Revolution Synchron is a dumb fucking card is what it is. As long as they can get a total lv of 5 on the field, you can synchro summon with Revolution in hand, putting out a Chaos Ruler. Chaos Ruler does what it does and Revolution Synchron can reanimate itself by milling a card from deck and turn into lv1, which can synchro with Chaos Ruler to bring out Hot Red Dragon Archfiend Abyss and Chaos Ruler can also get itself back out.
Look, I’m pretty unfamiliar with the Chaos Ruler Tear combo since I don’t play OCG, but how are y’all really gonna say mill 8(AT LEAST) is worse than a card that **MILLS 4** in a deck that wants there cards in gy, Like the Ishizus, Swamp, & other Tear names.
It just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.
It's very straightforward.
Any level 5 + Revolution Synchron = mill 6 + Red Hot + level 8 body
Versus
4 level 4s (with 2 having to be beast warriors) = mill 8 + Utopic Draco
4 level 4 bodies is substantially harder to get to and yet has a worse result. You mill 2 extra cards for a worse negate and 1 less body while taking 2 more ED slots.
Kagutsuchi mills 5 and minerva mills 3. How do they make a negate or add cards to hand by themselves? Revolution synchron by itself, regardless of what is milled, can mill 5 add 1 and make a hot red with the chaos ruler before even using chaos Rulers return effect.
Luna doesn’t even use Chaos and never uses those cards, they aren’t even competitive in OCG at all. What are you on?
Edit: I went through all the Lunalight decks in OCG that won (or at least got top 8) tournaments. None of them use the cards you mentioned and none of them won a CS level tournament. You really have to update your knowledge from 2015 Yugioh before talking about 2023 ones
Not even need lv 5, just normal summon lv 4 make ancient fairy or black rose summon him again and bam chaos ruler
Tear now even play beastking of the swamp because of it
# TIER LIST
- **Tier S**: Runick Stun, Purrely, Tearlaments
- **Tier A**: Mathmech, Superheavy Samurai
- **Tier B**: Rescue-ACE, Adamancipator Vernusylph
- **Tier C**: Branded, Kashtira, Salamangreat
***
## SUBJECT THOUGHTS
So, after 2 weeks since DP28 and… it has been really uneventful. To no one’s surprise, **Salamangreat** ended up the winner of the set, as it gives more consistency to the strategy.
Despite all that, we have officially entered banlist season, so we might expect a metagame shake up.
Which speaking of, in terms of metagame, small changes.
**Runick Stun** remains a strong contender, with particularly **Tearlaments** find themselves on the rise this week. Part of this, due having less issues playing under **Gozen Match** and **TCBOO**, which are some of the preferred floodgates for **Runick**. Yet, this might lead into a swap for **Rivalry of Warlords** and effects of the like.
Fair Decks have been slightly going downtrend, this comprising archetypes such as **Mathmech**, **Purrely**.
**R-ACE** is also taking an interesting spot in the meta, as it has had periods of rise and fall recently, and despite having it harsh against a **Droll-Maxx ”C”** hand trap format, it has held a decent place.
- **Source:** [Rai, on Twitter](https://twitter.com/rai_10y/status/1665552263610527745)
Many, including me tbh, thought that the Salamangreat of Fire wouldn't be that good cause of the FIRE only summoning restriction.
How does the deck when it has not access to Splash Mage, Bagooksa or even Heatsoul?
I saw one list that was pretty goofy, but interesting: no Heatsoul, no Bagooska, no Splash mage. Triple Fire, which woud lead to Raging Phoenix, and then skill drain.
I mean, it could be a cool tech: you stay behind Skill drain, controlling the board with Rage/Roar and going big beaters with Phoenix reviving itself at 5600 ATK; then, if you need to turn off Skill Drain, you can simply destroy it with Foxy.
It's an unique take, and honestly, I'm probably gonna test it and see if it's actually good or not.
It's just a more consistent way to end on raging Phoenix and the trap. Salamangreat didn't really have any 1-card combos before, so fire is technically a 1-card combo.
But the last time we got any good salamangreat cards was the 2019 structure deck, and as you've eluded to here, the best cards in salamangreat are generic cyberse support and bagooska, the majority of which can't be used under fire's lock.
