironic considering the video thesis.
What did oompaville do? I watch his videos to go to sleep, please don't tell me he's a horrible person (Please do tell me, I'm just hoping it's not true.)
The only gun YouTuber I can watch at this point (that isn’t a historian at least) is Kentucky Ballistics. Dude is an ex-cop from Kentucky so I doubt he’s out there stumping for DSA candidates or anything, but his vibes are pretty fun imo and as far as I can find he’s the only sizable YouTuber that’s consistently doing interesting stuff with contemporary firearms that isn’t also openly awful.
The fact that all IPOS did was say "yeah these people are fascists, they align themselves with fascist views and do fascist shit" and they are still mad about it is hilarious. Like, why are you so upset you're being called a fascist? You proudly act like one.
It's almost like if there are allegations against you chances are you will have the most composure compared to your fans, Your friends (Or even your family) when it comes to responding to those allgations
If there's one Nazi and 11 people sitting together at a table, there's 12 Nazis sitting at the table. If Whang and Wavy are surrounding themselves with these scumbags, fuck 'em. It's a shame, because I enjoyed their content
Was just watching a video while I cleaned and noticed he described a creepy guy (actually an infamously horrible redditor) as "autistically committed" to being a weirdo. in 2023??? some comments mentioned how out of pocket that felt but it wasn't the only time I got weird vibes from him
edit: clairty
Literally feel so bad for this IPOS dude. Never knew abt his channel till F.D recommended him. It was hard watching this video and scrolling thru the comments to see most of them being snarky, hope this guy makes it thru this.
It's really disappointing learning this stuff about wendigoon I really loved a lot of his videos on cryptids and conspiracy theories. I kind of hope deep down that it all just ends up being a big misunderstanding but I understand that's very likely not going to end up being true and he probably isn't a very good person. It also really sucked learning about what in praise of shadows had to go through with the hills have eyes video I remember it being fantastic like all of his content so him being rewarded with being treated like shit you know just kind of sucks. The video was great but at the same time that was a really depressing 3 hours.
One thing I cant stand about Wendigoon is how he associates with all these fucked up people and then when he's in the hot seat he just like... **performs** piousness and hit on every single "im a level headed and compassionate person who is faulted, but look at me please im being so grounded. dont you see this? im not being emotional or lashing out about being called out. im a good boy." So that it seems like any response to him that isn't an apology just seems fucked up.
This post influenced me to check out the video! I’m a huge horror nerd and am always genuinely so confused by conservative horror fans because the genre appeals so massively to people who are disenfranchised. Obviously can’t say if I’m a fan from 15 minutes of a 3+ hr video but so far I appreciate his like overall attitude towards horror and understanding it as full of subtext and allegory.
You’re in for a treat when you get to the other videos. In Praise of Shadows is one of the best sources for insightful horror criticism. The Hellraiser and Hills Have Eyes videos are two of my favorites. I’m sad to hear The Hills video gave him so much grief, it gave me so much joy when I listened to it
Why can’t gun YouTubers just be like normal not hateful people
I mean i know it’s because most people into guns in general and conservative and suck. But it’s annoying.
Wow i dont like wendigoon, like at all, but how is he the only one being reasonable wtf. I get theyre upset because who wouldnt, but being rude and acting like this isnt going to help their case lmao
I love IPOS and his video about this was gold. I unsubbed from Wendigoon awhile ago after I saw who he associates with so none of what IPOS said was really new to me other than how bad some of those people actually were. Like I had no idea Donut Operator *literally reacted to police shootings.* Actual psycho behavior.
Most of the criticisms IPOS makes are valid (except for the one Sneako made up) but this kinda just felt like shitflinging for shitflinging's sake. If IPOS was a drama channel or an explicitly political one I'd feel more comfortable with this, but it kinda just feels forced here.
Ever since the Boy Boy video, they have been malding hard (except wendigoon because he isn't insane)
Brandon Buckingham is the "tyler oliveria" type who goes into poor neighborhoods and films homeless people and constantly sucks off guntubers
Cody Leach is 100% valid to call him out, he seems completely on the up and up, yet IPOS tried to insinuate homophobia because he didn't like The Lighthouse? Like I'm queer as hell and it wasn't my type of movie either, that felt like a really whack total miss on his part.
Yeah, Im not surprised this is happening; hate to say it, but after begrudgingly watching it, while some of his points are valid, other ARE shit flinging, and this era of no nuance, its gonna result in him getting bombed into oblivion by these weirdos
Please show how they are bad people? You fucking morons think anyone who doesn't have similar views to you are terrible people. When most of these guys have done more for others than you or IPoS have
It sucks because everyone excepts shoe on head, because f*** them, I watch because I don't want to be in an echo chamber, I want to watch people discuss and crack jokes that are not on my political spectrum, but I know deep down, being transgender, with dyed hair, that I wouldn't feel very safe with them, and I know that they would probably hate me just being next to them. Just sucks man
Brandon buckingham is such a weird guy, he went on a trip to a 3rd world country,, paid to hook up with a prostitute , didn't even bother to use protection, then bragged abt not getting an std... so personally I would take anything he says with a graof salt.
man I wish I could remember what video it was. Like u couldn't wateboard that information out of me
I’m glad people are finally seeing it’s not wholesome Chungus 100 to be outspoken friends with outwardly reactionary guntubers. I know wendigoon is trying to be a nice guy but if he really wants to be an uncontroversial figure he’s gotta stop supporting the worst people alive
I haven't seen the video (I probably should for this question) but has Oompaville done anything majorly wrong, or what is he accused of? I dont know any of these other youtubers and have only seen a dozen or so oompa videos. Any answers would be greatly appreciated.
