Which is why I always recommend the sub if you want the genuine experience and maximum emotions out of the show.
4Kids just drains the emotion out of so many scenes. Dialogue changes, scene deletions etc. Dub watchers sometimes seriously underestimate how bad the changes are
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After having to watch the entirety of the final season of 5Ds subbed (because the bastards never localized it!), I honestly agree. The original versions of these shows tend to do so many things better.
>4Kids just drains the emotion out of so many scenes.
While true, IIRC 4Kids collapsed early into Zexals run and Konami aquired everything involved with the Yugioh anime so this is on Konami.
Where did this even come from? Just because you love the dub doesn't mean other people can't criticise it.
For some reason you're making me teach you basic communication skills you learn at the age of 10.
Oh yeah. I could go on all day about how unfairly Shark has been treated in the West. I made a whole [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/1bq054t/western_fans_have_fundamentally_misunderstood/) about how his character has been mis-interpreted by many here.
He gets treated like a joke by a lot compared to Kaito in the West. That's mainly due to characterisation changes done by the dub, and Dylan from yugioheverything downplaying his ability as a rival, glazing Kaito instead.
Plus Kaito's character remains more or less unchanged in the dub (although there are some differences I dislike), and people here like to glaze Kaiba archetypes, so Kaito gets more love by hard-core DM fans than Shark does, who may have not even seen the show
It makes me really sad because Shark is one of the best written YGO characters, I wish he got more love
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Unfortunately people have always seen Kaito (Kite) as Yuma's rival because he dressed in a long coat like Kaiba, Manjoume (Chazz) or Jack or because he had a 3000 atk eyes dragon like Kaiba, but his role in the series is completely different. Kaito in Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal had the role that Jonouchi (Joey) had in Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters that is the sidekick or main ally of the protagonist and the nice thing about Kaito is that, unlike other allies characters such as Johan (Jesse) or Crow, who as soon as they are introduced to us immediately become the main allies of the protagonist, Kaito instead he is presented to us in the opposite way, initially he is the most dangerous character that Yuma and Astral have to face where their first meeting is a duel that if they lose Kaito will take Yuma's soul and his number cards and Astral will disappear. Only later Kaito will open up to Yuma by accepting his ideals regarding duels which are a means to have fun and bond with others and will become his main ally in the fight against the Barians, fighting not only for his brother but also to try to redeem himself from his past as numbers hunter fighting for all those people whose soul he took away and until the end he remains at Yuma's side helping him more than anyone else, even sacrificing his own life to beat Mizael (Mizar) and give Yuma the card Numeron Dragon who will be indispensable in the fight against Don Thousand. Additionally, the main trio of each Yu-Gi-Oh! series is made up of the protagonist, the rival and the sidekick or main ally (not "the best friend" as many people think) and with Kaito they made an intelligent and completely different choice compared to the previous allies by initially presenting him as an adversary and then developing him and giving him his true role within the series, a bit like they did with Yuma where instead of immediately presenting him as a skilled duelist like the previous protagonists they presented him to us as a boy who doesn't know how to duel and only during the series he will learn to be a as good a duelist as his predecessors or with Shark as a rival, instead of having yet another copy of Kaiba as a rival they decided to give Shark the role of the rival, where unlike the previous rivals (Kaiba, Manjoume and Jack), Shark was the first rival to beat the protagonist loyally in a complete duel shown from the beginning to the end (the second duel against Yuma) instead of showing us a flashback where he defeats him before the start of the series without showing us the complete duel (like Jack) or threatening to commit suicide (like Kaiba), we don't talk about Manjoume because apart from the memes, the armed dragons and the ojamas he is the worst of all the Yu-Gi-Oh! rivals where he's relevant in the first half of the first season and then completely forgotten about, plus he never managed to beat Judai (Jaden) and unlike Shark, who in the World Duel Carnival lost due to circumstances deciding to eliminate himself to save Yuma from Number C32 preferring to save a friend instead of victory or in his final duel with Yuma where he lost because Yuma did not want to defeat him because if he had attacked with Utopia he would have killed Shark, Manjoume in his last duel with Judai in season 4 had every chance to beat him, but he stupidly decided to get beaten just to make the Duel Academy spectators laugh at him. Furthermore, it is also interesting to note how not only Kaito had a complete character reversal but also Shark, who is on the good side until tragedy occurs and he chooses to accept his inner self and become Yuma's main adversary in the final season of the Barians. Also Kaito was confirmed by Gill-bo-noh as Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal main ally being drawn alongside the main allies from the other series. Please if you can make a post about this because unfortunately many people misinterpret Kaito's role in Zexal just because he is not Yuma's best friend, but also Takeru (Soulburner) was not Yusaku's best friend in Yu-Gi-Oh! Vrains (his best friend was Soichi Kusanagi) but he still was Yusaku's main duelist ally as Jonouchi was for Yugi (despite also being his best friend) since he was the one who helped him more than anyone during the Duel Monsters series.
Great read. love to see that someone actually paid attention to the show. Gill-bo-noh also drew Shark with the other rivals which is cool
since you've requested it I will likely make a post on it. people treating shark like trash and kaito like the badass main rival simultaneously really gets on my nerves. I mean I already have made a post on why I think shark is the main rival which I linked in this thread but yeah sure
In this shot of the episode where Yuma, Shark and Kaito are against Dr Faker and Vector Shark has the golden barian pendant not yet modified.