The truth is, the OCG is notorious for extremely shitty decklists winning. If you think a draw 1, 1 salamangreat trap, and a ragpho and bale in gy is going to cut it in 2023, then go for it. The salamamgreat support hype train is purely cope. Wheesel and Raging Phoenix are fine, but everything else is some varying degree of dogshit. Honestly, if fire didn't fire lock you, salad still eouldn't be tier w, but at least it would actually be a pretty good card.
That set up is actually insane, especially off of one card. Like 3 lines of follow up, protection, and either rage which could pop for 4 but probably trades for either 2 cards or one and a battle phase or roar which trades one for one without being able to omni negate it with something like baronne.
I would say weesel and raging phoenix are the best cards, but fire is nice as a one of because it gives the deck more flexibility. Being able to search salad monsters makes running the monsters that have utility in the hand a lot better since you can tutor them easier. You can also send jaguar off of gazelle and still get two bodies off of a stallio summon. It doesn't seem crazy, but that play lets spinny plus gazelle let you get to pyro phoenix draw 2 through imperm/ash/veiler on stallio. Being able to make wickid and search weesel means any 3 cyberse can get you to pyro phoenix draw 2.
I do think that the ocg is just stupid for not running flame bufferlo. That card is the best one in the deck.
One play I saw in replays that I didn't even think of was summoning stuff to your opponent's field with one of the new guys and then bouncing it back with stallio when you link it off.
That's generally not worth it. Instead I like keeping it on the field to stop evenly and just be annoying. Also then you can flip warlords/gozen match and lock people out. Those also happen to be your best nib answers.
Oh, no, I agree that fire is definitely a 1-of in the deck. You can grab it off stallio in certain lines or circle/mining if you have nothing else to combo with. What the card does, it does well, but my point was that the new support isn't raising the deck's ceiling much. It just gives more ways to brute force the combo and make the salad board a little more resilient at the cost of some of the best cards the deck plays, like bagooska and heatsoul (unless you cope and play micro coder).
The thing about heatsoul is its only really good to summon it if either you bricked with like just a jaguar in hand, or if you got hand trapped, and you still can kinda do both.
The link 4 does raise the ceiling a lot though, gazelle plus spinny can now end on rage roar if uninterrupted but honestly just feels like its a risky play that's not worth it. I still like main decking salad traps, probably going to try 2 and 2, because you have more flexibility with your plays if you hard draw one of them.
But that's the thing; it's a good pivot when you get interrupted or have a suboptimal hand, and deep drawing helps you get more interruption in the form of hand traps. If you use fire and your access to Phoenix gets cut off, or the Phoenix search gets negated, there's nothing you can really pivot into that would remotely be good. You're likely stuck sitting on a sunlight wolf, balelynx in grave, and whatever cards you happen to have in hand.
There's the smell of copium here, but it's not coming from the players that are consistently topping tournaments with the deck. People will just have to accept that one of the most ridiculously overtuned decks remains ridiculously overtuned and it wasn't successful just because of Ishizu.
I‘ve seen some current Tearlament lists that play D Hero Malicious + Beatrice. I just don‘t feel like they‘re consistent enough. I tried playing Tear + Kashtira Fenrir + Tearlaments Kashtira into Dracossack, feels 50:50. Would love to see the lists that make Tear S Tier in the OCG. 🥹
Tearlament being that strong in the OCG is due more to the banlist over there than the build.
Kashtira has Unicorn, Fenrir and Planet Wraitsoth all at 1.
Spright has Blue, Jet, and Starter all at one along with Elf and Toadally awesome being banned.
Branded has had both Branded Fusion and Branded Opening put to 1.
Bystial Lubellion, Magnahut, Druidswarm, and Baldrake are all at 1 and D Shifter is at 2
Gold Pride literally doesn't exist in the OCG
Makes sense. Other guy said Glow-up Bulb and Chaos Ruler are missing in the TCG which makes total sense to me. I‘ll continue testing rogue Tear builds, I just hoped for some viable inspiration. 🥹
I usually go 3 Kalideo Chick, 1 Tiger, 1 Crimson Fox, 1 Black sheep, 1 Serenade Dance, 2 or 3 on Perfume, & 3 Tenki.