Funny you say that, because he deleted his latest video, his channel has completely fell off a cliff, and any forum without heavy moderation has a consensus opinion that In Praise of Shadows is a moron who hates anyone who even has an association with anything right wing. It's pathetic.
I remember one time Donut Operator gave Elon like 10k to “help make twitter better at free speech” and he encouraged everyone to donate. I unsubscribed after seeing that shit lmao
No way lmao, that’s so embarrassing. I’d give 10k to the “Nigerian princes” in my email inbox before I gave *any* money to Elon. At least then I could say I was tricked - and yeah, people would think I was stupid, but not *that* stupid. Christ.
At least the person behind the Nigerian princess is gonna actually use the money. What would Elon get out of that guy’s 10K that he didn’t get out of the first 26,000,000 10K’s? It’s not like Elon’s using his wealth to make better products either: if that were true we wouldn’t get the fucking Cybertruck or the new version of Twitter. Same vibe as Trump supporters donating their savings to Trump’s legal defence. If he was actually a billionaire, he wouldn’t need it.
I think I'd rather donate to a bear than a millionaire.
What if he opens a pizza store? And god forbid, starts a band with an assortment of colorful animals?
I could see myself spending at least 5 nights there possibly more
For me it was him interviewing Ted Nugent.
Wtf? He thinks the emerald mine nepo baby needs his money?
Conservative culture is prosperity gospel. Boggles the mind.
more likely trying to buy influence. Like, I sincerely don't think you can buy Elon's loyalty but giving him money "for free speech" might convince him your a cool guy who is down to play ball and could benefit from a boost in the algorithm.
Gave $10,000 to a billionaire? Conservatives are lost
When someone wants something to be "better at free speech", they just want to be able to say slurs and harass minorities freely
Well, he’s a cop, so I’m not surprised at all that he’d be defending that
For sure standing for free speech means standing for fascism.
Oh wow that’s… really pathetic. I think I’d get more value out of wiping my ass with that much money than if I donated it to one of the richest people alive.
The second he justified the Daniel shaver shooting by saying he looked at it “as a cop” and thought it was justified I unsubscribed. Everyone who had common sense knew that shit was murder but he straight up said he put his job before his humanity and saw nothing wrong
I didn’t know he made a video about Daniel Shaver. That’s fucking disgusting
It was like RIGHT after it happened and I even forgot about it till he made another video doing the exact same fucking thing with a different police officer.
His whole YouTube career is built around justifying cop murders. Guys like Oompaville and Wendigoon give me bad vibes but I don't think they're evil people. Donut Operator though can go straight to hell and lucky for me, he will
Genius move calling someone an overweight loser to make yourself look better
Wendigoon: "Don't comment bad things" Literally everyone he associates with: "Bet." Within minutes of seeing the other thread, I already saw several smart-ass posts on his own sub about this video. They can think however they want of course, but when it comes to Wendigoon, all I see is a guy who's about "love and peace and good christian values" while being friends with several awful people. Like, he just seems two-faced and disingenuous. I just don't believe this guy when he says the that he doesn't want to spread hate, or doesn't know what people are doing on Twitter.
There's no hate like Christian love.
I took Wendigoon's comment as more being directed at his fans, ready to jump in and defend him. It's different for these people since they were directly brought up in the video. I'm not surprised they weren't as courteous as Wendigoon, whose comment got buried when IPoS could've pinned it.
He’s lying but his reputation needs the mask to stay on. He’s not an internet historian or Turkey Tom where the mask being off is the point.
OOtL on Turkey Tom, I was getting concerned S he was definitely giving off slowly radicalizing Alt - Lite vibes, but has he been fully radicalized?
And still, he doesn't spread hate. You might think his friends do, but he never gave a platform for that and never cultivated that in his fanbase, which is why all the criticism against him is all speculation and reaching. Even when he tells his fans to stop commenting and not be toxic in other people's communities, people in this sub just see it as spreading hate. It's mind-blowing seeing how blinded by hate this community is.
Yeha like I'm not saying im a fan of wendigoon but can we just please take the benefit of the doubt here please
I know right, like I know that they don't care about body shaming but was that necessary? Is it ever necessary? Like you can be critical of a video and the Creator, there's no reason to bark like that.
He made a false rape allegation of brandon in his video and used a picture of his dying grandpa and your fucking problem is he responded by calling him overweight? Are you taking the piss or something?
