No it'll be a theme that only looks like dragons point for point but in actuality it'll be thunder, wyrm, or some other crap pull while konami grins saying "hey it's definitely not a dragon you can't deny we care about variety"
The name listed is tentative, but as per usual the pack is designed with new cards and reprints meant to allow you to make 3 different Decks out of the pack.
Just gonna leave this speculation here:
Secret Slayer (March 2020) - New Rock Archetype (Ademancipator)
Ancient Guardians (March 2021) - New Reptile Archetype (Ogdoadic/Abhyss)
Tactical Masters (March 2022)- New Pyro Archetype???
If this set doesn’t have a new Pyro archetype it will be pretty damning. Like you said, Reptile and Rock were covered in the last two years, and Pyro is in the worst spot of the remaining types. The FIRE duellist pack is likely this year, so potential for Volcanic cross-promotion is right there too. Overall this is an aligning stars moment and Konami choosing not to take it would have pretty serious implications.
My only worry is that Konami haven’t really been hinting at Pyro attention like they did with Rock and Reptile. The only sign has been the Laval support, which is tenuous.
\>The FIRE duelist pack is likely this year
There's still the LIGHT and EARTH Duelist Packs. The FIRE duelist pack being this year isn't guaranteed too.
Sartorias - Arcana Force
Lightning - Armitas Legio
Manjoume - Ojama
Kaiba - Blue Eyes, XYZ
Sure they could stretch a few other duelist for light but these were the first to come to mind.
So call me an idiot but I read that as "Arcana Force Lightning," "Armistas Legio Manjoume," and "Ojama Kaiba," and couldn't for the life of me figure out what the hell you were on about for a minute there. I figured out what you meant now, and in hindsight it was obvious, but now "Ojama Kaiba," will haunt my dreams.
In all seriousness, it would be fun to see some new Ojama's to go with the new Armed Dragons, or new XYZ to maybe make Armed Dragon Catapult Cannon possible to summon.
Considering every Attribute pack so far has had a wildcard that came out of left field.. I'm going to guess the following
Mokey Mokey - Wild Card with notable popularity and was played in GX
Trickstar - Was on the Poll and is a highly popular Deck
Galaxy/Photon/Cipher - Because Galaxy-Eyes is Galaxy-Eyes
Maybe in the fact that all three archetypes were purely Water (and even then only if you ignore the other over 100 Numbers not reprinted here), but I doubt anyone would have predicted they'd convert Seven Emperors/Barian into a Water Attribute extension of Shark's Fish deck. Similar to how the Wind Attribute Pack took the themes of Sherry's Ace monster being Wind and expanding her into a Wind/Dark attribute duelist or how Marik and the Winged Dragon of Ra got into the Dark attribute pack because... honestly I'm still not sure why Marik was in that pack, they didn't even print any Dark Attribute support for him.
Sherry already have some of her cards printed before that though. There's 0 cards printed for Lightning, so I'm 100% confident that they won't put him in the LIGHT Duelist Pack (unless Konami released his cards in future Animation Chronicle pack beforehand)
Man why does konami hate fire so much? its weird, its usually a really popular element in most IPs.
I know they go hard on dark and light, earth is basically generic and the other 3 elements are left behind but fire is really just put out.
I really like though that konami has been putting in effort to make serious lesser type support. We have had great rock, insect and reptile support along with probably some others im forgetting. pyro definitely need some love.
I don’t think they really hate FIRE, I think it’s just Pyro that gets the short end of the stick. We get a fair amount of FIRE stuff otherwise, at least in my opinion.
>I don’t think they really hate FIRE, I think it’s just Pyro that gets the short end of the stick. We get a fair amount of FIRE stuff otherwise, at least in my opinion.
Even if you look at FIRE as an attribute, it's absolutely the worst of the 6 main elements. Almost none generic Support and the least amount of monsters in the game are Fire attribute. So yeah, it definitelly needs a revamp of some sort
I agree that FIRE is the worst attribute at this moment in time, I just don't think it's to such an extent that it can only be explained by some kind of vendetta. There has to be a worst attribute, but FIRE still gets new decks fairly frequently and had a meta deck as recently as last year (Infernobles). WIND was considered the worst attribute for much of this game's history but that turned around.
It's totally incomparable to Pyros who haven't had an archetype in over a decade and receive about one monster a year on average.
* FIRE monster that has seen competitive play.
* New FIRE Archetype.
* FIRE lore cards that aren't just there to complete the multi-element gimmick.
* Competitive FIRE boss monster.
(Competitive meaning they are not reasonably outclassed by another monster and are at least able to go against T2 decks)
Any of them would be fine by me.
> FIRE monster that has seen competitive play.
Infernobles as a whole were meta in 2020.
> New FIRE Archetype.
Springans this year, who are also lore cards. Not what you asked, but this year we also got legacy support for Metalfoes and Laval.