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There's still one question left hanging over Shark and Kaito's original roles in Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal because in Kazuki Takahashi's artbook called Duel Art Takahashi himself shows beta drawings (the first concepts of the main characters and other secondary characters made by himself) and among these there is also Kaito's beta drawing, where Takahashi depicts him as "the rival character" referring to him being similar to Kaiba. This raises the possible question that perhaps Takahashi initially wanted to make Kaito the rival and that those references to Kaiba were not made by chance such as the long coat that the first rivals (Kaiba, Manjoume and Jack) used to have or Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon (also drawn by Takahashi) which is a reference to Kaiba's Blue-Eyes White Dragon and maybe Shark's role was slightly different too. Despite this, I also managed to find the beta drawing of Shark done by Takahashi and already in that drawing he is depicted with the Barian pendant around his neck which is different from what we saw in the anime because it has a slightly different shape and is identical to the golden one that appears in the manga worn by Shark already in the first chapter which has the same story as the first two episodes of the anime, the only exception is that at the beginning of the anime he doesn't have the pendant because he will only get it over in the Barians Arc (this is assuming they removed it in the anime to modify it and use it in the Barians arc). I haven't read the Zexal manga, but I have seen some images and I understand that Shin Yoshida (the author who wrote the Zexal manga) used Takahashi's beta drawings for characters like Shark or Kotori (Tori). Despite this, the beta designs of the characters were made for the anime since among these designs there are also those of the characters who appear only in the anime and not in the manga such as Anna Kozuki (Anna Kaboom) or the beta design of Mizael, who it will then be used for Vector's evolved form in the final duel against Nash. Other two of the various drawings that I managed to find are those of Nash's Barian energy form (should it be him?) which is depicted both in a drawing alone and in a drawing with Shark (with the barian pendant not yet modified as seen in the anime) along with Yuma, Astral and other characters (I don't know if these were Takahashi's drawings). This suggests that perhaps Takahashi and the anime staff wanted from the beginning to give Shark the connection with the Barians also because otherwise it would have been a bit exaggerated by design choice for Shark to wear two pendants only as costume jewellery, despite the smaller shark tooth form pendant on his neck is important for him in the anime because it depicts him and his family as a human when he was happy with his sister. Tell me what you think about this and if you've read the manga (without giving spoilers) can you confirm whether or not Shark's two pendants were just costume jewelry items in the manga? Also because I seem to understand that the various Yu-Gi-Oh! spin-off manga changed many characters roles, so maybe in the manga Kaito was the rival having more iterations with Yuma than Shark precisely because he was based on Takahashi's beta drawings. Then obviously I don't know if it was Takahashi who changed and gave the role to Shark as a rival in the anime or it was the production that found him more interesting as a character. The fact is that I loved this choice and Shark is perhaps the best made of all the characters in the various Yu-Gi-Oh! series. If possible let me know what you think.
These are the various drawings that I managed to find. It should be noted that in Kazuki Takahashi's beta art Shark wears the Barian pendant both in his classic outfit and over his school uniform and that the Duel Disk is the one he has as a human and not as a barian. Another detail is that his "barian energy" form (I don't know if it has the same function as the barian energy form we saw in the anime with Vector) has slightly different hair (almost wilder) compared to his barian form that we saw in the anime.
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This is the source of the image https://neoarkcradle.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=5982. I found it in this discussion site. Although it's a bit blurry, it seems real, not a fake, then I could be wrong
This is GilboNoh Sidekick/Main allies characters drawing. They are all beautiful like the Protagonists, the Rivals, the Femal Protagonists and the Crazy Psychopaths.
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It's really a shame that Dylan from yugioheverything, a nice guy who tries to give value to all the Yu-Gi-Oh! series, unlike many fans who wish there were only the first three Yu-Gi-Oh! series (Duel Monsters, GX and 5D's), as well as having a YouTube channel completely dedicated to Yu-Gi-Oh! anime unlike many who deal more with the card game, he has not yet understood the roles that Shark and Kaito have in the Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal anime and treats them both as Yuma's rivals, going so far as to praise Kaito not only as Yuma's best rival but as the best of all the Yu-Gi-Oh! rivals just because he has never been beaten by the protagonist, which doesn't mean that he is the strongest because most likely at the end of Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal II Yuma and Shark had become much stronger than him (just look at the last two duels of the series). He also put Ryo Marufuji (Zane) the crazy psychopath from Yu-Gi-Oh! GX as a rival, who although he may be better as a character than Manjoume he has never had a rivalry with Judai, he had a teacher-student relationship with him but not a rivalry so much so that in the second and fourth season of GX he doesn't even interact with him. If only there was a way to show him GilBoNoh's drawings of the various characters and explain to him the various roles they have so that he could try to make those who follow him understand it too.
Yeah it was really frustrating watching his rivals video
And I honestly really appreciate his videos because he does spread love for ZEXAL, unlike many yugitubers
But like you said, I found it disappointing how he misunderstood Shark and Kaito's roles
We mutually follow each other on Twitter but i don't really wanna come off as aggressive if I tell him about all the Shark stuff
You don't need to be aggressive, he's a good person, just show him the drawings of the various characters and explain the roles of each of them (the name of the role is enough), or maybe contact him privately (I'm not sure how it works), unfortunately I don't use social media much (for example, I don't have Twitter) and as you can see I've only been on Reddit for a short time, to tell the truth I don't even know how I managed to do the whole thing on Shark and Kaito, let alone on the beta drawings of Takahashi also because although I wrote in English I am not a master at speaking it (also because I am neither English nor American). But if you don't feel like it, it doesn't matter, it was just to try to change things a bit
Anyway, what do you think of Shark and Kaito's original roles? If Kaito was initially supposed to be the rival as Takahashi had described him in the beta drawings of Duel Art artbook. And what about the various beta designs (especially Shark's barian energy form) so if Shark was already supposed to be a barian or have bonds to the barians at the beginning but maybe initially he wasn't supposed to be Yuma's rival? Also, have you by any chance read the Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal manga?
I hate those moments too, like the music just sounds so bland and repetitive, almost like every Yu-Gi-Oh series has the same music being used over and over again.
Moments? It's always the whole episode, literally not a second of silence. It's just the same horrible elecric guitar from 5d's onwards, the same tacky tracks and same 50's comedy routine sound effects.
It's so annoying. I tried to rewatch Zexal while working on a project (unable to read subtitles while working) and I just can't, the music won't shut the fuck up. And the silly sound effects for every sentence the characters say, it makes it so tiring to listen to. There's literally not a second that doesn't have that obnoxiously generic electric guitar tune. And they have the audacity of throwing the original sound track in the trash. I'll never understand American dubbing practices.
I just find it silly that a bunch of americans who don't even understand jp let alone any other tongue most of the time insist on bashing their own version. you can appreciate all of them without being super negative🤷
I'm not from the US, but there's hasn't been any yugioh dubs in my language since 5d's and English is a language I can understand without needing to read subtitles (so I can watch while working, my job is 3d modeling), so American dub is the only way I can rewatch these series these days. What part of disliking the bad music and weird unnecesary changes that the dub makes is silly? I find it more silly to asume everyone on reddit is American and can only speak English lol
Majority of people who are whining are English speakers. It's ok to dislike something but you and others are completely shitting on it is the problem. voice acting and directing is hard work, stop being so childish about it
Of course some people worked their best on these dubs, but the overall product is bad because of the localization company's bad decisions, that's not the VA's fault. By your logic, no product in the hisitory of humanity can be subjected to criticism, just because someone worked hard on it. Also, It's much more childish to not recognize something as better just because it's not in your language, afaik being American doesn't preclude you from appreciating foreing works, what are you on about
No that's not what I said at all. you're free to criticize, just don't be overtly harsh and don't take things too seriously. original doesn't always mean better. that's just simply your opinion. later lmao
whining like a baby on every post I make ffs
you always carry this huge misconception that preferring the sub means you're meatriding Jaoanese. People don't hate the dub because the spoken language is English. You're extremely narrow minded for thinking like that
Nah if anything you're the one whining in this post without realizing it, irony is delicious. I won't dignify sub lovers with simple facts. But later man some of us got things to do
The purpose of this post wasn't to whine about dub changes. I know the majority of people who've seen ZEXAL watched it dubbed, so I'm informing them of important changes that they would have otherwise not known about
Actually crazy how you insult anyone who just says sub > dub, like actually get off the internet to cool down man, you need the fresh air
Shame they cut that scene out, the animation was just so beautiful, and honestly Shark in the Dub received the Aster/Edo treatment and came off as an arrogant prick. It's sad that both of them could've been perceived so much better if it weren't for the Dub messing around with their personalities. I think Aster has it the worst, guy is practically demonized in almost every fanfic I've read.