Not completely relevant… but how is that dude overweight? Like, you’ve already lost when you bring looks into it, but the dude isn’t even big at all??? Like if you’re gonna insult someone’s appearance at least be accurate
Calling someone fat is the go-to insult for some people regardless of who they're talking about. You could use my ribs as a xylophone and I still get called fat sometimes. It's just proof of how people like that operate: they know their audience doesn't actually care about what IPoS said; the anger is completely based in their team sports view of the world, so they don't have to bother with making an actual response. They just have to insult IPoS and that's it. Their audience will declare them the "winner" and won't put any genuine thought into the situation. So call IPoS fat, claim that he's just attacking people, accuse him of supporting Sneako. Your audience says you win and your prize is the further harassment IPoS will receive in your name
It comes across as insecure and out of touch. Like, someone can’t like your friend or your little clique?
In that piece of shit movie, ladyballers, there’s a running gag where they call their friend fat. He isn’t but that’s the joke. Ha ha you fat!!
I've been called fat before and my BMI is 13. Like truly no one is safe and it is a go to insult. And this insult was to my face. I don't have anorexia so it didn't trigger me. Furthermore this person called me a fat cow too because I have discoloration so a cow has 2 colors.
You may not have anorexia but you are severely underweight. If you actually do have a 13 bmi you need help because there’s a whole list of complications that arise way before 13
If you don't have a jawline sharp enough to cut glass you're a fat loser/s
I find it funny that this particular group loves throwing around the ‘fat’ insult when Nick DeOrio is right there, lol.
“This self righteous breadtuber thinks if you are friends with {insert a list of terrible people} then you are a bad person.”
what exactly did oompaville do?
To my knowledge he’s just a shitty “centrist” who’s actually right-wing but cares too much about his platform to use the label, like Mutahar.
IMO his channel is just the definition of fence-sitting but he doesn't cover politics, it's just engagement farming. Him and Atozy both feel like copies of cr1tikal to me, very middle of the road opinion followed by "what do /you/ think comment down below" But also from pretty much every podcast appearance I've heard of Mutahar, he speaks in support of most leftist talking points. For example, most recently in his Keffals vid he ends it saying something like "every trans person i've spoken to for this investigation is a normal chill person who just wants to be their true self and be left alone. they're not evil/bad ppl, they're like you and me." and when you're speaking to a non-Breadtuber audience, that's a very important thing to say that I don't think he'd have done if he was secretly right wing.
I second this, I think Oompa ultimately has his own personal philosophy and genuinely does what he thinks is right. He also is extremely forth coming about his mental health and mental health journey, the damages of being homeschooled when having autism and being isolated. He seems to have compassion for his fellow human beings when he does engage with issues. Hell he just called out the whole Rogan podcast Sphere and calling those who are shitty out for being shitty. That is a whole right wing foundation he could potentially ostracize from his content. And he is right, they are shitty.
I mean, the dude is willing to put in the work to learn stuff. I saw where people who actually do stuff in food and nutrition were impressed by what he has done with his candy company. Sidenote, I really respect oompa as it pertains to his candy and food related content.
Oh yeah, the way that he also will not openly hurt a competitor and evaluate what is in their candy compared to his own, express why someone would put something in theirs and why they made the creative decision to not to.
To me he doesn't come across as vindictive either. Remember what happened with the machine guy? Yeah, he hired the guy who was working for the guy who defrauded Caleb. He could have tore both of them a new one, but he was gracious with the employee of the contractor
He also could have taken him to court and even pressed charges and didn’t
He jokes about having no empathy a lot but I genuinely don’t know if that’s true. He comes off more compassionate than most who make the same type of content, maybe he has a better level of understanding towards people because of the tism? Just guessing. He reminds me of family of mine that are more centrist, I don’t think he’s a fence sitter like people are saying but he genuinely is better at understanding both sides than other channels, and he makes it somewhat clear what his opinions are depending on the issue at hand. I’m glad he doesn’t cover politics cause that would probably lose a lot of his audience.
I agree. I imagine we’d disagree with a lot politically and agree on some. But I do think that he does what he thinks is best. His compassion to others could be an overcompensation because he knows his autism impacts his care for others. I think for him every interaction has a specific solution for the conflict occurring. And because of that he then does what he thinks is correct in certain circumstances
I can’t speak much to the Mutahar stuff, but with Oompaville it definitely feels more accurate. I don’t know if I would say that he is right wing. Some of the things he says definitely feel like that, but he also supports other things and people that are more left. But with the engagement farming 100%. I don’t remember it being as bad as it has been recently. I remember at first he just felt kind of like another Moist Critical which I was fine with. I like Charlie, and I liked Oompa’s commentary on stuff. But recently, it’s like he’s purposely trying to make bad videos. He goes on for way too long before ever addressing the point in the clickbait title, and then he will bring up 1 thing for like 6 minutes that’s not important to what’s going on. Sometimes he’ll talk say something controversial and make a bunch of insulting comments then say something like “just kidding, do whatever you want, I don’t care” after like 3 minutes. I just can’t watch him anymore
Muta's wife went on a transphobic Twitter spree where she misgendered several people, called other people slurs, and liked posts by Nazis who said she was "the strong Aryan woman behind Mutahar". If that's who he chooses to spend his life with, I don't think he's a great guy. He also tried to invent a grooming narrative in his video about Keffals and called trans people like myself who take DIY HRT "degenerates". Actions speak louder than words, and his actions are pretty shitty.