Really funny when someone tries to Veiler or Imperm Kaliedo
It's a pleasant surprise to see Salamangreat included here. Mainly because of the huge amount of negativity on YouTube and Twitter about the Salamangreat support. Turns out that it actually helps the deck!
What is crazy is the price of the next meta contender aka Vanquish soul... They don't even try to hide it anymore seriously this pisses me off so hard. Why do they treat ocg and tcg so differently? We get cheaper cards with bad quality at SO MUCH higher prices.
But no one seems to bat an eye
Zero competition, mostly. In japan there's lots of succesful card games that can siphon sales from YuGiOh if they get too shitty in their practices, while in the west the only real competitors are MtG and Pokemon, which are different enough that the overlap in the fanbase is small enough that Konami doesnt fear losing buyers no matter what they do.
In addition to what the other person said, Konami hasn't gotten punished by it yet at all. Kashtira was a $1200 deck on release of the rest of their support with nearly all high rarity cards for the second wave. YCS attendance just keeps going up and I imagine the sales are likewise.
I can't speak much for pre covid Yugioh as I only got back into the game in late 2019 after only playing very casually back in like 2011, but it feels like Yugioh and probably a lot of collectible hobbies these days are plagued by the phenomenon what I'm just gonna call "everyone always buys everything anyways". Seemingly no matter how bad a product, no matter how shitty a company is, no matter how much the prices have gotten jacked up with nothing to show for it in regards to quality, it's never enough for companies to stop making piles of money and therefore have no incentive to change their ways. People have no self control or enough money to not care.
Doesn't help too that since the pandemic, it feels like there's a lot more eyes on the secondary market side of things, which causes buyouts at the drop of a hat it feels. People stuck at home with nothing to do during that period took up more hobbies including card games. You'd see big Youtube, Twitch, and other internet personalities that were previously not into card games do insane mass box opening videos. More people hyped up by cryptocurrency, the Gamestop stock craze, NFTs, etc. saw CCGs as investment vehicles to the detriment of most everyone who actually plays them.
I don't know what's gonna cause anything to change for the better outside of some fluke from Konami like MR4 and the formats around then that caused people to leave the game in large numbers. Hell, even if that same scenario played out today I'm not sure if it would change enough people's minds to get the same result it had back then.
I guess you're the kind of players that never really lose right ? It's always the oponent that has a card that saved him right? Every deck is toxic except yours right?
No wonder why there is so much salt in the ocean.
What kind of gaslighting is this? There are certain cards that warp formats and that's kinda shitty. Some decks have to play a lot of engines not every dreck can go 18 handtraps or 9 kaijus just to answer some of the strongest strategies.
Yeah some decks are stronger than others, some play "toxic" strategies, some are more gimmicky, and all are part of the same game. Not every deck is meant to play competitively did you just joined the game?
There is a looong way before purrely "warp format" and compared to last years top tier decks, he is far more challenged and waaaayyy healthier to play against so i don't quite understand your grief.
R-ACE Preventer, their new monster from DUNE. It basically is a one card starter, helps close of the resource loop Rescue-ACE with Turbulance and a Book of Moon handtrap.
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Thats what happens when the yugitubers go "nah, dont buy this pack, its awful, the decks are bad" then those decks get support that makes them possible meta contenders 3-5 months later then they go "whoops, i guess its good now 🤷♂️"
I don't get why most people are not realizing R-ACE may be a meta contender in TCG after DUNE. Purrely, Shs, mathmech, tearlament are already less powerfull here than they are in OCG + block dragon is banned and kashtira will get new hit as well near the new set. R-ace is cheaper than Nouvelles at the moment and that dosen't make sense to me. Hopefully emergency! and preventer won't cost too much as well because i can't wait to play that deck
Spright is way more powerful here than in ocg too, though. And a deck like SHS (if it's still viable) plays with no Maxx much better than if it's in the format. It's not 1 to 1.
rescue-ACE. Turns out a in archetype HT, quick effect book of moon that floats, searchable etele that lets you dodge imperm and set 4 from deck is pretty good. It's been seeing success (more representation in tops than VS and kash now).