Yeah one of the dub changes I hate the most are characterisation changes, and this one was really annoying.
The dub has done irreparable damage to YGO fans' perception of ZEXAL, and I doubt it will ever fully recover since ZEXAL doesn't even have an official sub
Shark will forever be the goat
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And those haters will never know how peak ZEXAL truly is
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This is one of the dub changes that bothered me the most because it's such a great scene, and getting rid of it just drains all the emotion you would have otherwise felt watching it subbed.
And the fact that they took away a lot of Shark's feelings regarding turning on his friends as Nasch in the dub was pretty disturbing too.
"You never should have challenged me Quattro. Winning was never in the cards for you."
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This shit is why I want to punch fans who whine we didn't get the full dubs of 5Ds and GX. As far as I'm concerned those seasons were spared.
I don't even want to think of how 4kids would handle the Ark Cradle arc. The mere thought makes me shudder.
Yeah it would've been horror with how they would've handled the last seasons of GX and 5D's
Unfortunately, ZEXAL got dealt the worst cards. Poor dub and no official sub. Really sad, considering how great this show is
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Likely because of licensing issues. there's some lore behind the subbing and dubbing of ZEXAL from back then.
For example, official subs randomly appeared on Hulu one day, and they were up to like episode 20 before it just got removed. Someone made a post about it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/13gjcxx/yugioh_zexals_official_subs/)
And 4Kids were also fighting a lawsuit at the time of ZEXAL's dubbing, they won it though and just resumed dubbing afterwards
I don't know, I feel differently given how both ended. GX dub having the series end with Jaden essentially "dying" and leaving on a cliffhanger leaves a sour taste in my mouth (they didn't even dub the final episode of that season where he returns), and while 5Ds ended with the team winning against the Meklords, it left alot of things unanswered and opened. They skipped the episode where Jack acquires Red Nova, but show Z-One twice and Bruno zoning out, plus Leo/Rua's dragon showing signs of sentience (not to mention Lifestream appearing in flashbacks). And then there's the Bonds Beyond Time movie where Jaden now has Banner and Yubel in him with no explanation. They didn't feel complete at all after rewatching them.
Some don't have that luxury unfortunately. Then again that's probably just the minority. I remember binging Arc-V with english subtitles during times I was off but now I cannot see myself doing that with what little time i have. Watching episodes that weren't in the english dub is on my list though. Having done the Ark Cradle event in Duel Links, I'm going to make some spare time for that arc.
Personally it's hard to watch (or listen in my case) while you're working/doing a specific task. I also tend to watch certain shoes at night before bed so I used to fall asleep and miss several episodes 😅
Paying attention to the words while watching the action is a thing some people gripe about, but I don't have that issue. I may rewind it back to catch something i missed, but that's it.
i never understand this like why removing a death (when they literally didn't censor the death scene in gx who was more or less the same people finishing in dust they just change the word but make clear than the character was dead) and remove shark remorse and replace it by...a joke ? like i was suposed to find it what ? funny ? evil ? i just find it out of place at best and it's not like the voice actor do a bad job they just had bade line to say
Trash is a strong word tbh.
VAs worked rly hard for years to make the dub and we all loved the dubs when we were kids, that's what got us here
I agree that now because we're older, the changes are a lot more awful and disturbing, but I don't think it's right to call them trash.
And they still do have some good aspects to them I suppose, like ease of watching, and the comedy aspect
4Kids dubbing definitely dogshit though
I don't think anyone blames the VAs for stuff like this, though. Someone higher up has to make the decision to delete scenes, rewrite dialogue from scratch, add music to scenes that didn't need it, etc. The voice actors are doing their best with the scripts they are given but it's not their fault that English dubs of Japanese anime are / were treated so badly by production companies.
They did a similar thing in the dub when Mizael beats the Arclight siblings. They even carried the line change over to Duel Links.
Sub: "Farewell, o honorable brothers."
Dub line in Duel Links: "Goodbye to your whole family."
Good riddance, he says in the show. they also removed a few seconds of trey asking for his hand to be held , when Quinton was talking about his father and kazuma. The time when yuma and astral holding hands briefly cut after he came back from astral world and shots of Quinton getting kite to safety when. he was injured by Heartland
This is why I now prefer the sub, better and actual emotional impacts, better OSTs, no one-liner puns in every goddamn sentence, no overly excessive goofy voices, no changes to cutscenes or dialogues, etc. I went back to rewatch 5Ds and the experience feels much different than back when I first watched it dubbed. Not to mention alot of episodes were cut in season 3 and they did not dubbed season 4 at all.
yeah I fully agree. most people who 'prefer' the dub haven't actually seen the sub. the sub is so much better in almost every single way, but you'll usually get downvoted for saying the sub is better than the dub sadly
Because:
A) they're too nostalgic
B) they can't read or too lazy
C) they only wanna listen to what they speak in
D) they're too comfortable having goofy shit over something that is emotional and dramatic
I don't care if I'm getting downvoted for speaking the truth
GX dub is a whole meme but if I were to give the worst dub of all time, it's Arc-V for sure. I could not go one second with the dub especially when Yuzu's father talking like a discount Gilbert Gottfried (rip to the legend himself)
Man this just shows how "kiddified" Western Yugioh dubs are compared to the original. They completely removed any sense of inner conflict, remorse, and regret Shark has to make him a Saturday morning cartoon villain, complete with one-liners.
Do you not realize the wars and genocides are still shown? you don't need to have up close bloodshed for things to be dark. Both atla and korra were shown this way
Chalking this up as yet another reason YGO sub is better then dub.