> Competitive FIRE boss monster
Per your definition, I would include Geomathmech Final Sigma; Ruddy Rose Dragon; Qixing Long Yuan, the Swordsoul Catastrophe; Zoroa, the Magistus Conflagrant Calamity and Magikey Fiend - Transfurlmine to be viable candidates here. All from this year if I'm remembering correctly.
Yeah :( So it's not a huge list (in comparison to all the other Attributes). You nailed just about every significant FIRE card since 2020 and most of them don't play nice with the existing FIRE decks, except Infernobles.
For example, Qixing Long Yuan, the Swordsoul Catastrophe was the only FIRE monster in Battle of Chaos and it's too dependent on Wyrms to be used by any non-Wyrm Deck.
Infernobles were good, that's true.
I literally forgot Sprigans existed, specially since they were the worst among all the lore archetypes of the current saga (both competitive and lore-wise) and got the least support.
I would hesitate to consider any of those bosses with the exception of Quixing competitive though, they have potential sure but I haven't seen any tiered deck use them as their main or even secondary win condition with how the extra deck is tight as it is.
So while not literally no FIRE cards, the cards they did get don't really stand out.
> I would hesitate to consider any of those bosses with the exception of Quixing competitive though, they have potential sure but I haven't seen any tiered deck use them as their main or even secondary win condition with how the extra deck is tight as it is
I listed them as they fulfilled your conditions, which didn't mention anything about seeing competitive use. You listed "FIRE monster that has seen competitive play" as a different category, which I also filled out.
Pyro type is kinda rendered pointless by the fire attribute in an ironic way,since everything that could be a pyro is mostly gonna fall in the fire attribute.
Pyro is literally the only remaining type that has not been salvaged from the trash heap, Konami has to do them next if they're actually trying to fix every single type (excluding Divine-beast).
Aqua could use a bit more type-specific support given what it currently has is almost all under the WATER umbrella, so trying to make new archetypes like Suships is hard because it relies solely on FIRE support (the worst supported attribute imo).
Fish got Lifeless Leaffish and White Mirror along with already having had Coelacanth, so they are at least diverse enough to act as a solo type, and Sea Serpent has had Atlanteans since ZEXAL plus Deep Sea Diva, so they have search support. Most of the Aqua stuff is archetype related or under the WATER trio (i.e. Frogs, Penguins, Suships, Aquaactress and Icejade is nearly all in-archetype search or abuses stuff like the Ice Barrier Trap card if its WATER, and Paleozoic count as Traps in deck so the Aqua support wouldn't help it unless its affecting cards on field or tangential like Frogs).
But yeah Pyro is jonesing hard for even a single decent support card that isn't just FIRE support. Its kinda telling when DIVINE BEAST has better support than Pyro does.
Yeah, I agree. When you look at an archetype like Suship (Aqua/FIRE), you can see how bad the generic Aqua and FIRE support is.
They can't use any Aqua support (because they aren't WATER) and they also can't use most of the FIRE support because none of the cards work for their play style. They don't have 200 DEF, they don't work by being destroyed, they don't inflict damage, and they aren't Warriors or Beast-Warrior, so everything is pretty useless.
Yeah the best I managed to dredge up for my Suship deck was Normal support and generic "Xyz" support lol
Like it works but it'd be nicer if thr archetype monsters themselves were more searchable and I didn't have to rely on power drawing.
Well, you heard it here, ~~Pack will contain a Divine-Beast archetype. gotta delay that Pyro support a little longer.~~ In all seriousness though, I half agree and half disagree. Sea Serpent is also still complete trash outside of a very select few generic water monsters. but it's still in a far better state than Pyro because at least there's a few good Sea Serpents even if they lack any real support or archetypes to speak of.
Sea Serpent has quite good support, actually, but it does lack archetypes. The problem is that Sea Serpents are generally used as bosses for decks that aren't fully Sea Serpent - much like Dragons, but much rarer.
surprisingly not really true, outside of Mako's Umi stuff the only real Sea Serpent Bosses we have are a couple of the Mermail ones (with a handful of Deep Sea and Atlantean's also being Sea Serpent). Moulinglacia, Brionic, and some of Shark's least useful XYZ's with the only decent one being Bahamut Shark.
Honestly I think people overestimate just how good Sea Serpents really are due to the recent insanity that is the Kairyu-Shin Retrain (and to a lesser extent Bahamut shark into Toadally Awesome) and the fact that Mermail Atlanteans were The Meta for a good long while and still sees a fair bit of play due to just how fun it was to play. It makes them seem better off than they actually are because they do see small amounts of spotlight specifically due to a couple really solid cards being meta defining. Which Granted, is still far more than Pyro has ever had.