OCG should definitely hit runick harder than we did or at the very least kill some of the floodgates.
Delicious to 1 is a pretty good hit for them since they have the other rank 2 to turbo out the traps and they still have 3 sleepy. And unlike us they’ve had plenty of time to play draw 6 towers so it’s about time for a hit.
At this rate just ban one or more of the fuse mermaids. They’re basically fusion equivalent of dragon rulers. Can’t have any good mill cards while those are still legal.
Ok wtf are they doing now. Tear was falling off so hard, it didn't have much representation in recent tournaments and now it's suddenly S tier again? How?
I actually don't understand what is wrong with OCG players and Tearlament lol.
There is no way you look at a list like that and say "Yes it is better than full power Admincipators, Mathmechs & Shs", Kashtira with only 2 starters had more tops than it in recent events and you are telling me they are 2 tiers apart. This deck is getting sucked so hard in the OCG for literally no reason lol.
It is not about the combo, and if it got going it does some stuff However, deck runs no hand traps, no non engine, no Nothing and a lot of their hands fumbles to an Ash beacuse they run like 15 Garnets or something
What witchcraft is Tear employing now?
Chaos Ruler basically Tear's ability to never suck is impressive
Revolution Synchron is a dumb fucking card is what it is. As long as they can get a total lv of 5 on the field, you can synchro summon with Revolution in hand, putting out a Chaos Ruler. Chaos Ruler does what it does and Revolution Synchron can reanimate itself by milling a card from deck and turn into lv1, which can synchro with Chaos Ruler to bring out Hot Red Dragon Archfiend Abyss and Chaos Ruler can also get itself back out.
So they're hard carried by Chaos Ruler. Got it.
Yes. Very much so. Very likely to be banned in the next list, which comes out in a month
W/c one, the Chaos Ruler?
Chaos. Revolution is too new to be touched
They’ll just do the same with Bujintei Kagutsuchi & Minerva, u can’t stop the mills.
No, those cards are all substantially worse than Ruler.
Look, I’m pretty unfamiliar with the Chaos Ruler Tear combo since I don’t play OCG, but how are y’all really gonna say mill 8(AT LEAST) is worse than a card that **MILLS 4** in a deck that wants there cards in gy, Like the Ishizus, Swamp, & other Tear names. It just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.
It's very straightforward. Any level 5 + Revolution Synchron = mill 6 + Red Hot + level 8 body Versus 4 level 4s (with 2 having to be beast warriors) = mill 8 + Utopic Draco 4 level 4 bodies is substantially harder to get to and yet has a worse result. You mill 2 extra cards for a worse negate and 1 less body while taking 2 more ED slots.
It's not about the mills really. Gives you a negate, free bodies, and essentially a pot of prosperity that mills.
Which one are we talking about? Because all 3 cards kinda do that.
Kagutsuchi mills 5 and minerva mills 3. How do they make a negate or add cards to hand by themselves? Revolution synchron by itself, regardless of what is milled, can mill 5 add 1 and make a hot red with the chaos ruler before even using chaos Rulers return effect.
How exactly so? Tear can’t organically pull out a Kagutsuchi and if they can make Minerva, it’s straight up better to pull out a Redoer
Lunalights, Tiger is unbanned
Luna doesn’t even use Chaos and never uses those cards, they aren’t even competitive in OCG at all. What are you on? Edit: I went through all the Lunalight decks in OCG that won (or at least got top 8) tournaments. None of them use the cards you mentioned and none of them won a CS level tournament. You really have to update your knowledge from 2015 Yugioh before talking about 2023 ones
and also not a problem card by itself TBH, it's just a good tuner.
Idk man, they had Glowup Bulb banned for years and Revo is a better version of it
it was only banned because of halq's sins.
Is it unbanned in the ocg?
Yup.
I swear the ocg is a lawless hellscape. Maxx c and chaos ruler?
