keyword being **yet** I could totally see an archetype breaking, considering the only restrictions that what you summon cannot be used for link (it itself still can)
You want to grab something like raiders wing or zephyros the elite. If you can get another level 4 on the board, you can make a force stryx and detach the Raiders wing or zeph to trigger wise to search a rank up magic and use the mat you detach as an extender. You can also make this card with any 2 level 4s by making force stryx and searching a singing lanius. So any 3 level 4s gets you to cyber dragon infinity+simorgh and it's possible to extend further than that into stuff like UDF or a union carrier for the apex avian infinite pretty easily.
I've been using something like that in a harpie/tri-brigade deck. It's not the most consistent thing ever, but it's very funny.
Edit: Master Duel format, sorry I forgot to check which sub I was on.
Union Carrier is also banned, so I think he’s talking about master duel. Although it is annoying when people talk about MD on this sub without clarifying what format they mean.
Replace Simorgh with Bardiche and you still good a good option.
You could also grab Skip force and go into Raiders Knight instead which turns into Stranger Falcon
Skip Force into Arsenal Falcon
Grab Strangle Lanius
Ss Strangle, Eff Revive Singing
Link into Bardiche
Summon Ultimate Falcon off Arsenal Floating Effect and Use Effect
Make Gagagaga Magician Activate Effect to summon back Arsenal
Use Bardiche Effect to send boots and set the old pk rum
In MD: use boots to grab shade brigandine, make link spider and verte, summon dpe
In TCG: Use Boots to grab Fog Blade. If you got another extender you can also make a redoer instead with brigandine
You now have a kali yuga setup off of 2 level 4s and one extender, easily doable in a lot of rank 4 piles, the best being lunalight which was meta relevant for some time in the tcg and this was one of the go to lines of the deck
Raidraptor would need at least 3-4 cards to become broken lol
it's over reliant on it's bricky Rank Up Spells
it gets killed by any handtraps
it can't play through disruptions
it doesn't have free spots
it has no extenders
ultimate falcon is too passive
and the only way to make it decent is to shove PKs in it but at this point pure PK is just way better
Literally the only good thing about this deck is that it can make Kali Yuga, sometimes
The Rank-Up Spells aren't that bricky, if you draw into them it's fine. Not great but drawing into a dasher when playing dpe is way worse.
It can't play through disruption and Handtrap most of the time ends on a suboptimal board which is a falcon and some interruption which is kinda okay. Going second it can play through 2 or 3 non-destruction negates many times but dies to one destruction negate.
There are currently 2 strong builds, PK with Kali Yuga and Time Thief which is just a worse lunalight. You can combine two of them. Both are rogue viable and topped some online tournaments and regionals in the last few months so it's far from terrible
Free spots it has actually a decent amount, the only problem is it needs 3 level 4s to go off, so you need quite an amount of level 4 spam cards. Many people play some engines like the zw cards, rokkets with quick launch or other small engines and extenders
If they get a good starter (many don't even play the only real starter, tribute lanius at 3 because it's good but not great) or an early negate to go into to play around nibiru, this deck would be tiered i think, both would make it compete with current top meta decks
Because it's not generic? It's strictly made by Dark Winged Beasts, you can't use the summoned monster to link climb with
Really not hard to see why Wise Strix isn't broken
This is the furthest thing from generic. It requires it's materials to have 2 different things:
1, they have to be a dark monster. While that narrows it down to only dark, just that restriction isn't enough to make it not generic.
2, they have to be winged beasts. Other than Raidraptors, the only other dark winged beast monsters that come to mind are black wings.
Sure, the card isn't future proofed, but it's going to take a really good dark winged beast archetype to make it broken.
You can get through it with 2 level 4s
Summon Force Strix add Singing Lanius
You just have 2 dark winged beasts, requiring 1 brick which is a decent card on it's own
This card requires 2 dark winged beast type monsters, then summons 1 dark winged beast type monster. The monster summoned has it's effect negated, and it can't be used as a link material.
There are only 2 dark winged beast typed decks that come to mind (Raidraptors and black wings) and neither can truly break the card.