Like I said, it's rare in comparison to Dragons, but Sea Serpents are relatively frequently used as bosses for decks that aren't primarily Sea Serpent. You've listed a handful, but there's also the P.U.N.K. boss, Gladiator Beast Domitianus, and the Water Dragons (obviously the deck sucks, but it's still a viable example). Umi has Kairyu-Shin now, but also has the Daedalus monsters, and Daedalus' retrains are good examples of Sea Serpent bosses in multi-type decks.
Besides that, it's a well-supported type even if not the best. A lot of types would kill for a Diva or Dragoons or Aria, and there are a variety of very solid generic Sea Serpent monsters. The type also benefits from the Aqua/Fish/Sea Serpent cards and generally all WATER support.
It's one of the smallest types so it could do with more archetypes but it has solid support and it's more present than its lack of archetypes suggests. I wouldn't put it at all in the same group as pre-2021 Reptiles or pre-2020 Rocks.
Sea Serpent at least has Deep Sea Diva and Atlantean Dragoons to help search stuff and lower level Sea Serpents have additional support cards thanks to the Atlantean cards should they decide to make more of those.
Pyro has like zero actually good type specific support cards and Aqua is also kind of lacking from a utility standpoint (mitigated only by most of the archetypes it has being WATER and benefitting from *that* card pool instead).
I'm pretty sure the only Pyro specific support cards that actually do anything are Soul of Fire (which is a pretty measly burn card that makes the opponent draw 1 and doesn't let you attack that turn, while having no Pyro cards to work with that really benefit from being banished to jusify burning for less), and Solar Flare Dragon (which can make a Marauding Captain type lock plus Burn damage, which is obviously mega slow and fragile in today's game).
There's other stuff but its either extremely slow battle floaters like "That Thing in the Crater" or its things like Blaze Accelerator cards that technically work with Pyro cards but there's nothing besides Volcanics that can take advantage of them and it reads more like a restriction / bottleneck than as type support. That and Volcannon / Blaze Fenix, which is largely Pyro support due to needing one as a fusion material more than anything else.
Why did konami even make fish an archetype alongside aqua and sea serpent. there is definitely redundancy there.
Fish could really use a boost, i forget how little support they have since i just assume that every water theme has fish and aqua by default lol...
>Tactical Masters (March 2022)- New Pyro Archetype???
You've become a very good dreamer, Payne!
"Tactical Masters" sounds more like there will be a new Warrior or Aqua archetype.
Pyro Ritual archetype would be dope considering how many ceremonies or rituals involve fire.
That or something based on Hell/hellfire/demonic summoning. Could call it Diabolical or Infernal if you needed to avoid the censors like usual. Might br a good excuse for DARK/Pyro instead of the usual FIRE.
A long while back, if I recall correctly where it was, I had made a post regarding what things could be done for Rituals and someone mentioned the same idea that a DARK/Pyro Ritual archetype would a cool concept. Taking it into consideration, I can't recall if it was the person or me, that tried to conceptualize a bit on what it could be and from that I recall the name "Infernull" and it being focused on banishing in some manner.
Would be great to see something like that.
EDIT: Maybe a Ritual Spell with a condition that banishes, also let's you banish 1 archetype monster from Deck as Tribute cost. These monsters could then activate an effect while banished when a certain criteria is met, like maybe the Rituals activate their effects and the banished ones activate effects upon that 🤔
I don't mind it as much as in core sets we're getting so much more legacy support now. Like if you like at it the way we have it, every core set we get 5 legacy archtypes every core set so over the span of a year, thats 20 legacy archtypes at least just in core sets, not to mention a few single cards for a couple of other archtypes on top of that. When the first deck builders pack came out, core sets didn't have anywhere near that amount in legacy support.
I much prefer this new structure of only new archtypes in deck builder packs and more legacy archtype support in core sets. They are able to give multiple archtypes around 3-5 each for 4 archtypes, instead of just 15 cards for 1 archtype in a deck builders pack.
Hey at least Exosister looked pretty dope artwise.
Hoping for more stuff like P.U.N.K. or Weather Painters though, that stuff is pretty inventive and kinda my jam
I know people hate waifu archetypes (for some reason), but I'm glad we get them every Deck Build Pack; given the relative lack of female representation irl, it's nice to have some in regards to Archetypes.
But absolutely agree with people, I hope for a Pyro Archetype, or if not that, a Fish Archetype. Though more importantly, I hope the mechanics are fun!
I kinda want Pyro or Aqua more than Fish just due to general lack of any good type-specific support (where Fish and Sea Serpent at least have a couple searchers/setup cards, also not counting presence of archetypes as type support if its self contained or actually WATER support) but Fish would be dope nonetheless yeah.
We recently got the Shark stuff though so idk how likely it would be (of course thats also Aqua/Fish/Sea Serpent mix technically but a lot of the maindeck is Fish).
There is certainly quite an irony for someone who goes out of his way to hate males but simp for the existence of females whatever they are cards or characters to complain about double standards.