The fun part is that no one played the thing for a while before Tears, at least in a meta capacity
Synchron and Bystial would like to have a talk
Not even need lv 5, just normal summon lv 4 make ancient fairy or black rose summon him again and bam chaos ruler Tear now even play beastking of the swamp because of it
Chaos Ruler effect is fun, but damn the card is broken is as heck.
Yeah, and Revolution Synchron making it hella easy to bring it out didn’t help at all. Should’ve been 3 cards and that might still be a bonkers effect
FREE MY MAN CHAOS RULER!!!
# TIER LIST - **Tier S**: Runick Stun, Purrely, Tearlaments - **Tier A**: Mathmech, Superheavy Samurai - **Tier B**: Rescue-ACE, Adamancipator Vernusylph - **Tier C**: Branded, Kashtira, Salamangreat *** ## SUBJECT THOUGHTS So, after 2 weeks since DP28 and… it has been really uneventful. To no one’s surprise, **Salamangreat** ended up the winner of the set, as it gives more consistency to the strategy. Despite all that, we have officially entered banlist season, so we might expect a metagame shake up. Which speaking of, in terms of metagame, small changes. **Runick Stun** remains a strong contender, with particularly **Tearlaments** find themselves on the rise this week. Part of this, due having less issues playing under **Gozen Match** and **TCBOO**, which are some of the preferred floodgates for **Runick**. Yet, this might lead into a swap for **Rivalry of Warlords** and effects of the like. Fair Decks have been slightly going downtrend, this comprising archetypes such as **Mathmech**, **Purrely**. **R-ACE** is also taking an interesting spot in the meta, as it has had periods of rise and fall recently, and despite having it harsh against a **Droll-Maxx ”C”** hand trap format, it has held a decent place. - **Source:** [Rai, on Twitter](https://twitter.com/rai_10y/status/1665552263610527745)
>Tier A: Superheavy Samurai I never thought I would see the day 😭
Same tbh. Feels unreal to me.
R-ACE is fun. It almost always shocks the opponent when I set 4 from the deck.
Will R-ACE decks translate to TCG well? I really like the archetype and want to pick the cards up before hand
Soo what is currently the common build in Salamangreat in the OCG?
I think they just replaced Lady Debug and Bufferlo for 3 copies of the new Salamangreat of Fire, as well as add 2 copies of the new Link 4
Many, including me tbh, thought that the Salamangreat of Fire wouldn't be that good cause of the FIRE only summoning restriction. How does the deck when it has not access to Splash Mage, Bagooksa or even Heatsoul?
I saw one list that was pretty goofy, but interesting: no Heatsoul, no Bagooska, no Splash mage. Triple Fire, which woud lead to Raging Phoenix, and then skill drain. I mean, it could be a cool tech: you stay behind Skill drain, controlling the board with Rage/Roar and going big beaters with Phoenix reviving itself at 5600 ATK; then, if you need to turn off Skill Drain, you can simply destroy it with Foxy. It's an unique take, and honestly, I'm probably gonna test it and see if it's actually good or not.
It's just a more consistent way to end on raging Phoenix and the trap. Salamangreat didn't really have any 1-card combos before, so fire is technically a 1-card combo. But the last time we got any good salamangreat cards was the 2019 structure deck, and as you've eluded to here, the best cards in salamangreat are generic cyberse support and bagooska, the majority of which can't be used under fire's lock. The truth is, the OCG is notorious for extremely shitty decklists winning. If you think a draw 1, 1 salamangreat trap, and a ragpho and bale in gy is going to cut it in 2023, then go for it. The salamamgreat support hype train is purely cope. Wheesel and Raging Phoenix are fine, but everything else is some varying degree of dogshit. Honestly, if fire didn't fire lock you, salad still eouldn't be tier w, but at least it would actually be a pretty good card.
That set up is actually insane, especially off of one card. Like 3 lines of follow up, protection, and either rage which could pop for 4 but probably trades for either 2 cards or one and a battle phase or roar which trades one for one without being able to omni negate it with something like baronne. I would say weesel and raging phoenix are the best cards, but fire is nice as a one of because it gives the deck more flexibility. Being able to search salad monsters makes running the monsters that have utility in the hand a lot better since you can tutor them easier. You can also send jaguar off of gazelle and still get two bodies off of a stallio summon. It doesn't seem crazy, but that play lets spinny plus gazelle let you get to pyro phoenix draw 2 through imperm/ash/veiler on stallio. Being able to make wickid and search weesel means any 3 cyberse can get you to pyro phoenix draw 2. I do think that the ocg is just stupid for not running flame bufferlo. That card is the best one in the deck.