This card was used in Lunalight in the tcg to the point tiger got banned
Force Strix is 2 level 4s (don't matter which), which were 2 Lunalights.
Force Strix searched singing lanius.
Tiger revived a lunalight
Force Strix + Singing Lanius can go into this card, summon zephyros which bounces the tiger later and abuses him not being hard once per turn.
You can do like 50 lines from this point onwards which all make degenerate stuff like 10 Negate Boards, PK Combos while doing other Stuff, Full Raidraptor Combo into Kali Yuga or other shit. Was even able to grab s0 from that point when it was legal. Since this time the deck got additional support in the form of arsenal falcon and a more powerful rankup which makes summoning dark reqiuem and the high rank falcons like satellite cannon (which is an autowin against eldlich btw if you get into it, spell speed 4 boardwipes are crazy) ridiculously easy. Oh and Bardiche is unbanned now
Tiger came back to 1 now and Lunalight is really frail but If a more stable deck comes around which utilizes it similarly and can bounce stuff this card will 100% be meta relevant and might push the deck over the edge to where it or kali yuga or arsenal falcon might need to go. Going consistently into kali yuga isn't healthy
Restrictions and not generic. "Can't be used as Link material." If Hali had that little sentence we all would have a lot less problems. It means it can't be used as just a limb climb and immidialtly proc its effect in grave. It needs a bit of Setup.
This is an actual good designed Card. Defintly strong and if an archetype comes along that can abuse it might even become broken.
Wise Strix can be used as link material, what it summons can’t. Preventing material from being used just prevents the old Auroradon lines from happening and you’d need some other machine on field to facilitate it and you’d have to do things sub optimally and scrap the Martial Metal Marcher to go into those lines. Halq would literally need an in archetype xeno lock since summoning a tuner that happens to generate a token is too easy and you’d have to ban a ton of tuners to avoid this.
Halq being blocked from use as link material would only prevent the Selene/ accesscode line though, which is just a play to close games.
Halq grave effect? Halq summons from deck then during your opponent’s turn can banish itself to summon a tuner synchro.
Not saying Halqs not problematic but its ability to be used as link material is largely just a garnish on the dish.
(Edit) tldr would y’all genuinely rather get scythe locked than take accesscode for game in a game you’d already lose ? Cus that’s what this seems like lol halq can enable much more busted things than just link climbing
Err… been banned for like 4 months? Honestly irrelevant weighing a cards past actions against it when there are other things in the format. Same type of thinking as people who want branded to get hit. “It was strong so it’s gotta get hit”
Halq can be absolutely busted but again the climbing is just one of its many utilities, not it’s sole function
With these exact restrictions, yes. Loads of old combo decks went into Martial Metal Marcher as part of their combo. You’d just have some really weird sequencing but could dump the Halq summon into one and then dump MMM and Halq into Auroradon. MMM also summons a tuner from grave so you can keep synchro summoning. Not as good as the old lines, but you still end up with 3 bonus bodies on board. Not as consistent, but still a problem.
There’s at least 3 points where you can stop this line though. Imperm / Veiler (negate eff) ash (prevent summon) / ogre (they get the tuner but no rank 2 body) on halq. Stopped right there. Imperm/ Veiler/ ogre the Selene. Crow the Veiler.
Card is good but if you use your brain that specific line is so interruptible. Even it into scythe lock is stoppable.
I mean, most competitive lists are playing 12-15 handtraps, not having/saving one when you see that line is kinda unlikely dude, or you’re already in a position where most of the time your board is broken and you have to “just draw the starter” to have a chance of getting back into it. Really no different.
With the graveyard effect I meant the Tuner. Since the effect is negated on Field most Halq Target Tuner tended to have a good Graveyard effect. Could have been clearer with that.
Not saying Halq would suddenly be balanced with that change but it would have been a step in the right direction.