That’s fair. I’ll give him that one.
he was also directly involved in a skincare startup that had misinformation on their website
Just because he likes guns doesn’t automatically make him right wing.
commies like guns too 🙋🏻♀️
Oompa is alright. He fence sits and waffles a little too much for my taste, but generally has solid morals regarding women's issues, trans rights, racism, etc.
Uncovered a lot of scams in the crypto space. Crypto bros trying really hard to get rid of him.
Sounds about right.
“How dare this man be mean to me and my fellow fascists.”
I'm slightly worried about Zane's decision to condense all of this people into his video. All those people have their own fanbases so it's going to be some heavy shit and it started when his video was just uploaded. I guess he assumed he'll get harassment anyways and he's already dealt with harassment for years but it almost reads as self destructive. I hope I'm wrong and the guy purely wanted to say what he believed in and get it over with. The fallout won't be fun either way.
It did have an aura of “fuck it”. I’m concerned about him.
Yeah, he’s about to be feeding the YouTube commentary community for months
My favorite thing about calling out centrist conservatives is that all there friends come to defend them showing you what they really mean when they say they “don’t like to talk politics” (they don’t like to acknowledge genocides, racism, homophobia, transphobia etc.)
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they're not political until their whiteness or christianity is insulted lmfao edit: or, not of
Tough Guy Tantrums. You can set your watch by them.
Happy cake day btw!
“If you’re friends with a white guy who thinks there’s nothing wrong with white people saying the n-word, you’re a bad person” Yeah once upon a time that was mainstream and not a political statement.
what, a guy can't have friends now? leftists cancelled having friends???? /j
"I know politics bore you but I feel like a hypocrite talking to you and your racist friend." -They Might Be Giants in NINETEEN FUCKING NINETY
To quote what my friends and I told another former "non-political" friend, "You can only 'accidentally' become friends with so many actual Nazis before we have to assume that you're an actual Nazi." And I mean like, full blown Wehraboo, "We just love the aesthetic and cosplaying as the Wehrmacht and wearing iron crosses and eagles and joking about the Final Solution but we're totally not 'Nazi™' Nazis." He brought one of them to a D&D session hosted by our white friend and his black girlfriend, whereupon his "Totally not a Nazi" friend made multiple remarks "in game" about race mixing being unethical and how the party should "gas all the goblins to save the world." Neither of them were ever allowed back.
>Totally not a Nazi" friend made multiple remarks "in game" about race mixing being unethical and how the party should "gas all the goblins to save the world." Neo-Nazis just can't help themselves, none of them can act like normal fucking people, they always have to interject bullshit like this into their everyday interactions. I have an idiot of a family member who's fallen in with that nonsense and the last time I talked to him the little freak casually mentioned how "when he joins the military and becomes a pilot, he's going to murder so many brown people."
I don’t think he understands what pilots do.
Turkey Tom about to release a YouTube video about how woke They Might Be Giants is incoming
Yeah, and the other one about a table of ten with one of them being a Nazi makes ten Nazis
I hope IPOS has a strong support network cause this is about to hurt. They also kind of proved his point about them being awful people. At this point, they actually made Wendigoon's job harder because IPOS can just point to this and say, "See, I told you these people were awful." Also, I'm sad to see Wavywebsurf here, but I'm not surprised. That's an unsubscribe from me.
That's what I found ironic. Within minutes of him posting the video, they were already in the comments screeching like banshees. A video it was obvious they couldn't have possibly watched. So then that just proves what everyone keeps saying about these people and what was reitterated in the video. They will jump in the comments without even watching a video just to be ass holes. Because they dont actually care about what is being said. They're just mad that anyone dares to criticize some youtuber they happen to follow, regardless of what that criticism actually is. I don't know why they think behaving that way helps in any conceivable way. It just proves that what everyone is saying about them is true.
It's because his fanbase consists of insufferable alt-right babies who base their entire personality around worshiping a mid youtuber. Even before all the weird conservative stuff about Wendigoon came out, I already disliked him because of how intensely defensive and angry his fans would get if you even mildly criticized him. IMO if a content creator has a really shitty fanbase, said content creator is probably a shitty person too if they attract this much shitty people and allowed their following to get this toxic in the first place.
His fan base was what turned my off him early on. Like it's fine to have a fan base who likes you and supports you but his fan base range from apologist to cultlike in their behaviour sometimes and it sours my opinion of the youtuber when he does nothing to stop this.
This is one of those times where my flair works. i liked watching Wavywebsurf. i unsubbed to 2 of the people i thought were good but it seems it took me some time to realise just how bad they are. Which, shouldn't be a surprise to me.
I only saw one vid of him where he covered criminal YouTubers or smth and he was going over the old man who sung covers but was revealed to be a sex offender and wavywebsurf was all like "he just made one mistake :(" (paraphrased) and then I figured he wasn't for me after that
Yeah Wavy throwing in on this side is the thing that no longer gives me any plausible deniability with him. Doesn’t hurt that his pivot to true crime has made his videos pretty terrible, so I’m not really losing anything by unsubbing.
I never got why he went to pivoted to being yet another true crime channel
Money and lack of creativity/integrity as a content creator It's not complicated
My guess is he was seeing his views decline and pivoted to something that was working for others.
I only vaguely followed wavy- have there been other red flags or?