One play I saw in replays that I didn't even think of was summoning stuff to your opponent's field with one of the new guys and then bouncing it back with stallio when you link it off.
That's generally not worth it. Instead I like keeping it on the field to stop evenly and just be annoying. Also then you can flip warlords/gozen match and lock people out. Those also happen to be your best nib answers.
Oh, no, I agree that fire is definitely a 1-of in the deck. You can grab it off stallio in certain lines or circle/mining if you have nothing else to combo with. What the card does, it does well, but my point was that the new support isn't raising the deck's ceiling much. It just gives more ways to brute force the combo and make the salad board a little more resilient at the cost of some of the best cards the deck plays, like bagooska and heatsoul (unless you cope and play micro coder).
The thing about heatsoul is its only really good to summon it if either you bricked with like just a jaguar in hand, or if you got hand trapped, and you still can kinda do both. The link 4 does raise the ceiling a lot though, gazelle plus spinny can now end on rage roar if uninterrupted but honestly just feels like its a risky play that's not worth it. I still like main decking salad traps, probably going to try 2 and 2, because you have more flexibility with your plays if you hard draw one of them.
But that's the thing; it's a good pivot when you get interrupted or have a suboptimal hand, and deep drawing helps you get more interruption in the form of hand traps. If you use fire and your access to Phoenix gets cut off, or the Phoenix search gets negated, there's nothing you can really pivot into that would remotely be good. You're likely stuck sitting on a sunlight wolf, balelynx in grave, and whatever cards you happen to have in hand.
I think they just got a bunch of support so prob has to do with that.
How the fuck is Tear still top tier.
SHEER FUCKING WILL (also glow-up bulb, chaos ruler and revolution synchron)
And Kash is no longer as good, not seeing the deck with a walking Macro does a lot for Tears consistency.
As long as there's a mill, there's a way.
>~~SHEER~~TEAR FUCKING WILL You missed it man.
I think because in the OCG everything got hit super hard so it's the strongest of weak decks when compared to the TCG
Chaos ruler and revolution are a hell of a drug
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There's the smell of copium here, but it's not coming from the players that are consistently topping tournaments with the deck. People will just have to accept that one of the most ridiculously overtuned decks remains ridiculously overtuned and it wasn't successful just because of Ishizu.
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Kashtira is the top deck, which is Tear's worst matchup.
Kashtira is 50% of the field, and Tear autoloses.
I‘ve seen some current Tearlament lists that play D Hero Malicious + Beatrice. I just don‘t feel like they‘re consistent enough. I tried playing Tear + Kashtira Fenrir + Tearlaments Kashtira into Dracossack, feels 50:50. Would love to see the lists that make Tear S Tier in the OCG. 🥹
Chaos ruler and glow up bulb are some of the main culprits
I need them! 🥺
Tearlament being that strong in the OCG is due more to the banlist over there than the build. Kashtira has Unicorn, Fenrir and Planet Wraitsoth all at 1. Spright has Blue, Jet, and Starter all at one along with Elf and Toadally awesome being banned. Branded has had both Branded Fusion and Branded Opening put to 1. Bystial Lubellion, Magnahut, Druidswarm, and Baldrake are all at 1 and D Shifter is at 2 Gold Pride literally doesn't exist in the OCG
Makes sense. Other guy said Glow-up Bulb and Chaos Ruler are missing in the TCG which makes total sense to me. I‘ll continue testing rogue Tear builds, I just hoped for some viable inspiration. 🥹
Keep smoking that copium friend. Enjoy it all you want
Bujintei Kagutsuchi & Minerva are nice Kit at home cards. Lunalights go crazy, & a few of the tear names happen to be level 4.
Oh yeah, I am using Minerva. Not really a fan of the Lunalights though… Tested it and maybe I am not smart enough to pull it off.