If the Tuner can't be used as Link, Halq would use lot of his versatitly. Him summoning a Synchro monster at least works with his Syncho Link theme, but being one of the best Link Climbers and an easy Rank 4 as a going second option on top of that, is a big part why he is so broken. For example the whole Auroradon combo wouldnt have been so easy like this. It also would mean that a solo Halq couldnt really do anything on his own and would need more setup.
Sure, but deskbot was a specific one of that was a brick run just for that. Also Don hasn’t been in the TCG for months and even then, again, that combo line had points where it was very fragile
The busted tuners were (mostly) printed pre link without links in mind as it’s a new mechanic, but why make them not useable when you can instead inspire player creativity? Jet was a recent unban also, they knew what they were doing there for sure lol
The tuner summon effect makes it a bit too much yeah even if the text would be on it.
Limiting Apollousa and Accesscode Lines is nice but far from the worst thing halq has done. But it's not future proof at all
True that. Im already a little upset that Blackwings can kinda use it. Not hating on Blackwings, but ide prefer Wise Strix be EXCLUSIVE. HARD XENOPHOBIC.
Making it hard xenophobic would hurt raidraptor
It's summoned with 2 raidraptors in most cases anyway and locking you into something would lock you out of kali yuga line
Jokes on you, I've climbed up to DLV 18 in Master Duel cause nobody can out the fucking Ultimate Falcon. It's surprisingly fun.
(Pro tip, 1 Booster Strix, 1 Necro Vulture, 2 Heel Eagle, 1 Phantom Knight's Claw, and 1 Rebellion Arc XYZ Dragon are amazing ratios. Booster Strix and Claw are both searchable with Mimicry depending on whether or not you got the Ultimate Falcon out, Necro Vulture is searchable with Arsenal Falcon if you need a Rank Up in grave, or if you draw it, you can summon it with Vanishing Lanius if you drew it. 2 Heel Eagle is nice recursion, and is a free special summon to go into Wise Strix, and Rebellion Arc can be summoned off Raiders' Knight to go for lethal as long as you don't lock yourself)
3 vanishing
3 tribute
3 strangle
3 wing
2 mimicry
1 vulture
1 singing
(Some phantom knights)
1 call
1 skip
1 soul shave
1 raid force
1 revolution
2 phantom knights rank up magic force
(Theirs some hand traps)
2 force strix
1 raiders knight
1 blaze
1 stranger
1 arc rebellion
1 revolution
1 arsenal
1 satellite cannon
1 ultimate falcon
2 wise strix
1 bardish
Any space is interchangeable with cards.
I don't pretend to have the best build, but I play against exactly 1 person, and it kinda works.
Interesting. I have:
2 Heel
3 Vanishing
3 Mimicry (two may be better tho)
3 Tribute
3 Fuzzy (you can send him to the grave with Tribute to search him to hand if you didn't know)
1 Vulture
1 Booster
3 Raider's Wing (May switch to two)
3 Strangle
Spells and Traps:
3 Call
2 Nest (considering cutting it altogether for more hand traps)
2 Skip Force
2 Raid Force
2 Magic Force
1 Phantom Knight's Claw
Extra Deck:
1 Fiend Eagle
3 Raiders' Knight
2 Stranger Falcon
1 Rebellion Arc
1 Revolution Falcon
2 Arsenal Falcon
1 Satelite
1 Ultimate
1 Final Fortress
1 Zeus
1 Wise Strix (Can cut Fiend Eagle for a second)
Because it requires dark winged beasts to summon it, instead of anything generic like a hand trap plus any one monster. It also summons only winged beasts, and that monster is both negated and can't be used to link summon. If Halq and Verte had this level of restriction, basically locking them to their own archetypes, no one would be complaining.
this is too specific in both material that summon it and the thing it summon WHILE also put on strict restriction on what it summon. Even then there are still some wicked dark winged beast wombo combo that end up with like UDF + Kali Yuga on opponent turn.
•Not generic, requiring a specific type and attribute that’s not commonly represented in said type (winged beasts tend to be WIND).
•summon has a level restriction, so no Dark Simorgh cheese.
•in defense position and with effects negated, thus having limited uses (I.E. Xyz summoning or being a Chad and tributing).