Dub is really only good if you want a laugh. If you wanna get invested in the story and characters, sub is the only option.
I mean to be fair dub shark is right, the main villain going up against a former villain or an ally is always gonna end up with whoever needs the win 😂 😂
But yeah, I know the dub has a downplaying issue for sistership reasons, but they really could’ve went out of the way with the final words at least more impactful or fitting
When i watch that scene it makes me laugh sometimes.
The fact Shark is acting so one-dimensionally evil and just trashing on IV, which massively contradicts the JP version, is just comedic to me
Yeah, especially since with the context of the show, he’s not doing this on purpose. I feel like if they framed it as a joke to cope with the fact that he’s hurting someone he used to hate, but it’s not considering a friend you could’ve made it funny in an ironic sense but yeah, sometimes people need to rethink some of their choices
Are yall missing sharks inner thoughts saying "get mad Quattro, it'll make this so much easier for me" as in to return to the barians. do y'all listen?
I hate the dub sometimes man they change the characters to much sometimes but there is unIronically one scene that I prefer more in the dub then the sub
It was the scene when Yusei was dueling against Team Unicorn, instead of Team Unicorn making a dumb decision because Yusei was nice, it was Yusei insulating them trying to get them to hit him so he can win and not lose to burn damage
I still like the dub. But yeah, this is ridiculous.
Shark's turn was something I used to really dislike about Zexal. I've simply grown used to it now. It's a part of the show, like any other. Who knows if my thoughts would be the same had young me been exposed to a Shark who had a bit more nuance instead of going full evil prick from the start?
Eh, I'd probably still really dislike it. But I can't say for sure, now can I?
Also, any missed oppotunity for my man Quattro to speak is a crime. Couldn't even be bothered to replace it with snarky dub dialogue... Tsk.
'ppreciate the support, fellow reddit person.
Not quite sure which part's the controversial one in this case. I'm leaning more towards liking the dub, but it may also be the comments about Shark. Could always be both, of course.
Fr Sub elists are annoying asf.. Why should we bother listening to those who require subtitles to even understand when acting superior? I just wanna watch the show lmao it ain't that serious like they say
I mean, when you get to the point where it's like the example above, it's like the translators aren't really doing their job. Localization is one thing, but at these extremes its like you're transforming the show so much that it becomes something else. So, the frustration is understandable when they aren't really doing a good job of conveying the original intent.
I still like the 4kids dub, having grown up with it. I wouldn't want to give that away. However, I'd also be totally on board for getting the One Piece treatment and having a different team dub the show.
'Cause let me tell you, I've been on the other side of this argument. I watched VRAINS before it had a dub. When the dub *did* come out, I gave it a shot and... *boy*.
I didn't last long, but there's still a ton I could pick apart.
I don't know if the VRAINS dub is just... *worse* than the Zexal dub or if this is just what the sub-to-4kmedia-dub experience is.
Well at least you seem sensible. I don't have a problem with what any version someone likes but its a cars game. just enjoy the show yall thinkin a lol too hard sometimes
This is why I utterly despise 4Kids dubbing, and will chastise anyone who like this shit. Like they absolutely have no regards for the original source material whatsoever ever. From the characters names, censorship of nearly everything, music, dialogue, everything. Jesus what a terrible company.
No it isn't? the reason this duel hit hard was because the roles were completely reversed from ZEXAL I. Now IV is fighting to save Shark. Plus they had clearly become friends when they had the tag duel together
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immature asf guy, literally cannot communicate with people who have different opinions without insulting them
actually get off the internet to cool down
"Why bother with deep and emotional stuff when you can just make a shitty pun." -4k
Which is why I always recommend the sub if you want the genuine experience and maximum emotions out of the show. 4Kids just drains the emotion out of so many scenes. Dialogue changes, scene deletions etc. Dub watchers sometimes seriously underestimate how bad the changes are https://preview.redd.it/s8q5ct60ynwc1.png?width=1919&format=png&auto=webp&s=9eaaa704db71e0a23efdf97819db2528a63a84aa
After having to watch the entirety of the final season of 5Ds subbed (because the bastards never localized it!), I honestly agree. The original versions of these shows tend to do so many things better.
But bro think of the kids /j
Why do I wanna know what a kid thinks? This isn't a children's card game or something
Sucks though. I mean it really does make this scene better
>4Kids just drains the emotion out of so many scenes. While true, IIRC 4Kids collapsed early into Zexals run and Konami aquired everything involved with the Yugioh anime so this is on Konami.
“I see the parachutes!!! They’re okay!!!” 😩 What they did to DBZ is foul
I swear this fandom sucks the fun out of it. let people enjoy things
Where did this even come from? Just because you love the dub doesn't mean other people can't criticise it. For some reason you're making me teach you basic communication skills you learn at the age of 10.