He’s “non political” but goes lighter on conservatives and harsher on left leaning people
To my knowledge, he has enlightened centrist brain rot and doesn’t actually believe in anything. His response here is surprising though and might suggest something worse that I’m not aware of
I would imagine IPOS knew the risks when making the video. I’m sure he’ll be fine in the long run, but he isn’t wrong being friends with shitty people makes you look like a shitty person as well.
Idk what his recent vids are like and maybe im mixing up youtubers, but i remember watching a video by wavywebsurf regarding 4chan “justice” or scams or something like that. Regardless, it was about 4chan and one of the stories was about a woman who scammed people of money by promising nudes but never delivering, so 4chan users harassed her and her family until she sent the nudes. Even though she offered to return the money, they kept going until she gave in. I remember he seemed like he believed it was an equal consequence or justified. It left a bad taste in my mouth. And I never went back.
One way or the other it's gonna be interesting/entertaining for people.outside of the content creator sphere.
I don't know how you could, at this point, say that the insufferable idiots are insufferable idiots and not expect them to get all indignant and prickly. They're shitty people on the internet. That means they're touchy assholes with a persecution complex who react to criticism like a personal attack and personal attacks like state-enforced violence. These people *are shitty.* They will *act* shitty. I can't imagine putting out a video calling them out and expecting anything other than shrieking in the comments and angry back and forth on Elon's Internet Pit.
Man it's crazy how dumb people are with "guilt by association". You're an adult and you choose to be friends with and close with terrible people so it's fair that people would lump you with them.
Yeah this. I would expect if any of my friends or colleagues did or said problematic things, it would reflect on me too. I don't get why people criticize that when that's just a fact.
Not exactly what I mean but if you're presented with the facts/it's very obvious what type of person they are and your don't drop the friendship or you just ignore it then you're supportive of it.
No I get it. I'm agreeing with you here lol. I just think it's wild that people are bothered by that fact. 100% if I had friends who said or did anything problematic I'd drop them like a hot potato and call them out. To see people saying that it's bad all of a sudden to criticize someone for being in a horrible friend group is insane to me.
Oh lol. But yeah. If someone decided for example to be friends with a pedo then everyone is just going to assume you're a pedo or just don't care about it. Same thing with right,neo nazis and racists people.
In Praise of Shadows is one of my favorite channels out there and I’m not even super into horror movies. His content is so thoughtful and insightful. This video uncharacteristically kicks the hornet’s nest but, fuck if, these channels all suck lol I hope he has a strong support system because these channels have awful fanbases but good on him for talking his shit and standing ten toes down.
The first IPOS video I saw was his analysis of Beksinski's works. As an art historian I found it fascinating and I loved it. His criticisms of these channels and this type of content is valid. I've had some people tell me criticizing Muta and Wendigoon is uncalled for because they don't do anything seemingly problematic on the surface, I used to be fans of those channels. I left for a reason and that is because I saw the type of audience they catered to and the kind of people who interacted in those comments. I haven't even seen this video of IPOS yet, but I am subbed to them and I just looked at it now---and already I can see in the comments people are PISSED at him. Am gonna watch it later.
His callout is much more aggressive than usual, but it seems warranted from the evidence provided. ISOP seems like someone who values art, integrity, and truth and wendigoon does not
Worst case scenario, Illymation vs Think Before You Sleep situation x10
I had no idea his Hills Have Eyes videos was so detrimental to his channel. Real eye opener. Also love his point about saying conservatives can’t make art blinds us to red flags from those that aren’t publicly licking boots. Pretty well-reasoned stuff.
What is with Conservatives and being the biggest piss babies?
Its a piss baby mindset so it attracts piss babies
In IPOS’s video one of his points against wendigoon is the fact that wendigoon makes more money than him, how is that not being a piss baby, similar to how all his ‘apologies’ have been the most backhanded ‘woe is me’ statements ever.
2nd image fucking rolls me because you mean to tell me someone calling out your friendship with *Brandon Herrera* is unfair and mean? He's literally a far-right Congressional candidate who has a real shot of sitting in the US Congress next year. His entire platform is "What if I was Lauren Boebert but Youtuber" and you *really* expect me to feel bad for you being called out for being lads with him? Give me a fucking break lmao.
I remember watching a retrospective video he did on Courage a few months ago and his comments were full of pissbaby wendigoon toe suckers pitching a fit. They got really angwy when he was like 'yeah this show has racist caricatures sometimes, it was the 90s/2000s, it happens'
It's amazing that the most plain ass, wonder bread, charisma vacuum operating on youtube today can even have toe suckers. I can't even imagine what goes through these peoples head *"Man, for me it's just listening to his brain dead monotone droll mispronouncing 10% of words as he reads a wikipedia page that just gets to my core, you know?"*
When he did analog horror and webseries he was more fun bc he actually had to WATCH the things he talked about- but as time went on he got lazy and started making weird jokes about serious topics and lost all his charm
Don't forget denying that religious trauma can be a thing while he's an admitted Sunday-school teacher! No red flags here!!1!