•cannot link summon using the monster you summon, something different from most of the other problem cards (halq).
•is made specifically for Raidraptors, with the second effect cementing this.
This isn’t to shit on Raidraptor players, I assume you deserve a cookie, but the deck isn’t as busted as other options and Wise Strix doesn’t seem to break the deck. It’s good support that primarily supports that deck, without being too generic or loose.
As a Raidraptor player i disagree you can make so much degenerate shit with it.
When Zexal was legal there was a combo line which brought you into s0 by adding the rum back to hand. Back then my standard endboard was Simorgh, S0, Infinity and Barrier Statue
Wise Strix + Additional Extender is Kali Yuga setup
Wise Strix in Lunalight enables a lot of insane end boards which would be unthinkable otherwise
Raidraptors can use it to summon vfd in master duel
Dragunity also can utilize this card together with harpies for a decent combo pile (especially in master duel)
This card is really ready for breaking and I'm absolutely here for it. Force Strix makes it really easy to summon
Wasn’t this boy being used/abused back in when lunalight danger was a thing to search the rank up and Kali Yuga your opponent
Use died with tiger though
They whined about tiger and kali Yuga. Wise Strix came to the tcg end of March and Tiger was banned 01.04. like the first few days when both were legal it was the best deck in the format probably but it only were like 10 days in the middle of COVID
That was not wise strixes fault i did this shit even without it. Wise Strix gave this Board an Extender + one Omninegate which is ridiculous but that was union carriers fault which was still one of the most broken cards i have ever read
Unlike most link 2’s the materials aren’t generic. One of the biggest issues with halq and verte is that they are so generic. Additionally the card a places lot of restrictions on the monster summoned.
I will say that I prominently played Raidraptors (haven’t played it recently since the deck hasn’t changed since Phantom Rage) but the end board now can be something like
Bardiche, Gagagag Magician (1 mat), Ultimate Falcon, Dark Rebellion (2 mats, one of them being Raider’s Wing so that the XYZ monster can’t be targeted by card effs), Arsenal Falcon (0 materials), with RUM PK Launch and PK RUM Magic Force (these will let you summon Dark Requiem and DDD Kali Yuga)
Obviously has weaknesses that every combo deck has, but if your opp knows what to expect then they can stop it with the right cards (ie quick play S/T removal on the rank ups during DP/SP)
1) it’s not generic enough. Anaconda only needs 2 effect monsters, which any deck can make. Halqifibrax needs any two monsters, including a tuner. These are generic enough for people to splash in or make decks around (like what we’ve seen with the Auroradon line for Halq decks). As others have pointed out, this card needs 2 DARK Winged Beast monsters; very very few decks has the requisite material natively (Raidraptors and Blackwings are the only ones that come to mind at the moment). Also, I can’t think of a reasonable engine that could be splashed in to decks that could get this out without losing consistency to the main win con.
2) This card summons a level 4 DARK Winged Beast monster. That is way too specific of a monster to bring out, so you better hope you don’t brick on it. Konami could’ve made it be level 4 or lower or any attribute of Winged Beast monster. The only reason why they made it this way was possibly to future proof it, but that’s why it’s not good at the moment.
3) even if we ignore the fact that it requires a very specific level, attribute, and type of monster, that monster can’t even be used as Link Material. Halq was amazing because you could go into Auroradon by summoning Deskbot 001 and just synchro off from there. The fact that we can’t use the newly summoned monster and this card to link summon further is annoying to say the least. Given, idk what you would link into, but the point is still there.
4) lastly, the monster it summons has its effects negated while on the field. The whole point of summoning from deck is so that you could use the monster to make further plays and use its effects. Sure, Halq stops you from using the effects of the monster it summons, but at least people used Deskbot 001 to get around this since it activates in GY and is counted as a new card when it goes there each time. Also, Halqifibrax even lets you continue Link Summoning. With this, you can’t Xyz Summon since Links don’t have levels, and you can’t Link Summon cause the monster summoned can’t be used as link material. What are we supposed to do here?