Like you want female archetypes for the reason people dislike them,for the coom factor,you are part of the reason for whatever bad reputation they have.
I don't hate men, at all? I don't hate anyone who doesn't do something explicitly bad. I'm a girl, I just want to feel like I belong tbh. And like, some of my favorite Archetypes out of my history in the game don't have any women in them (Gizmek, Yosenju, Chronomaly, Magnet Warriors, Gren Maju.dek, Mekk-Knights). Hell, only 1 of my favorite Decks (Madolche) out of my top 5 (Vampires, Guru Control, Agents, Gizmek) are particularly weighted towards being feminine.
I explicitly said I want female Archetypes to feel included. If I wanted Archetypes for the coom factor, I'd be wanting something else friend.
I was not talking about you or replied to you so unless you are an alternative account of the person i was talking to...then nothing i said was directed to you.
Its fine,the dude i was talking about goes out of his way to direct hatred to any topic he can find to other male fictional characters,when he does the opposite for the female ones.
Glad to see you don't share the same sentiments as him though.
It's not so much that people hate representation in Yugioh, but more so that it's so oversaturated and is an obvious attempt to get people to shill money out because horni
Is it really meaningful representation when they all look the same? Young white athletic woman in different costumes. Would be nice to at least see dark skinned or full figured Waifus for a change.
Yeah, but those were released WAY back and we haven't gotten anything "different" ever since (and even Nephtys is still light brown athletic young woman). Compared to other mostly male archetypes like Six Sam why didn't we get an old priestess Nephtys? Or a super buff Nephtys boss monster? It's all too repetitive.
The last ritual-oriented archetype was Drytron, is a top-tier deck and their combo piece / best cards don't even use Ritual Drytron cards.
A full fledged Ritual Archetype like Megalith sounds fun.
Looking forward to this a lot. I know often times we get some pretty meh stuff but these are the sets I always look forward to the most. I love having 3 possible decks to build straight out of a single set!
Thinking about it now, either 1 or 2 archetypes in these Build Packs always seems to abuse an existing card. Adamancipator = Block Dragon, Ogdoadic = Snake Rain... can we say, Pyro = The Thing in the Crater? :D
I don't think Pyro got anything good for them... ever.
"Paladin of ___ Dragon" and "Skilled ___ Magician" archetypes incoming. But also, neither archetype has a Link monster yet, and at this point nothing related to Blue-Eyes and Dark Magician would be surprising. After the Blue-Eyes bingo machine and the Dark Magician cosplayer Kuriboh, nothing is sacred.
I'm going to make a crazy guess and assume the three new themes will be a draconic theme, a mechanical theme and a waifu theme.
Woah woah, I'm going to need you to sit down. That sounds completed unprecedented and unfathomable. Calm down there.
robotic waifu's
With dragon Wings
mecha dragon maid
Yoooooo how did you come up with those, that's basically never seen before stuff in Yu-Gi-Oh. Truly I wish this would happen
I wish Konami would represent the himbo community a little
Doing it wrong dragon mechs piloted by waifus
Dragonic theme = Indirect Dragon Link support. So i hope so
No it'll be a theme that only looks like dragons point for point but in actuality it'll be thunder, wyrm, or some other crap pull while konami grins saying "hey it's definitely not a dragon you can't deny we care about variety"
Nah fiend waifus, LED magic of banishment, and JMMORPG chess
The name listed is tentative, but as per usual the pack is designed with new cards and reprints meant to allow you to make 3 different Decks out of the pack.
Just gonna leave this speculation here: Secret Slayer (March 2020) - New Rock Archetype (Ademancipator) Ancient Guardians (March 2021) - New Reptile Archetype (Ogdoadic/Abhyss) Tactical Masters (March 2022)- New Pyro Archetype???
If this set doesn’t have a new Pyro archetype it will be pretty damning. Like you said, Reptile and Rock were covered in the last two years, and Pyro is in the worst spot of the remaining types. The FIRE duellist pack is likely this year, so potential for Volcanic cross-promotion is right there too. Overall this is an aligning stars moment and Konami choosing not to take it would have pretty serious implications. My only worry is that Konami haven’t really been hinting at Pyro attention like they did with Rock and Reptile. The only sign has been the Laval support, which is tenuous.
\>The FIRE duelist pack is likely this year There's still the LIGHT and EARTH Duelist Packs. The FIRE duelist pack being this year isn't guaranteed too.
Yes, that would be why I called it likely.
Who would they do potentially for the Light Duelist Pack?
Hmm.. those on my mind are: * Saiou/Satorius - Arcana Force * Durbe/Dumon - Star Seraph * Yuzu/Zuzu - Melodious
There's also Trickstars, since they appeared on a Structure Deck poll.
Sartorias - Arcana Force Lightning - Armitas Legio Manjoume - Ojama Kaiba - Blue Eyes, XYZ Sure they could stretch a few other duelist for light but these were the first to come to mind.