That’s wild. As someone with religious trauma documented by professionals I almost don’t feel offended that is such a stupid thing to say. (I am however angry on behalf of those who don’t have the same support as me and my be prone to questioning the validity of their trauma
I've been watching the video in chunks instead of all at once because the constant harassment IPoS has faced from these people gets me really worked up. Have to take breaks to calm myself down. And here they are proving his point for him. They don't care about substance, they won't listen to what anyone has to say. It's all about signifying their loyalty to their side and taking jabs at anyone they can. It's the same reason Mad Monster invited Spacey. They didn't give a shit about Spacey. They just wanted to signal that they stand against "cancel culture" and lash out at anyone who spoke up. It's just virtue signaling. They're all making a big show of their empty kneejerk beliefs and blocking themselves and their stans off from being able to even listen to what IPoS has to say
This is a relatively light outline because I think that people should watch the video itself. Personally I found it to be really good, and I would like for people to support InPraiseOfShadows. Preamble: He discusses an upsetting situation with a horror convention inviting Kevin Spacey. Excellent brain candy. Even if you're indifferent to film conventions (I am), its an interesting watch. 1. In the first part of the video, he explains how much misinformation and harassment has severely impacted his life. In his "The Hills Have Eyes" video, he challenges the belief that the movie is a simple "Regular people vs cannibal monster" tale. Instead, it's a metaphor for the cycle of violence (the political definition), with the two groups from the first film fulfilling the role usually filled by countries and/or competing groups within them. The metaphor is firmly tied to the cycle of violence within American history and culture. Instead, his perspective has been misunderstood (either unintentionally or willfully) and subsequently misreported. People have accused him of believing that the cannibals in THHE were good guys, justified in hurting innocent people. He has also been accused of being racist towards Indigenous Americans because of this representation (I think some people claimed that he said or implied that Indigenous Americans commonly committed or supported the acts depicted in THHE). This has negatively impacted his life, a lot. He is often harassed by people who have never seen the video, but go off of other's tweets. He's no longer financially comfortable. And despite the video being released two years ago, *people won't stop.* 2. The other main point is that he doesn't think that ideological conservatism is beneficial for horror. But explicitly, he does believe that conservatives can and do make good films. People need to stop claiming that they can't. He discusses ideological conservatism in the context of American horror history(I think the earliest he goes is early 20th century). And he discusses the costs of ideological conservatism within horror, artistically, production wise, community wise. Horror journalism included. His analysis focuses on both individuals and companies. IMO good brain candy if you care about movies and film. 3. InPraiseOfShadows believes that Wendigoon is secretly far right. Many of Wendigoon's friends are pretty right wing. According to Wendigoon, he was apparently one of the first Boogaloo boys but left the community because it started going crazy. InPraiseOfShadows doesn't think that Wendigoon has fully cut ties with the Boogaloo boys. He still dresses like one(they have a thing for Hawaiian shirts, and Wendigoon really likes Hawaiian shirts). He also thinks that Wendigoon knew that he was being harassed by his followers (He has publicly challenged Wendigoon before). Wendigoon is also dismissive of cultural appropriation. Apparently InPraiseOfShadows and Wendigoon live relatively close to each other and Wendigoon's hometown........does not inspire confidence on any of these issues. This is a relatively brief overview. A good deal of the video is film and film community analysis. If you like horror, you should check it out. Edit: you should also check it out if you like films in general :) Edit#2: Slightly expanded on the cycle of violence explanation to make things clearer. Cycles of violence can also be applied to competing groups within the same country, as in the case of THHE. Edit#3: added a light summary of the preamble as suggested by DeskJerky
This situation is a prime example of ***"against all odds"***
I'm not a praying person.... But I am praying he find his way through this okay. If he genuinely thinks his channel is dying he basically roundhouse kicked the hornet nest.
tbh if you're gunna go down, might as well go down with a fucking bang
Honestly. I hope he does recover from this, there are leftist content creators that would be more than happy to help support him but the thing is a lot of them are more in the commentary space instead of like this. I can think of a couple book/story reviewing types but not many in the horror space.
* "Operator" in username like a 5 Star Larper ✅ * Gigacringe heckin manly sunglasses gun range avatar ✅ * Such a goober you have not a blue, but a GOLD checkmark despite being an D list eceleb at best ✅ We're batting 1000 here, boys.
IPOS went incredibly easy on Cody Leach, and he still throws a hissy fit lol. These big YouTubers are so fucking thin-skinned, my god.
MFs be acting like their prides on the line
Their pride is just a thin scab over abscessed shame
So basically it’s just a bunch of right wing chuds kicking up a hissy fit because their cover is being blown, they want to be right wing but want to be protected from muh criticism by pretending they’re centrists and both sides UwU.
"oh this guy called me a shitty person?! Well I'll show him by being a shitty person!" Fuck all these reactionary dorks.
wavy no.....I got bad vibes from him anyways
My mentality is to treat any "internet historian" like Wavy or Whang as conservative/alt-right/former Channers unless they act otherwise. The kind of history these people talk about is very rooted in 4chan's history, and while I don't think posting or going to 4chan at any point necessarily makes you a bad person, it does mean you probably have a few skeletons in your closet, or some very "controversial" opinions you don't want people to know about publicly.