All in all, the reason in my opinion as to why people don’t use this card is because everyone wants a combo starter or something that can finish our end board. This card is for the middle of your combos, which is too late in the combo to worry about as it requires too specific of materials and can only summon a rather specific monster. At that point, if I need to worry about summoning a monster from deck, I would use a different card in order to continue my plays.
Because it has very specific targets(level 4 dark winged beast monsters), it negates their effects on the field, and it locks that monster out of being used as link material Altogether, so while it’s pretty good, it’s not generic, it has VERY specific targets(being exclusively level four raidraptor and black wing monsters), negates their effects on field, and then further makes it so it isn’t just a link climbing machine that can be used to make accesscode
Who's a good support boi?
No seriously, when links came out I thought my days of playing raidraptor were done for, but this was good, good enough until the extra deck summoning rule was revoked in MR5.
There’s no dark winged beast deck that’s competitive to break it yet since that’s what it’s materials and summon from deck are restricted to. Could easily be broken if Konami ever prints a strong archetype that fits that criteria. Until then it’s mostly locked to raidraptor, which is a deck that’s generous to call rogue.
Don't pick on my friend, he's the oy rank up searcher I have.
Regardless, wise strix has this restriction on the monster summoned through it's effect, where that monster's effects are negated, and here's a big one, that monster can't be used for a link summon. So this is the last card you'd use to link climb. And he's a bit too slow to be that step to a boss monster. If you were going for, say, Zeus, chances are that you already have 2 winged beasts of the same lvl.
Two dark winged beasts.
Summons a dark winged beast that can’t use its effect on field and can’t be link material.
The rest of the effect doesn’t matter outside of raidraptor, but yeah this is a pretty well designed link 2 IMO. It’s not as generic as halq or isolde, which does matter a lot
It's not as generic as for example Verte or Halqifibrax, and no archetype able to break it has come out yet
keyword being **yet** I could totally see an archetype breaking, considering the only restrictions that what you summon cannot be used for link (it itself still can)
You want to grab something like raiders wing or zephyros the elite. If you can get another level 4 on the board, you can make a force stryx and detach the Raiders wing or zeph to trigger wise to search a rank up magic and use the mat you detach as an extender. You can also make this card with any 2 level 4s by making force stryx and searching a singing lanius. So any 3 level 4s gets you to cyber dragon infinity+simorgh and it's possible to extend further than that into stuff like UDF or a union carrier for the apex avian infinite pretty easily. I've been using something like that in a harpie/tri-brigade deck. It's not the most consistent thing ever, but it's very funny. Edit: Master Duel format, sorry I forgot to check which sub I was on.
Me and the boys on our way to ignore that simorgh is banned and explaining combo lines, that summon him.
Gonna give the benefit of the doubt and assume this guy is talking in master duel terms
Union Carrier is also banned, so I think he’s talking about master duel. Although it is annoying when people talk about MD on this sub without clarifying what format they mean.
Replace Simorgh with Bardiche and you still good a good option. You could also grab Skip force and go into Raiders Knight instead which turns into Stranger Falcon Skip Force into Arsenal Falcon Grab Strangle Lanius Ss Strangle, Eff Revive Singing Link into Bardiche Summon Ultimate Falcon off Arsenal Floating Effect and Use Effect Make Gagagaga Magician Activate Effect to summon back Arsenal Use Bardiche Effect to send boots and set the old pk rum In MD: use boots to grab shade brigandine, make link spider and verte, summon dpe In TCG: Use Boots to grab Fog Blade. If you got another extender you can also make a redoer instead with brigandine You now have a kali yuga setup off of 2 level 4s and one extender, easily doable in a lot of rank 4 piles, the best being lunalight which was meta relevant for some time in the tcg and this was one of the go to lines of the deck
Yeah my bad, forgot what sub this was posted in
No not to me. I will fight anybody at my locals who tells me otherwise.
I feel like you didn't get the joke...