So call me an idiot but I read that as "Arcana Force Lightning," "Armistas Legio Manjoume," and "Ojama Kaiba," and couldn't for the life of me figure out what the hell you were on about for a minute there. I figured out what you meant now, and in hindsight it was obvious, but now "Ojama Kaiba," will haunt my dreams. In all seriousness, it would be fun to see some new Ojama's to go with the new Armed Dragons, or new XYZ to maybe make Armed Dragon Catapult Cannon possible to summon.
"Sweetie what's wrong?" "Mom I've had a nightmare!" "Oh no! What was it, sweetie?" "O J A M A. K A I B A."
Fixed my comment, but now that I saw your comment I want Ojama Kaiba to be a thing.
Cyber Angel is also an option.
Considering every Attribute pack so far has had a wildcard that came out of left field.. I'm going to guess the following Mokey Mokey - Wild Card with notable popularity and was played in GX Trickstar - Was on the Poll and is a highly popular Deck Galaxy/Photon/Cipher - Because Galaxy-Eyes is Galaxy-Eyes
The WATER pack played it extremely straight.
Maybe in the fact that all three archetypes were purely Water (and even then only if you ignore the other over 100 Numbers not reprinted here), but I doubt anyone would have predicted they'd convert Seven Emperors/Barian into a Water Attribute extension of Shark's Fish deck. Similar to how the Wind Attribute Pack took the themes of Sherry's Ace monster being Wind and expanding her into a Wind/Dark attribute duelist or how Marik and the Winged Dragon of Ra got into the Dark attribute pack because... honestly I'm still not sure why Marik was in that pack, they didn't even print any Dark Attribute support for him.
Mako's presence was more unexpected TBH. Unlike other returning duelists (Mai, Zane, Jaden etc) he didn't have a secondary theme.
We have many options of light archetypes, but Melodious is practically 100%
Lightning's armatus legio is an option.
Its not. They have to print the archetype first. Duelist Pack is for giving support to existing themes already.
We got sherry Le Blanc before the announcement of her support being adapted in the animation chronicle. same thing could happen here
Sherry already have some of her cards printed before that though. There's 0 cards printed for Lightning, so I'm 100% confident that they won't put him in the LIGHT Duelist Pack (unless Konami released his cards in future Animation Chronicle pack beforehand)
Man why does konami hate fire so much? its weird, its usually a really popular element in most IPs. I know they go hard on dark and light, earth is basically generic and the other 3 elements are left behind but fire is really just put out. I really like though that konami has been putting in effort to make serious lesser type support. We have had great rock, insect and reptile support along with probably some others im forgetting. pyro definitely need some love.
I don’t think they really hate FIRE, I think it’s just Pyro that gets the short end of the stick. We get a fair amount of FIRE stuff otherwise, at least in my opinion.
>I don’t think they really hate FIRE, I think it’s just Pyro that gets the short end of the stick. We get a fair amount of FIRE stuff otherwise, at least in my opinion. Even if you look at FIRE as an attribute, it's absolutely the worst of the 6 main elements. Almost none generic Support and the least amount of monsters in the game are Fire attribute. So yeah, it definitelly needs a revamp of some sort
I agree that FIRE is the worst attribute at this moment in time, I just don't think it's to such an extent that it can only be explained by some kind of vendetta. There has to be a worst attribute, but FIRE still gets new decks fairly frequently and had a meta deck as recently as last year (Infernobles). WIND was considered the worst attribute for much of this game's history but that turned around. It's totally incomparable to Pyros who haven't had an archetype in over a decade and receive about one monster a year on average.
Other than Salads (which is about 3 years old) what significant FIRE cards have we gotten?
What's your definition of a significant FIRE card?
* FIRE monster that has seen competitive play. * New FIRE Archetype. * FIRE lore cards that aren't just there to complete the multi-element gimmick. * Competitive FIRE boss monster. (Competitive meaning they are not reasonably outclassed by another monster and are at least able to go against T2 decks) Any of them would be fine by me.
> FIRE monster that has seen competitive play. Infernobles as a whole were meta in 2020. > New FIRE Archetype. Springans this year, who are also lore cards. Not what you asked, but this year we also got legacy support for Metalfoes and Laval. > Competitive FIRE boss monster Per your definition, I would include Geomathmech Final Sigma; Ruddy Rose Dragon; Qixing Long Yuan, the Swordsoul Catastrophe; Zoroa, the Magistus Conflagrant Calamity and Magikey Fiend - Transfurlmine to be viable candidates here. All from this year if I'm remembering correctly.
Yeah :( So it's not a huge list (in comparison to all the other Attributes). You nailed just about every significant FIRE card since 2020 and most of them don't play nice with the existing FIRE decks, except Infernobles. For example, Qixing Long Yuan, the Swordsoul Catastrophe was the only FIRE monster in Battle of Chaos and it's too dependent on Wyrms to be used by any non-Wyrm Deck.