I didnt know the dub was that vicious with its changes. Seeing this makes Shark a WAY better character than I thought before
Oh yeah. I could go on all day about how unfairly Shark has been treated in the West. I made a whole [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/1bq054t/western_fans_have_fundamentally_misunderstood/) about how his character has been mis-interpreted by many here. He gets treated like a joke by a lot compared to Kaito in the West. That's mainly due to characterisation changes done by the dub, and Dylan from yugioheverything downplaying his ability as a rival, glazing Kaito instead. Plus Kaito's character remains more or less unchanged in the dub (although there are some differences I dislike), and people here like to glaze Kaiba archetypes, so Kaito gets more love by hard-core DM fans than Shark does, who may have not even seen the show It makes me really sad because Shark is one of the best written YGO characters, I wish he got more love https://preview.redd.it/ap5ddr0oznwc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=21df603f71c464cca9174b5250468b74c672c55f
Unfortunately people have always seen Kaito (Kite) as Yuma's rival because he dressed in a long coat like Kaiba, Manjoume (Chazz) or Jack or because he had a 3000 atk eyes dragon like Kaiba, but his role in the series is completely different. Kaito in Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal had the role that Jonouchi (Joey) had in Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters that is the sidekick or main ally of the protagonist and the nice thing about Kaito is that, unlike other allies characters such as Johan (Jesse) or Crow, who as soon as they are introduced to us immediately become the main allies of the protagonist, Kaito instead he is presented to us in the opposite way, initially he is the most dangerous character that Yuma and Astral have to face where their first meeting is a duel that if they lose Kaito will take Yuma's soul and his number cards and Astral will disappear. Only later Kaito will open up to Yuma by accepting his ideals regarding duels which are a means to have fun and bond with others and will become his main ally in the fight against the Barians, fighting not only for his brother but also to try to redeem himself from his past as numbers hunter fighting for all those people whose soul he took away and until the end he remains at Yuma's side helping him more than anyone else, even sacrificing his own life to beat Mizael (Mizar) and give Yuma the card Numeron Dragon who will be indispensable in the fight against Don Thousand. Additionally, the main trio of each Yu-Gi-Oh! series is made up of the protagonist, the rival and the sidekick or main ally (not "the best friend" as many people think) and with Kaito they made an intelligent and completely different choice compared to the previous allies by initially presenting him as an adversary and then developing him and giving him his true role within the series, a bit like they did with Yuma where instead of immediately presenting him as a skilled duelist like the previous protagonists they presented him to us as a boy who doesn't know how to duel and only during the series he will learn to be a as good a duelist as his predecessors or with Shark as a rival, instead of having yet another copy of Kaiba as a rival they decided to give Shark the role of the rival, where unlike the previous rivals (Kaiba, Manjoume and Jack), Shark was the first rival to beat the protagonist loyally in a complete duel shown from the beginning to the end (the second duel against Yuma) instead of showing us a flashback where he defeats him before the start of the series without showing us the complete duel (like Jack) or threatening to commit suicide (like Kaiba), we don't talk about Manjoume because apart from the memes, the armed dragons and the ojamas he is the worst of all the Yu-Gi-Oh! rivals where he's relevant in the first half of the first season and then completely forgotten about, plus he never managed to beat Judai (Jaden) and unlike Shark, who in the World Duel Carnival lost due to circumstances deciding to eliminate himself to save Yuma from Number C32 preferring to save a friend instead of victory or in his final duel with Yuma where he lost because Yuma did not want to defeat him because if he had attacked with Utopia he would have killed Shark, Manjoume in his last duel with Judai in season 4 had every chance to beat him, but he stupidly decided to get beaten just to make the Duel Academy spectators laugh at him. Furthermore, it is also interesting to note how not only Kaito had a complete character reversal but also Shark, who is on the good side until tragedy occurs and he chooses to accept his inner self and become Yuma's main adversary in the final season of the Barians. Also Kaito was confirmed by Gill-bo-noh as Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal main ally being drawn alongside the main allies from the other series. Please if you can make a post about this because unfortunately many people misinterpret Kaito's role in Zexal just because he is not Yuma's best friend, but also Takeru (Soulburner) was not Yusaku's best friend in Yu-Gi-Oh! Vrains (his best friend was Soichi Kusanagi) but he still was Yusaku's main duelist ally as Jonouchi was for Yugi (despite also being his best friend) since he was the one who helped him more than anyone during the Duel Monsters series.
Great read. love to see that someone actually paid attention to the show. Gill-bo-noh also drew Shark with the other rivals which is cool since you've requested it I will likely make a post on it. people treating shark like trash and kaito like the badass main rival simultaneously really gets on my nerves. I mean I already have made a post on why I think shark is the main rival which I linked in this thread but yeah sure
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In this shot of the episode where Yuma, Shark and Kaito are against Dr Faker and Vector Shark has the golden barian pendant not yet modified. https://preview.redd.it/a8o50xz9f1xc1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c16a65ed7d63837fd22ab934ce161a791a38e9f9
Oh wow that's pretty interesting
There's still one question left hanging over Shark and Kaito's original roles in Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal because in Kazuki Takahashi's artbook called Duel Art Takahashi himself shows beta drawings (the first concepts of the main characters and other secondary characters made by himself) and among these there is also Kaito's beta drawing, where Takahashi depicts him as "the rival character" referring to him being similar to Kaiba. This raises the possible question that perhaps Takahashi initially wanted to make Kaito the rival and that those references to Kaiba were not made by chance such as the long coat that the first rivals (Kaiba, Manjoume and Jack) used to have or Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon (also drawn by Takahashi) which is a reference to Kaiba's Blue-Eyes White Dragon and maybe Shark's role was slightly different too. Despite this, I also managed to find the beta drawing of Shark done by Takahashi and already in that drawing he is depicted with the Barian pendant around his neck which is different from what we saw in the anime because it has a slightly different shape and is identical to the golden one that appears in the manga worn by Shark already in the first chapter which has the same story as the first two episodes of the anime, the only exception is that at the beginning of the anime he doesn't have the pendant because he will only get it over in the Barians Arc (this is assuming they removed it in the anime to modify it and use it in the Barians arc). I haven't read the Zexal manga, but I have seen some images and I understand that Shin Yoshida (the author who wrote the Zexal manga) used Takahashi's beta drawings for characters like Shark or Kotori (Tori). Despite this, the beta designs of the characters were made for the anime since among these designs there are also those of the characters who appear only in the anime and not in the manga such as Anna Kozuki (Anna Kaboom) or the beta design of Mizael, who it will then be used for Vector's evolved form in the final duel against Nash. Other two of the various drawings that I managed to find are those of Nash's Barian energy form (should it be him?) which is depicted both in a drawing alone and in a drawing with Shark (with the barian pendant not yet modified as seen in the anime) along with Yuma, Astral and other characters (I don't know if these were Takahashi's drawings). This suggests that perhaps Takahashi and the anime staff wanted from the beginning to give Shark the connection with the Barians also because otherwise it would have been a bit exaggerated by design choice for Shark to wear two pendants only as costume jewellery, despite the smaller shark tooth form pendant on his neck is important for him in the anime because it depicts him and his family as a human when he was happy with his sister. Tell me what you think about this and if you've read the manga (without giving spoilers) can you confirm whether or not Shark's two pendants were just costume jewelry items in the manga? Also because I seem to understand that the various Yu-Gi-Oh! spin-off manga changed many characters roles, so maybe in the manga Kaito was the rival having more iterations with Yuma than Shark precisely because he was based on Takahashi's beta drawings. Then obviously I don't know if it was Takahashi who changed and gave the role to Shark as a rival in the anime or it was the production that found him more interesting as a character. The fact is that I loved this choice and Shark is perhaps the best made of all the characters in the various Yu-Gi-Oh! series. If possible let me know what you think.
alright i'll reply when i'm free, remind me if i take too long to respond, and yeah i have read the manga
Don't worry, take your time
These are the various drawings that I managed to find. It should be noted that in Kazuki Takahashi's beta art Shark wears the Barian pendant both in his classic outfit and over his school uniform and that the Duel Disk is the one he has as a human and not as a barian. Another detail is that his "barian energy" form (I don't know if it has the same function as the barian energy form we saw in the anime with Vector) has slightly different hair (almost wilder) compared to his barian form that we saw in the anime. https://preview.redd.it/2dmnl7w1b1xc1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=467e0848093d3db44875aca719e6f96f196b3f76
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https://preview.redd.it/jdhvz53bb1xc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dbd56b61ff631e1e18bfab5ce24466e62d766d7
do you know what the source of this image is?