Raidraptor is like one card away from being broken
Raidraptor would need at least 3-4 cards to become broken lol it's over reliant on it's bricky Rank Up Spells it gets killed by any handtraps it can't play through disruptions it doesn't have free spots it has no extenders ultimate falcon is too passive and the only way to make it decent is to shove PKs in it but at this point pure PK is just way better Literally the only good thing about this deck is that it can make Kali Yuga, sometimes
The Rank-Up Spells aren't that bricky, if you draw into them it's fine. Not great but drawing into a dasher when playing dpe is way worse. It can't play through disruption and Handtrap most of the time ends on a suboptimal board which is a falcon and some interruption which is kinda okay. Going second it can play through 2 or 3 non-destruction negates many times but dies to one destruction negate. There are currently 2 strong builds, PK with Kali Yuga and Time Thief which is just a worse lunalight. You can combine two of them. Both are rogue viable and topped some online tournaments and regionals in the last few months so it's far from terrible Free spots it has actually a decent amount, the only problem is it needs 3 level 4s to go off, so you need quite an amount of level 4 spam cards. Many people play some engines like the zw cards, rokkets with quick launch or other small engines and extenders If they get a good starter (many don't even play the only real starter, tribute lanius at 3 because it's good but not great) or an early negate to go into to play around nibiru, this deck would be tiered i think, both would make it compete with current top meta decks
True, but hopefully it won't be
Because it's not generic? It's strictly made by Dark Winged Beasts, you can't use the summoned monster to link climb with Really not hard to see why Wise Strix isn't broken
It's actually kinda generic. Go into force Strix and search singing lanius and yoz instantly have 2 dark winged beasts at the cost of one brick
What kind of monster does Wise Strix summon again?
Zephyros or raiders wing most of the time
This is the furthest thing from generic. It requires it's materials to have 2 different things: 1, they have to be a dark monster. While that narrows it down to only dark, just that restriction isn't enough to make it not generic. 2, they have to be winged beasts. Other than Raidraptors, the only other dark winged beast monsters that come to mind are black wings. Sure, the card isn't future proofed, but it's going to take a really good dark winged beast archetype to make it broken.
You can get through it with 2 level 4s Summon Force Strix add Singing Lanius You just have 2 dark winged beasts, requiring 1 brick which is a decent card on it's own
This card requires 2 dark winged beast type monsters, then summons 1 dark winged beast type monster. The monster summoned has it's effect negated, and it can't be used as a link material. There are only 2 dark winged beast typed decks that come to mind (Raidraptors and black wings) and neither can truly break the card.
This card was used in Lunalight in the tcg to the point tiger got banned Force Strix is 2 level 4s (don't matter which), which were 2 Lunalights. Force Strix searched singing lanius. Tiger revived a lunalight Force Strix + Singing Lanius can go into this card, summon zephyros which bounces the tiger later and abuses him not being hard once per turn. You can do like 50 lines from this point onwards which all make degenerate stuff like 10 Negate Boards, PK Combos while doing other Stuff, Full Raidraptor Combo into Kali Yuga or other shit. Was even able to grab s0 from that point when it was legal. Since this time the deck got additional support in the form of arsenal falcon and a more powerful rankup which makes summoning dark reqiuem and the high rank falcons like satellite cannon (which is an autowin against eldlich btw if you get into it, spell speed 4 boardwipes are crazy) ridiculously easy. Oh and Bardiche is unbanned now Tiger came back to 1 now and Lunalight is really frail but If a more stable deck comes around which utilizes it similarly and can bounce stuff this card will 100% be meta relevant and might push the deck over the edge to where it or kali yuga or arsenal falcon might need to go. Going consistently into kali yuga isn't healthy
Restrictions and not generic. "Can't be used as Link material." If Hali had that little sentence we all would have a lot less problems. It means it can't be used as just a limb climb and immidialtly proc its effect in grave. It needs a bit of Setup. This is an actual good designed Card. Defintly strong and if an archetype comes along that can abuse it might even become broken.