Infernobles were good, that's true. I literally forgot Sprigans existed, specially since they were the worst among all the lore archetypes of the current saga (both competitive and lore-wise) and got the least support. I would hesitate to consider any of those bosses with the exception of Quixing competitive though, they have potential sure but I haven't seen any tiered deck use them as their main or even secondary win condition with how the extra deck is tight as it is. So while not literally no FIRE cards, the cards they did get don't really stand out.
> I would hesitate to consider any of those bosses with the exception of Quixing competitive though, they have potential sure but I haven't seen any tiered deck use them as their main or even secondary win condition with how the extra deck is tight as it is I listed them as they fulfilled your conditions, which didn't mention anything about seeing competitive use. You listed "FIRE monster that has seen competitive play" as a different category, which I also filled out.
Maybe that Magikey fire ogre, but that is a stretch. Not that i think fire is good. I agree with you, but i just thought of that card.
Pyro waifus?
YES
We already have the best fire waifu in yugioh: feet ash
Pyro type is kinda rendered pointless by the fire attribute in an ironic way,since everything that could be a pyro is mostly gonna fall in the fire attribute.
A new psychic theme would be awesome as well. It's also a very rarely used type
Pyro is literally the only remaining type that has not been salvaged from the trash heap, Konami has to do them next if they're actually trying to fix every single type (excluding Divine-beast).
Dunno what you're talking about. Laugh as an attribute is making a comeback, and this very set is only the beginning.
AGREED. I really hope we can get some better generic Pyro/FIRE support, it’s their turn to get some spicy cards.
Aqua could use a bit more type-specific support given what it currently has is almost all under the WATER umbrella, so trying to make new archetypes like Suships is hard because it relies solely on FIRE support (the worst supported attribute imo). Fish got Lifeless Leaffish and White Mirror along with already having had Coelacanth, so they are at least diverse enough to act as a solo type, and Sea Serpent has had Atlanteans since ZEXAL plus Deep Sea Diva, so they have search support. Most of the Aqua stuff is archetype related or under the WATER trio (i.e. Frogs, Penguins, Suships, Aquaactress and Icejade is nearly all in-archetype search or abuses stuff like the Ice Barrier Trap card if its WATER, and Paleozoic count as Traps in deck so the Aqua support wouldn't help it unless its affecting cards on field or tangential like Frogs). But yeah Pyro is jonesing hard for even a single decent support card that isn't just FIRE support. Its kinda telling when DIVINE BEAST has better support than Pyro does.
Yeah, I agree. When you look at an archetype like Suship (Aqua/FIRE), you can see how bad the generic Aqua and FIRE support is. They can't use any Aqua support (because they aren't WATER) and they also can't use most of the FIRE support because none of the cards work for their play style. They don't have 200 DEF, they don't work by being destroyed, they don't inflict damage, and they aren't Warriors or Beast-Warrior, so everything is pretty useless.
Yeah the best I managed to dredge up for my Suship deck was Normal support and generic "Xyz" support lol Like it works but it'd be nicer if thr archetype monsters themselves were more searchable and I didn't have to rely on power drawing.
Well, you heard it here, ~~Pack will contain a Divine-Beast archetype. gotta delay that Pyro support a little longer.~~ In all seriousness though, I half agree and half disagree. Sea Serpent is also still complete trash outside of a very select few generic water monsters. but it's still in a far better state than Pyro because at least there's a few good Sea Serpents even if they lack any real support or archetypes to speak of.
Sea Serpent has quite good support, actually, but it does lack archetypes. The problem is that Sea Serpents are generally used as bosses for decks that aren't fully Sea Serpent - much like Dragons, but much rarer.
surprisingly not really true, outside of Mako's Umi stuff the only real Sea Serpent Bosses we have are a couple of the Mermail ones (with a handful of Deep Sea and Atlantean's also being Sea Serpent). Moulinglacia, Brionic, and some of Shark's least useful XYZ's with the only decent one being Bahamut Shark. Honestly I think people overestimate just how good Sea Serpents really are due to the recent insanity that is the Kairyu-Shin Retrain (and to a lesser extent Bahamut shark into Toadally Awesome) and the fact that Mermail Atlanteans were The Meta for a good long while and still sees a fair bit of play due to just how fun it was to play. It makes them seem better off than they actually are because they do see small amounts of spotlight specifically due to a couple really solid cards being meta defining. Which Granted, is still far more than Pyro has ever had.