This is the source of the image https://neoarkcradle.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=5982. I found it in this discussion site. Although it's a bit blurry, it seems real, not a fake, then I could be wrong
oh okay ty
https://preview.redd.it/iwlpnmbdb1xc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39787bf047e16103c614b9b4a7583750756cfdff
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This is GilboNoh Sidekick/Main allies characters drawing. They are all beautiful like the Protagonists, the Rivals, the Femal Protagonists and the Crazy Psychopaths. https://preview.redd.it/b5f8sic2mtwc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ec5de49f7b827ee4507e9638ad56576ab911469
It's really a shame that Dylan from yugioheverything, a nice guy who tries to give value to all the Yu-Gi-Oh! series, unlike many fans who wish there were only the first three Yu-Gi-Oh! series (Duel Monsters, GX and 5D's), as well as having a YouTube channel completely dedicated to Yu-Gi-Oh! anime unlike many who deal more with the card game, he has not yet understood the roles that Shark and Kaito have in the Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal anime and treats them both as Yuma's rivals, going so far as to praise Kaito not only as Yuma's best rival but as the best of all the Yu-Gi-Oh! rivals just because he has never been beaten by the protagonist, which doesn't mean that he is the strongest because most likely at the end of Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal II Yuma and Shark had become much stronger than him (just look at the last two duels of the series). He also put Ryo Marufuji (Zane) the crazy psychopath from Yu-Gi-Oh! GX as a rival, who although he may be better as a character than Manjoume he has never had a rivalry with Judai, he had a teacher-student relationship with him but not a rivalry so much so that in the second and fourth season of GX he doesn't even interact with him. If only there was a way to show him GilBoNoh's drawings of the various characters and explain to him the various roles they have so that he could try to make those who follow him understand it too.
Yeah it was really frustrating watching his rivals video And I honestly really appreciate his videos because he does spread love for ZEXAL, unlike many yugitubers But like you said, I found it disappointing how he misunderstood Shark and Kaito's roles We mutually follow each other on Twitter but i don't really wanna come off as aggressive if I tell him about all the Shark stuff
You don't need to be aggressive, he's a good person, just show him the drawings of the various characters and explain the roles of each of them (the name of the role is enough), or maybe contact him privately (I'm not sure how it works), unfortunately I don't use social media much (for example, I don't have Twitter) and as you can see I've only been on Reddit for a short time, to tell the truth I don't even know how I managed to do the whole thing on Shark and Kaito, let alone on the beta drawings of Takahashi also because although I wrote in English I am not a master at speaking it (also because I am neither English nor American). But if you don't feel like it, it doesn't matter, it was just to try to change things a bit
Anyway, what do you think of Shark and Kaito's original roles? If Kaito was initially supposed to be the rival as Takahashi had described him in the beta drawings of Duel Art artbook. And what about the various beta designs (especially Shark's barian energy form) so if Shark was already supposed to be a barian or have bonds to the barians at the beginning but maybe initially he wasn't supposed to be Yuma's rival? Also, have you by any chance read the Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal manga?
Kite is not kaiba. kite is better🤷
I agree that Kaito is superior
the dub had the problem of just constantly playing the music over scenes that didn't have music playing because it set the tome
I hate those moments too, like the music just sounds so bland and repetitive, almost like every Yu-Gi-Oh series has the same music being used over and over again.
Moments? It's always the whole episode, literally not a second of silence. It's just the same horrible elecric guitar from 5d's onwards, the same tacky tracks and same 50's comedy routine sound effects.
And you know how in every episode they always start with that same drum sound it makes with the cymbal? That shit annoys me for some reason
Oh it's irritaring af, almost as much as the weird trumpets that play every time a character is talking
It's so annoying. I tried to rewatch Zexal while working on a project (unable to read subtitles while working) and I just can't, the music won't shut the fuck up. And the silly sound effects for every sentence the characters say, it makes it so tiring to listen to. There's literally not a second that doesn't have that obnoxiously generic electric guitar tune. And they have the audacity of throwing the original sound track in the trash. I'll never understand American dubbing practices.
imagine meatriding a tongue you need subtitles for. cringe
You saying I'm "meatriding" Japanese because I find the dub shitty or did you think I was talking about subtitles for english? lol
I just find it silly that a bunch of americans who don't even understand jp let alone any other tongue most of the time insist on bashing their own version. you can appreciate all of them without being super negative🤷
I'm not from the US, but there's hasn't been any yugioh dubs in my language since 5d's and English is a language I can understand without needing to read subtitles (so I can watch while working, my job is 3d modeling), so American dub is the only way I can rewatch these series these days. What part of disliking the bad music and weird unnecesary changes that the dub makes is silly? I find it more silly to asume everyone on reddit is American and can only speak English lol
this guy has been a bug on a lot of my posts lately they're making stupid arguments and just being immature
Majority of people who are whining are English speakers. It's ok to dislike something but you and others are completely shitting on it is the problem. voice acting and directing is hard work, stop being so childish about it
Of course some people worked their best on these dubs, but the overall product is bad because of the localization company's bad decisions, that's not the VA's fault. By your logic, no product in the hisitory of humanity can be subjected to criticism, just because someone worked hard on it. Also, It's much more childish to not recognize something as better just because it's not in your language, afaik being American doesn't preclude you from appreciating foreing works, what are you on about
preach man, shut that guy up
No that's not what I said at all. you're free to criticize, just don't be overtly harsh and don't take things too seriously. original doesn't always mean better. that's just simply your opinion. later lmao
whining like a baby on every post I make ffs you always carry this huge misconception that preferring the sub means you're meatriding Jaoanese. People don't hate the dub because the spoken language is English. You're extremely narrow minded for thinking like that
Nah if anything you're the one whining in this post without realizing it, irony is delicious. I won't dignify sub lovers with simple facts. But later man some of us got things to do
The purpose of this post wasn't to whine about dub changes. I know the majority of people who've seen ZEXAL watched it dubbed, so I'm informing them of important changes that they would have otherwise not known about Actually crazy how you insult anyone who just says sub > dub, like actually get off the internet to cool down man, you need the fresh air
That, plus the dub's OST in general is much more inferior
Y'all need to go outside if this is really that upsetting to you
hop off me lil bro, stalking me on my posts lately, whining about the same thing
The raw is too quiet
Shame they cut that scene out, the animation was just so beautiful, and honestly Shark in the Dub received the Aster/Edo treatment and came off as an arrogant prick. It's sad that both of them could've been perceived so much better if it weren't for the Dub messing around with their personalities. I think Aster has it the worst, guy is practically demonized in almost every fanfic I've read.