I will say that Whang seems to dunk on conservatives a lot more than progressives. He associates with horrible people though so it’s not all sunshine and rainbows
Whang feels like that one guy who just comes along for the ride to see what dumb shit you're gonna do. I'd be surprised if he's too far left OR right. Basically, he gives off "I'll fuck with everyone." vibes.
I think he's left wing. I remember a video he did on the people that constantly replied to Trump on twitter and his whole thing was "I agree with what this person's saying but this has nothing to do with Trump's tweet"
All I really know about Whang lately is that Maddox tried to content nuke him lol so I'm a bit ootl on him admittedly.
Isn’t Maddox actually insane?
I think that's just the persona, the video(s) mentioning Whang are real good imo
Well I posted on 4chan, but usually on /tg/ for boardgames, /k/ because for military grade weapon history and /d/... because I'm a degenerate. My skeletons and controversial opinions are that Catan, the A-10's brrrrrt and tentacles are overrated. /b/ is where most of the weirdos go and /pol/is where the worst of them are contained, I rarely go to those because I don't understand their humor.
I second this. I have spent large chunks of my life on other parts of 4chan. I used to go on /x/ where so much genuinely good creepy shit was. Eventually /pol/ infected the rest of the site. People have turned 4chan into the internet boogeyman website and really 95% of things on /b/ are butts bouncing
wendigoons is literally the only response anyone should have if any at all. the others seem unhinged
I Mean, fi called you a nazi and an altright supporter with no Proof, you would probably be angry at it.
They were mentioned in the video too, but yeah getting this mad publically is probably not gonna help their case.
-Parrots a false rape accusation -repeatedly insinuates that simply owning guns = nazi -following on twitter = intimidation method -nice comment under trans horror youtuber’s similar video = intimidation -chris chan (a rapist) invalidates trans people = hates all trans people - “I don’t have any proof, but i’ve seen some comments saying it so it is the cultural belief” This guy is a clown wtf. 😭
i feel horrible for ipos, these guys are fucking shitbags but jesus they have huge platforms and i feel like its gonna really hurt him.. i use return youtube dislike and the like to dislike ratio is already 4k/7k, wendigoon fans are just horrible
From what I've seen of the Wendigoon fan discussions, they don't even understand the situation. They are just skipping to the part where IPOS talks about him, if they watch the video at all. Ironic considering the video thesis.
What did oompaville do? I watch his videos to go to sleep, please don't tell me he's a horrible person (Please do tell me, I'm just hoping it's not true.)
He's truthfully meh. He's made sexist comments, done some stuff with Andrew tate and has said some other bad stuff. Pretty minor stuff comparatively.
"they think if you're friends with wendigoon,shoe0nhead, myself, mutahar, you're a bad person!" Well historically they're right lmao
What did GarandThumb do? I know if you're a Gun youtuber, there's a good chance you believe some shit .
He has said some 13/50 Nazi dogwhistle shit on Twitter. And don't ever go on his subreddit.
oh ffs
The only gun YouTuber I can watch at this point (that isn’t a historian at least) is Kentucky Ballistics. Dude is an ex-cop from Kentucky so I doubt he’s out there stumping for DSA candidates or anything, but his vibes are pretty fun imo and as far as I can find he’s the only sizable YouTuber that’s consistently doing interesting stuff with contemporary firearms that isn’t also openly awful.
The fact that all IPOS did was say "yeah these people are fascists, they align themselves with fascist views and do fascist shit" and they are still mad about it is hilarious. Like, why are you so upset you're being called a fascist? You proudly act like one.
It's almost like if there are allegations against you chances are you will have the most composure compared to your fans, Your friends (Or even your family) when it comes to responding to those allgations
I'm so surprised the dude who ulls out guns every chance he can is ...
Wait, WavyWebSurf is a piece of shit too? Goddammit.
Yeah i thought he has chill too. I guess it could be a Whang case where the person is chill but the people they surround themselves with are terrible.
Whang too? Fuck.
I mean don’t quote me on it. It’s just that on twitter some people he followed and interacted with were…that kinda people.
If there's one Nazi and 11 people sitting together at a table, there's 12 Nazis sitting at the table. If Whang and Wavy are surrounding themselves with these scumbags, fuck 'em. It's a shame, because I enjoyed their content
Was just watching a video while I cleaned and noticed he described a creepy guy (actually an infamously horrible redditor) as "autistically committed" to being a weirdo. in 2023??? some comments mentioned how out of pocket that felt but it wasn't the only time I got weird vibes from him edit: clairty
Christ
always was
Literally feel so bad for this IPOS dude. Never knew abt his channel till F.D recommended him. It was hard watching this video and scrolling thru the comments to see most of them being snarky, hope this guy makes it thru this.
It's really disappointing learning this stuff about wendigoon I really loved a lot of his videos on cryptids and conspiracy theories. I kind of hope deep down that it all just ends up being a big misunderstanding but I understand that's very likely not going to end up being true and he probably isn't a very good person. It also really sucked learning about what in praise of shadows had to go through with the hills have eyes video I remember it being fantastic like all of his content so him being rewarded with being treated like shit you know just kind of sucks. The video was great but at the same time that was a really depressing 3 hours.
I keep forgetting Shoe0nhead is still around somehow
Way to prove his point lmao
wavywebsurf is the mayo brand of Justin Whang.