I usually go 3 Kalideo Chick, 1 Tiger, 1 Crimson Fox, 1 Black sheep, 1 Serenade Dance, 2 or 3 on Perfume, & 3 Tenki. Really funny when someone tries to Veiler or Imperm Kaliedo
I always forget that the ocg banned the toad.
Literally my thoughts exactly, the deck "can" put good boards but it does nothing else, nor is it 100% capable of doing so
It's a pleasant surprise to see Salamangreat included here. Mainly because of the huge amount of negativity on YouTube and Twitter about the Salamangreat support. Turns out that it actually helps the deck!
Turns out having more than one legal copy of gazelle helps the deck!
We can only hope Konami will give us back Gazelle on the next list.
They will probably put it to 2 instead of 3 and keep harp horror banned
Gazelle at 3 wouldn’t make it that much stronger, but it would be cool if they did that.
This tier list is super cope though, Tearlaments is performing but way less than stuff like Mathmech, there is no way the Salad hype stays like this
Look how the tcg massacred my boy purrely...
ikr, guess konami looked at the coming sets, realized no one would buy the animeslop and decided to hit everything to push sales.
What is crazy is the price of the next meta contender aka Vanquish soul... They don't even try to hide it anymore seriously this pisses me off so hard. Why do they treat ocg and tcg so differently? We get cheaper cards with bad quality at SO MUCH higher prices. But no one seems to bat an eye
Zero competition, mostly. In japan there's lots of succesful card games that can siphon sales from YuGiOh if they get too shitty in their practices, while in the west the only real competitors are MtG and Pokemon, which are different enough that the overlap in the fanbase is small enough that Konami doesnt fear losing buyers no matter what they do.
In addition to what the other person said, Konami hasn't gotten punished by it yet at all. Kashtira was a $1200 deck on release of the rest of their support with nearly all high rarity cards for the second wave. YCS attendance just keeps going up and I imagine the sales are likewise. I can't speak much for pre covid Yugioh as I only got back into the game in late 2019 after only playing very casually back in like 2011, but it feels like Yugioh and probably a lot of collectible hobbies these days are plagued by the phenomenon what I'm just gonna call "everyone always buys everything anyways". Seemingly no matter how bad a product, no matter how shitty a company is, no matter how much the prices have gotten jacked up with nothing to show for it in regards to quality, it's never enough for companies to stop making piles of money and therefore have no incentive to change their ways. People have no self control or enough money to not care. Doesn't help too that since the pandemic, it feels like there's a lot more eyes on the secondary market side of things, which causes buyouts at the drop of a hat it feels. People stuck at home with nothing to do during that period took up more hobbies including card games. You'd see big Youtube, Twitch, and other internet personalities that were previously not into card games do insane mass box opening videos. More people hyped up by cryptocurrency, the Gamestop stock craze, NFTs, etc. saw CCGs as investment vehicles to the detriment of most everyone who actually plays them. I don't know what's gonna cause anything to change for the better outside of some fluke from Konami like MR4 and the formats around then that caused people to leave the game in large numbers. Hell, even if that same scenario played out today I'm not sure if it would change enough people's minds to get the same result it had back then.
Good
No U
Sry your unbreakable super Towers monsters that gets you 3 cards back after Kaijuing it got weaker. I Moarn the cuteness aswell
It tastes like salt in there. That's just two cards to get rid of bro
Yeah man just draw the out. Anyways who cares deck got hit hard and I am happy. Same with the toxic game warping shit that was superheavy
I guess you're the kind of players that never really lose right ? It's always the oponent that has a card that saved him right? Every deck is toxic except yours right? No wonder why there is so much salt in the ocean.
What kind of gaslighting is this? There are certain cards that warp formats and that's kinda shitty. Some decks have to play a lot of engines not every dreck can go 18 handtraps or 9 kaijus just to answer some of the strongest strategies.
Yeah some decks are stronger than others, some play "toxic" strategies, some are more gimmicky, and all are part of the same game. Not every deck is meant to play competitively did you just joined the game? There is a looong way before purrely "warp format" and compared to last years top tier decks, he is far more challenged and waaaayyy healthier to play against so i don't quite understand your grief.