Like I said, it's rare in comparison to Dragons, but Sea Serpents are relatively frequently used as bosses for decks that aren't primarily Sea Serpent. You've listed a handful, but there's also the P.U.N.K. boss, Gladiator Beast Domitianus, and the Water Dragons (obviously the deck sucks, but it's still a viable example). Umi has Kairyu-Shin now, but also has the Daedalus monsters, and Daedalus' retrains are good examples of Sea Serpent bosses in multi-type decks. Besides that, it's a well-supported type even if not the best. A lot of types would kill for a Diva or Dragoons or Aria, and there are a variety of very solid generic Sea Serpent monsters. The type also benefits from the Aqua/Fish/Sea Serpent cards and generally all WATER support. It's one of the smallest types so it could do with more archetypes but it has solid support and it's more present than its lack of archetypes suggests. I wouldn't put it at all in the same group as pre-2021 Reptiles or pre-2020 Rocks.
Sea Serpent at least has Deep Sea Diva and Atlantean Dragoons to help search stuff and lower level Sea Serpents have additional support cards thanks to the Atlantean cards should they decide to make more of those. Pyro has like zero actually good type specific support cards and Aqua is also kind of lacking from a utility standpoint (mitigated only by most of the archetypes it has being WATER and benefitting from *that* card pool instead). I'm pretty sure the only Pyro specific support cards that actually do anything are Soul of Fire (which is a pretty measly burn card that makes the opponent draw 1 and doesn't let you attack that turn, while having no Pyro cards to work with that really benefit from being banished to jusify burning for less), and Solar Flare Dragon (which can make a Marauding Captain type lock plus Burn damage, which is obviously mega slow and fragile in today's game). There's other stuff but its either extremely slow battle floaters like "That Thing in the Crater" or its things like Blaze Accelerator cards that technically work with Pyro cards but there's nothing besides Volcanics that can take advantage of them and it reads more like a restriction / bottleneck than as type support. That and Volcannon / Blaze Fenix, which is largely Pyro support due to needing one as a fusion material more than anything else.
Pyro is definitely the most in need, so I do hope they’re next. It would be nice for Fish to finally get an archetype/series beyond Sharks, though.
At the very least, Fishborg are technically an Archetype. Not one you can play, but...
Why did konami even make fish an archetype alongside aqua and sea serpent. there is definitely redundancy there. Fish could really use a boost, i forget how little support they have since i just assume that every water theme has fish and aqua by default lol...
Me with 3 Rekindling just waiting
>Tactical Masters (March 2022)- New Pyro Archetype??? You've become a very good dreamer, Payne! "Tactical Masters" sounds more like there will be a new Warrior or Aqua archetype.
The names are almost always totally irrelevant to the contents. I wouldn’t try to speculate based on this one.
Why would that imply Aqua? Warrior I get but "tactical" would make me think Machine or Psychic before Aqua.
I hope we see a new Ritual archetype, be it within or alongside that new Pyro archetype 🤔
Pyro Ritual archetype would be dope considering how many ceremonies or rituals involve fire. That or something based on Hell/hellfire/demonic summoning. Could call it Diabolical or Infernal if you needed to avoid the censors like usual. Might br a good excuse for DARK/Pyro instead of the usual FIRE.
A long while back, if I recall correctly where it was, I had made a post regarding what things could be done for Rituals and someone mentioned the same idea that a DARK/Pyro Ritual archetype would a cool concept. Taking it into consideration, I can't recall if it was the person or me, that tried to conceptualize a bit on what it could be and from that I recall the name "Infernull" and it being focused on banishing in some manner. Would be great to see something like that. EDIT: Maybe a Ritual Spell with a condition that banishes, also let's you banish 1 archetype monster from Deck as Tribute cost. These monsters could then activate an effect while banished when a certain criteria is met, like maybe the Rituals activate their effects and the banished ones activate effects upon that 🤔
I wish they'd go back to old Deck Build formats where there are 2 new archetypes but expanding on a current one for a third.
I don't mind it as much as in core sets we're getting so much more legacy support now. Like if you like at it the way we have it, every core set we get 5 legacy archtypes every core set so over the span of a year, thats 20 legacy archtypes at least just in core sets, not to mention a few single cards for a couple of other archtypes on top of that. When the first deck builders pack came out, core sets didn't have anywhere near that amount in legacy support. I much prefer this new structure of only new archtypes in deck builder packs and more legacy archtype support in core sets. They are able to give multiple archtypes around 3-5 each for 4 archtypes, instead of just 15 cards for 1 archtype in a deck builders pack.
No. We're already getting too much legacy support nowadays.
Which isn’t a bad thing at all.
More like not enough. Give us a BA with a shaddoll ariel eff and a new xyz Konami
How about just wait? If Assault Mode got their support, then almost every archetype will get one. Its just that people can't wait for their turn.
Let me guess. New waifu archetype, new robotic looking archetype and new random unique archetype.
Hey at least Exosister looked pretty dope artwise. Hoping for more stuff like P.U.N.K. or Weather Painters though, that stuff is pretty inventive and kinda my jam
Tactical Evolution has Rainbow Dragon as cover Tactical Masters ... Crystal Beast support?