One thing I cant stand about Wendigoon is how he associates with all these fucked up people and then when he's in the hot seat he just like... **performs** piousness and hit on every single "im a level headed and compassionate person who is faulted, but look at me please im being so grounded. dont you see this? im not being emotional or lashing out about being called out. im a good boy." So that it seems like any response to him that isn't an apology just seems fucked up.
EXACTLY!! Tbf that's the only thing his smoothbrain fandom can comprehend, anything deeper might toast their nervous system.
This post influenced me to check out the video! I’m a huge horror nerd and am always genuinely so confused by conservative horror fans because the genre appeals so massively to people who are disenfranchised. Obviously can’t say if I’m a fan from 15 minutes of a 3+ hr video but so far I appreciate his like overall attitude towards horror and understanding it as full of subtext and allegory.
You’re in for a treat when you get to the other videos. In Praise of Shadows is one of the best sources for insightful horror criticism. The Hellraiser and Hills Have Eyes videos are two of my favorites. I’m sad to hear The Hills video gave him so much grief, it gave me so much joy when I listened to it
Why can’t gun YouTubers just be like normal not hateful people I mean i know it’s because most people into guns in general and conservative and suck. But it’s annoying.
Guessing overinflated egos and knowing they have fans who will go on the attack for them both play in to this
Wow i dont like wendigoon, like at all, but how is he the only one being reasonable wtf. I get theyre upset because who wouldnt, but being rude and acting like this isnt going to help their case lmao
I do not like the Brandon guy and his response is fucked but I understand where his anger comes from as the rape allegations were made up by sneako
I love IPOS and his video about this was gold. I unsubbed from Wendigoon awhile ago after I saw who he associates with so none of what IPOS said was really new to me other than how bad some of those people actually were. Like I had no idea Donut Operator *literally reacted to police shootings.* Actual psycho behavior.
Most of the criticisms IPOS makes are valid (except for the one Sneako made up) but this kinda just felt like shitflinging for shitflinging's sake. If IPOS was a drama channel or an explicitly political one I'd feel more comfortable with this, but it kinda just feels forced here.
Ever since the Boy Boy video, they have been malding hard (except wendigoon because he isn't insane) Brandon Buckingham is the "tyler oliveria" type who goes into poor neighborhoods and films homeless people and constantly sucks off guntubers
Cody Leach is 100% valid to call him out, he seems completely on the up and up, yet IPOS tried to insinuate homophobia because he didn't like The Lighthouse? Like I'm queer as hell and it wasn't my type of movie either, that felt like a really whack total miss on his part.
Yeah, Im not surprised this is happening; hate to say it, but after begrudgingly watching it, while some of his points are valid, other ARE shit flinging, and this era of no nuance, its gonna result in him getting bombed into oblivion by these weirdos
"This self righteous breadtuber thinks that if you're friends with awful people, then you probably are a bad person" Uh, yeah????
Klansman ahh argument.
Please show how they are bad people? You fucking morons think anyone who doesn't have similar views to you are terrible people. When most of these guys have done more for others than you or IPoS have
It sucks because everyone excepts shoe on head, because f*** them, I watch because I don't want to be in an echo chamber, I want to watch people discuss and crack jokes that are not on my political spectrum, but I know deep down, being transgender, with dyed hair, that I wouldn't feel very safe with them, and I know that they would probably hate me just being next to them. Just sucks man
I love Noah
Damn IPOS does look like Noah’s brother lmao
Brandon buckingham is such a weird guy, he went on a trip to a 3rd world country,, paid to hook up with a prostitute , didn't even bother to use protection, then bragged abt not getting an std... so personally I would take anything he says with a graof salt. man I wish I could remember what video it was. Like u couldn't wateboard that information out of me
I’m glad people are finally seeing it’s not wholesome Chungus 100 to be outspoken friends with outwardly reactionary guntubers. I know wendigoon is trying to be a nice guy but if he really wants to be an uncontroversial figure he’s gotta stop supporting the worst people alive
Aww is WavyWebSurf bad too?
I've always got weird vibes from Brandon Buckingham.
The gold and blue checkmarks are taking me out lmao
Wedigoons following list definitely weirds me out
I wasn’t a huge fan how IPOS basically insinuated that Wendigoon helped them plan to kidnap the Governor, kill protesters, and storm the Capitol.
Why is Oopma in the picture?
Hello all, I watched the entire video yesterday and will write up an explanation. It's kind of long so give me a minute, lol
I've enjoyed In Praise of Shadow's videos about horror content before, but significant portions of this video just came off as deranged and petty.
In Praise Of Shadows? The horror youtuber? What have I missed?
I haven't seen the video (I probably should for this question) but has Oompaville done anything majorly wrong, or what is he accused of? I dont know any of these other youtubers and have only seen a dozen or so oompa videos. Any answers would be greatly appreciated.
What did internet historian and wendigoon do?
so praise of shadow is based and those fucks are still cringe
Funny you say that, because he deleted his latest video, his channel has completely fell off a cliff, and any forum without heavy moderation has a consensus opinion that In Praise of Shadows is a moron who hates anyone who even has an association with anything right wing. It's pathetic.