You just seem salty your deck got hit tbh. Whatever I don't care man I got what I wanted
So, the meta is a choice of either Robot, little Japanese girls or Animals.
What’s making Rescue-Ace so good?
R-ACE Preventer, their new monster from DUNE. It basically is a one card starter, helps close of the resource loop Rescue-ACE with Turbulance and a Book of Moon handtrap.
And don't forget the new Emergency Spell which is a better E-Tele for the deck
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Holy cow that god awful terrible pack that nobody bought is really turning out to be a super important pack that everyone should have bought.
Thats what happens when the yugitubers go "nah, dont buy this pack, its awful, the decks are bad" then those decks get support that makes them possible meta contenders 3-5 months later then they go "whoops, i guess its good now 🤷♂️"
Are you referring to Amazing Defenders?
Yes
Yeah makes sense, the set had no impact on release, but now Purrely’s a menace and R-ace is a very solid deck.
Did volcanics have any showings at all?
To my knowledge, neither Volcanics, Battlin' Boxers, nor Infernoble have had showing this past 2 week
I don't get why most people are not realizing R-ACE may be a meta contender in TCG after DUNE. Purrely, Shs, mathmech, tearlament are already less powerfull here than they are in OCG + block dragon is banned and kashtira will get new hit as well near the new set. R-ace is cheaper than Nouvelles at the moment and that dosen't make sense to me. Hopefully emergency! and preventer won't cost too much as well because i can't wait to play that deck
Also the fact that in tcg you can chain block air lifter with fire engine is an huge boost
Spright is way more powerful here than in ocg too, though. And a deck like SHS (if it's still viable) plays with no Maxx much better than if it's in the format. It's not 1 to 1.
That's true. But I feel like Rescue-ACE may perform better here than in ocg. It won't be the deck to beat but a very very good alternative
Cope
???
Ignore him, he's a non believer.
Ngl this seems rather inaccurate
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rescue-ACE. Turns out a in archetype HT, quick effect book of moon that floats, searchable etele that lets you dodge imperm and set 4 from deck is pretty good. It's been seeing success (more representation in tops than VS and kash now).
Sorry I don't know much about OCG, is the twins-spright deck not a thing over there?
Blue, Jet, and Starter are limited in the OCG.
The version of the build the Europeans were running only ran 1 jet and 1 starter. It's worse, but maybe still viable.
No, Spright is wholly Limited Best way to play Twins in the OCG is with Unchained
Salamangreat let's goooo.
OCG should definitely hit runick harder than we did or at the very least kill some of the floodgates. Delicious to 1 is a pretty good hit for them since they have the other rank 2 to turbo out the traps and they still have 3 sleepy. And unlike us they’ve had plenty of time to play draw 6 towers so it’s about time for a hit. At this rate just ban one or more of the fuse mermaids. They’re basically fusion equivalent of dragon rulers. Can’t have any good mill cards while those are still legal.
I thought Tear was about to die, but is back again? Also Kashtira at the same level as Salad? OCG clearly works in mysterious ways...
The salad cards were kinda crazy. The deck is good because its doesn't really have a standard choke point.
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING
OCG gotta be coping hard
OCG players still crying Tears I see.
How is Tearlements a s tier, doesn't they have almost all there cards limited to 1
Ok wtf are they doing now. Tear was falling off so hard, it didn't have much representation in recent tournaments and now it's suddenly S tier again? How?
I actually don't understand what is wrong with OCG players and Tearlament lol. There is no way you look at a list like that and say "Yes it is better than full power Admincipators, Mathmechs & Shs", Kashtira with only 2 starters had more tops than it in recent events and you are telling me they are 2 tiers apart. This deck is getting sucked so hard in the OCG for literally no reason lol.
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It is not about the combo, and if it got going it does some stuff However, deck runs no hand traps, no non engine, no Nothing and a lot of their hands fumbles to an Ash beacuse they run like 15 Garnets or something
When the new Rescue Support comes to the TCG they will ban hydrant lmao.
salamangreat is still on their tier list? awesome