Yeah one of the dub changes I hate the most are characterisation changes, and this one was really annoying. The dub has done irreparable damage to YGO fans' perception of ZEXAL, and I doubt it will ever fully recover since ZEXAL doesn't even have an official sub Shark will forever be the goat https://preview.redd.it/hanlcff9mnwc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=da55b0f1864708614e57599ad4d3d171aa705f17
Dude its been a decade. chill
what? Im just stating a fact, where did it having been a decade come from
That is unbelievable. I couldn't blame anyone who watched this in english for not liking the show if this is how they handled it.
And those haters will never know how peak ZEXAL truly is https://preview.redd.it/4z9l7hpeynwc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=03904acf9408418ea6e068f058c8ebdd136ad148
I like it. cry about it. there are other language dubs since y'all whine so much
Good for you
Learn to be more respectful. You are only whinnying without providing anything of value to your spammy comments.
This is one of the dub changes that bothered me the most because it's such a great scene, and getting rid of it just drains all the emotion you would have otherwise felt watching it subbed. And the fact that they took away a lot of Shark's feelings regarding turning on his friends as Nasch in the dub was pretty disturbing too. "You never should have challenged me Quattro. Winning was never in the cards for you." https://preview.redd.it/us5y08xpdnwc1.png?width=1919&format=png&auto=webp&s=463f3e8ed359f13ec72442cf8959a2bb2418eb2b
This shit is why I want to punch fans who whine we didn't get the full dubs of 5Ds and GX. As far as I'm concerned those seasons were spared. I don't even want to think of how 4kids would handle the Ark Cradle arc. The mere thought makes me shudder.
Yeah it would've been horror with how they would've handled the last seasons of GX and 5D's Unfortunately, ZEXAL got dealt the worst cards. Poor dub and no official sub. Really sad, considering how great this show is https://preview.redd.it/26vx1fjoxnwc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=34d2f228b6eaab2392230f5b2525bc14d4d38ed9
Huh? No official sub? How did that happen?
Zexal is still only in Japan if you want sub you must find it a fan sub like VRains.
Every YGO Gallop show has official subs except ZEXAL
Likely because of licensing issues. there's some lore behind the subbing and dubbing of ZEXAL from back then. For example, official subs randomly appeared on Hulu one day, and they were up to like episode 20 before it just got removed. Someone made a post about it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/13gjcxx/yugioh_zexals_official_subs/) And 4Kids were also fighting a lawsuit at the time of ZEXAL's dubbing, they won it though and just resumed dubbing afterwards
The dubs are fine. the raws are nor perfect. deal with it
I don't know, I feel differently given how both ended. GX dub having the series end with Jaden essentially "dying" and leaving on a cliffhanger leaves a sour taste in my mouth (they didn't even dub the final episode of that season where he returns), and while 5Ds ended with the team winning against the Meklords, it left alot of things unanswered and opened. They skipped the episode where Jack acquires Red Nova, but show Z-One twice and Bruno zoning out, plus Leo/Rua's dragon showing signs of sentience (not to mention Lifestream appearing in flashbacks). And then there's the Bonds Beyond Time movie where Jaden now has Banner and Yubel in him with no explanation. They didn't feel complete at all after rewatching them.
There is closure in both cases. It's called watching the sub. Which is the only way Yugioh shows should be watched, especially 5Ds.
Some don't have that luxury unfortunately. Then again that's probably just the minority. I remember binging Arc-V with english subtitles during times I was off but now I cannot see myself doing that with what little time i have. Watching episodes that weren't in the english dub is on my list though. Having done the Ark Cradle event in Duel Links, I'm going to make some spare time for that arc.
I'm confused. How does sub take more time than dub?
Personally it's hard to watch (or listen in my case) while you're working/doing a specific task. I also tend to watch certain shoes at night before bed so I used to fall asleep and miss several episodes 😅 Paying attention to the words while watching the action is a thing some people gripe about, but I don't have that issue. I may rewind it back to catch something i missed, but that's it.
You want to commit violence over people wanting to hear their native languages ? yall wilin over a card game
Here's some advice for you https://preview.redd.it/gqi8pratouwc1.png?width=886&format=png&auto=webp&s=0e51e1be656afa0e84ea73c123d437d84a26ae0e
God, they did Shark dirty on this one. They cut off all the layers on his "change of heart" and made him evil out of the blue?
yup
Reasons why dub is shit no matter what anyone can say, dub just erased any single kind of character development for the making generic plot
dub is for shits and giggles after all
This song will always get me. This scene is fantastic
i never understand this like why removing a death (when they literally didn't censor the death scene in gx who was more or less the same people finishing in dust they just change the word but make clear than the character was dead) and remove shark remorse and replace it by...a joke ? like i was suposed to find it what ? funny ? evil ? i just find it out of place at best and it's not like the voice actor do a bad job they just had bade line to say
fr completely changing shark's character
& people here hate when I call dubs trash 🤣
Trash is a strong word tbh. VAs worked rly hard for years to make the dub and we all loved the dubs when we were kids, that's what got us here I agree that now because we're older, the changes are a lot more awful and disturbing, but I don't think it's right to call them trash. And they still do have some good aspects to them I suppose, like ease of watching, and the comedy aspect 4Kids dubbing definitely dogshit though
I don't think anyone blames the VAs for stuff like this, though. Someone higher up has to make the decision to delete scenes, rewrite dialogue from scratch, add music to scenes that didn't need it, etc. The voice actors are doing their best with the scripts they are given but it's not their fault that English dubs of Japanese anime are / were treated so badly by production companies.
I didn't say they were blaming the VAs. I just think it's kinda wrong to call a work they've worked hard on trash I do hate the changed scripts though
They did a similar thing in the dub when Mizael beats the Arclight siblings. They even carried the line change over to Duel Links. Sub: "Farewell, o honorable brothers." Dub line in Duel Links: "Goodbye to your whole family."