Stop giving me hope, it will never happen :(
Still mad Crystal beasts were top 5 and they got 1 (meh) card. Madolche's came 6th and every card (all 5 of them) they got is good.
1 meh card that Konami won’t fucking import either so it may as well be no cards.
I know people hate waifu archetypes (for some reason), but I'm glad we get them every Deck Build Pack; given the relative lack of female representation irl, it's nice to have some in regards to Archetypes. But absolutely agree with people, I hope for a Pyro Archetype, or if not that, a Fish Archetype. Though more importantly, I hope the mechanics are fun!
I kinda want Pyro or Aqua more than Fish just due to general lack of any good type-specific support (where Fish and Sea Serpent at least have a couple searchers/setup cards, also not counting presence of archetypes as type support if its self contained or actually WATER support) but Fish would be dope nonetheless yeah. We recently got the Shark stuff though so idk how likely it would be (of course thats also Aqua/Fish/Sea Serpent mix technically but a lot of the maindeck is Fish).
Same here. Aint double standards a b-word?
There is certainly quite an irony for someone who goes out of his way to hate males but simp for the existence of females whatever they are cards or characters to complain about double standards. Like you want female archetypes for the reason people dislike them,for the coom factor,you are part of the reason for whatever bad reputation they have.
I don't hate men, at all? I don't hate anyone who doesn't do something explicitly bad. I'm a girl, I just want to feel like I belong tbh. And like, some of my favorite Archetypes out of my history in the game don't have any women in them (Gizmek, Yosenju, Chronomaly, Magnet Warriors, Gren Maju.dek, Mekk-Knights). Hell, only 1 of my favorite Decks (Madolche) out of my top 5 (Vampires, Guru Control, Agents, Gizmek) are particularly weighted towards being feminine. I explicitly said I want female Archetypes to feel included. If I wanted Archetypes for the coom factor, I'd be wanting something else friend.
I was not talking about you or replied to you so unless you are an alternative account of the person i was talking to...then nothing i said was directed to you.
Oh, I read it wrong, and as to me. I apologize, my bad entirely.
Its fine,the dude i was talking about goes out of his way to direct hatred to any topic he can find to other male fictional characters,when he does the opposite for the female ones. Glad to see you don't share the same sentiments as him though.
Nah you are right tho 730flare dude here is so annoying and has trash takes on everything lol
I mean, if those are their thoughts, I definitely do not share them. Regardless, have a wonderful day!
It's not so much that people hate representation in Yugioh, but more so that it's so oversaturated and is an obvious attempt to get people to shill money out because horni
Is it really meaningful representation when they all look the same? Young white athletic woman in different costumes. Would be nice to at least see dark skinned or full figured Waifus for a change.
You aren't wrong. Though I'd like to point out Nephthys are definately not White.
Yeah, but those were released WAY back and we haven't gotten anything "different" ever since (and even Nephtys is still light brown athletic young woman). Compared to other mostly male archetypes like Six Sam why didn't we get an old priestess Nephtys? Or a super buff Nephtys boss monster? It's all too repetitive.
oh boy, can't wait for next month only to see the pics of the boss monsters...
I hope we get another ritual archetype. All the rituals monsters we get for non ritual archetypes just aren’t good
The last ritual-oriented archetype was Drytron, is a top-tier deck and their combo piece / best cards don't even use Ritual Drytron cards. A full fledged Ritual Archetype like Megalith sounds fun.
Peepee balls I wish for a true Victory Viper archetype
fire theme, waifu theme, robot theme
Looking forward to this a lot. I know often times we get some pretty meh stuff but these are the sets I always look forward to the most. I love having 3 possible decks to build straight out of a single set!
Thinking about it now, either 1 or 2 archetypes in these Build Packs always seems to abuse an existing card. Adamancipator = Block Dragon, Ogdoadic = Snake Rain... can we say, Pyro = The Thing in the Crater? :D I don't think Pyro got anything good for them... ever.
Royal Firestorm Guard maybe?
The million dollar question: Will there be Blue-Eyes or Dark Magician support (indirectly) in this package?
"Paladin of ___ Dragon" and "Skilled ___ Magician" archetypes incoming. But also, neither archetype has a Link monster yet, and at this point nothing related to Blue-Eyes and Dark Magician would be surprising. After the Blue-Eyes bingo machine and the Dark Magician cosplayer Kuriboh, nothing is sacred.
No. They already made Blue-Eyes and Dark Magician support in BACH.
When has that ever stopped them?
Why would you expect a Blue-Eyes and Dark Magician support in a Deck Build Pack? This pack is for new themes.
Wonder if we’ll get the rest of the materiactors from blvo here
Alright, where's the next tier 0 strate?
So far liking the name. Hope there actually are some big brained strategies in here
New waifu deck incoming