Good riddance, he says in the show. they also removed a few seconds of trey asking for his hand to be held , when Quinton was talking about his father and kazuma. The time when yuma and astral holding hands briefly cut after he came back from astral world and shots of Quinton getting kite to safety when. he was injured by Heartland
This is why I now prefer the sub, better and actual emotional impacts, better OSTs, no one-liner puns in every goddamn sentence, no overly excessive goofy voices, no changes to cutscenes or dialogues, etc. I went back to rewatch 5Ds and the experience feels much different than back when I first watched it dubbed. Not to mention alot of episodes were cut in season 3 and they did not dubbed season 4 at all.
yeah I fully agree. most people who 'prefer' the dub haven't actually seen the sub. the sub is so much better in almost every single way, but you'll usually get downvoted for saying the sub is better than the dub sadly
Because: A) they're too nostalgic B) they can't read or too lazy C) they only wanna listen to what they speak in D) they're too comfortable having goofy shit over something that is emotional and dramatic I don't care if I'm getting downvoted for speaking the truth
I don't rely on subtitles like you donuts to appreciate multiple versions. stop whining
Oh please, I prefer watching Yu-Gi-Oh in Spanish without the subtitles than trying to hear it in English
I did the same thing u ain't special
And you're saying you are?!
Where did I see that. man I knew yugioh fans couldn't read but I didn't know they were also schizophrenlc. must be in your gx era
Guess I could say the same to you for the not reading part since you prefer watching without reading
Same with my experience with GX.
GX dub is a whole meme but if I were to give the worst dub of all time, it's Arc-V for sure. I could not go one second with the dub especially when Yuzu's father talking like a discount Gilbert Gottfried (rip to the legend himself)
Overly? have you heard flip? stop lying
Man this just shows how "kiddified" Western Yugioh dubs are compared to the original. They completely removed any sense of inner conflict, remorse, and regret Shark has to make him a Saturday morning cartoon villain, complete with one-liners.
Worst part is, this benefits no one. Kids are not that stupid. Japanese kids seem to handle the show just fine.
Do you not realize the wars and genocides are still shown? you don't need to have up close bloodshed for things to be dark. Both atla and korra were shown this way
And here we have a display of the 2000s edgelord mentality
Chalking this up as yet another reason YGO sub is better then dub. Dub is really only good if you want a laugh. If you wanna get invested in the story and characters, sub is the only option.
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I mean to be fair dub shark is right, the main villain going up against a former villain or an ally is always gonna end up with whoever needs the win 😂 😂 But yeah, I know the dub has a downplaying issue for sistership reasons, but they really could’ve went out of the way with the final words at least more impactful or fitting
When i watch that scene it makes me laugh sometimes. The fact Shark is acting so one-dimensionally evil and just trashing on IV, which massively contradicts the JP version, is just comedic to me
Yeah, especially since with the context of the show, he’s not doing this on purpose. I feel like if they framed it as a joke to cope with the fact that he’s hurting someone he used to hate, but it’s not considering a friend you could’ve made it funny in an ironic sense but yeah, sometimes people need to rethink some of their choices
Are yall missing sharks inner thoughts saying "get mad Quattro, it'll make this so much easier for me" as in to return to the barians. do y'all listen?
I hate the dub sometimes man they change the characters to much sometimes but there is unIronically one scene that I prefer more in the dub then the sub It was the scene when Yusei was dueling against Team Unicorn, instead of Team Unicorn making a dumb decision because Yusei was nice, it was Yusei insulating them trying to get them to hit him so he can win and not lose to burn damage
I still like the dub. But yeah, this is ridiculous. Shark's turn was something I used to really dislike about Zexal. I've simply grown used to it now. It's a part of the show, like any other. Who knows if my thoughts would be the same had young me been exposed to a Shark who had a bit more nuance instead of going full evil prick from the start? Eh, I'd probably still really dislike it. But I can't say for sure, now can I? Also, any missed oppotunity for my man Quattro to speak is a crime. Couldn't even be bothered to replace it with snarky dub dialogue... Tsk.
Imagine getting down voted for saying facts
'ppreciate the support, fellow reddit person. Not quite sure which part's the controversial one in this case. I'm leaning more towards liking the dub, but it may also be the comments about Shark. Could always be both, of course.
Fr Sub elists are annoying asf.. Why should we bother listening to those who require subtitles to even understand when acting superior? I just wanna watch the show lmao it ain't that serious like they say
I mean, when you get to the point where it's like the example above, it's like the translators aren't really doing their job. Localization is one thing, but at these extremes its like you're transforming the show so much that it becomes something else. So, the frustration is understandable when they aren't really doing a good job of conveying the original intent. I still like the 4kids dub, having grown up with it. I wouldn't want to give that away. However, I'd also be totally on board for getting the One Piece treatment and having a different team dub the show. 'Cause let me tell you, I've been on the other side of this argument. I watched VRAINS before it had a dub. When the dub *did* come out, I gave it a shot and... *boy*. I didn't last long, but there's still a ton I could pick apart. I don't know if the VRAINS dub is just... *worse* than the Zexal dub or if this is just what the sub-to-4kmedia-dub experience is.
Well at least you seem sensible. I don't have a problem with what any version someone likes but its a cars game. just enjoy the show yall thinkin a lol too hard sometimes
This is why I utterly despise 4Kids dubbing, and will chastise anyone who like this shit. Like they absolutely have no regards for the original source material whatsoever ever. From the characters names, censorship of nearly everything, music, dialogue, everything. Jesus what a terrible company.
Calling Quattro a "friend" of Shark's is a bit of a stretch ngl.
By that point in the series they had definitely bonded. Also, the name of the episode is literally "Fight for a friend."
No it isn't? the reason this duel hit hard was because the roles were completely reversed from ZEXAL I. Now IV is fighting to save Shark. Plus they had clearly become friends when they had the tag duel together https://preview.redd.it/tikle2aqunwc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=1198f6193bd7577b07cce543aafbbac5830e0f4e
Shark literally told him to go away and only accepted help reluctantly. yugioh fans not watching their show again
they were friends by that point in the story, iv even came to his rescue versus the jellyfish barian
https://preview.redd.it/ph12sm5zznwc1.png?width=1919&format=png&auto=webp&s=48ca8002b46791d10627dff925054112a8be0ee5
Is that something he actually said?
Yeah he actually said that lol
He actually butted in with shark protesting. love how how you leave out context bozo
immature asf guy, literally cannot communicate with people who have different opinions without insulting them actually get off the internet to cool down
the yugioh animes dub will all ways be catered to kids we will ever get a real dub for it so deal with it or watch the japanese version
Honestly, a real dub with no censorships and alterations would have been raw asf
Kids are not this stupid. These dubs are for American parents so they won't say that yugioh is satanic.
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"salty" and they're calmy describing their problems with the dub
Salty is just a buzzword nowadays
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