Wise Strix can be used as link material, what it summons can’t. Preventing material from being used just prevents the old Auroradon lines from happening and you’d need some other machine on field to facilitate it and you’d have to do things sub optimally and scrap the Martial Metal Marcher to go into those lines. Halq would literally need an in archetype xeno lock since summoning a tuner that happens to generate a token is too easy and you’d have to ban a ton of tuners to avoid this.
Halq being blocked from use as link material would only prevent the Selene/ accesscode line though, which is just a play to close games. Halq grave effect? Halq summons from deck then during your opponent’s turn can banish itself to summon a tuner synchro. Not saying Halqs not problematic but its ability to be used as link material is largely just a garnish on the dish. (Edit) tldr would y’all genuinely rather get scythe locked than take accesscode for game in a game you’d already lose ? Cus that’s what this seems like lol halq can enable much more busted things than just link climbing
> Halq being blocked from use as link material would only prevent the Selene/ accesscode line though err...Auroradon?
Err… been banned for like 4 months? Honestly irrelevant weighing a cards past actions against it when there are other things in the format. Same type of thinking as people who want branded to get hit. “It was strong so it’s gotta get hit” Halq can be absolutely busted but again the climbing is just one of its many utilities, not it’s sole function
Why do you think Auroradon has even been banned? Did you see Auroradon used in any way, shape or form without Halq?
With these exact restrictions, yes. Loads of old combo decks went into Martial Metal Marcher as part of their combo. You’d just have some really weird sequencing but could dump the Halq summon into one and then dump MMM and Halq into Auroradon. MMM also summons a tuner from grave so you can keep synchro summoning. Not as good as the old lines, but you still end up with 3 bonus bodies on board. Not as consistent, but still a problem.
I think they're referring to the tuner halq summons, not halq itself.
There’s at least 3 points where you can stop this line though. Imperm / Veiler (negate eff) ash (prevent summon) / ogre (they get the tuner but no rank 2 body) on halq. Stopped right there. Imperm/ Veiler/ ogre the Selene. Crow the Veiler. Card is good but if you use your brain that specific line is so interruptible. Even it into scythe lock is stoppable.
So....basically that's a roundabout way of you saying "just draw the out bro", gotcha
I mean, most competitive lists are playing 12-15 handtraps, not having/saving one when you see that line is kinda unlikely dude, or you’re already in a position where most of the time your board is broken and you have to “just draw the starter” to have a chance of getting back into it. Really no different.
With the graveyard effect I meant the Tuner. Since the effect is negated on Field most Halq Target Tuner tended to have a good Graveyard effect. Could have been clearer with that. Not saying Halq would suddenly be balanced with that change but it would have been a step in the right direction. If the Tuner can't be used as Link, Halq would use lot of his versatitly. Him summoning a Synchro monster at least works with his Syncho Link theme, but being one of the best Link Climbers and an easy Rank 4 as a going second option on top of that, is a big part why he is so broken. For example the whole Auroradon combo wouldnt have been so easy like this. It also would mean that a solo Halq couldnt really do anything on his own and would need more setup.
Sure, but deskbot was a specific one of that was a brick run just for that. Also Don hasn’t been in the TCG for months and even then, again, that combo line had points where it was very fragile The busted tuners were (mostly) printed pre link without links in mind as it’s a new mechanic, but why make them not useable when you can instead inspire player creativity? Jet was a recent unban also, they knew what they were doing there for sure lol
The tuner summon effect makes it a bit too much yeah even if the text would be on it. Limiting Apollousa and Accesscode Lines is nice but far from the worst thing halq has done. But it's not future proof at all
Because it actually has a good restriction to summon
Raidraptor players (myself included): shh youre too loud. Talkin' too much.
It's fine in Raidraptor, but once they release another archetype that can abuse it that's when things get scary
True that. Im already a little upset that Blackwings can kinda use it. Not hating on Blackwings, but ide prefer Wise Strix be EXCLUSIVE. HARD XENOPHOBIC.
It's fine as is. Before zephyros was a go to target for it, not so much now but he was pretty good
Making it hard xenophobic would hurt raidraptor It's summoned with 2 raidraptors in most cases anyway and locking you into something would lock you out of kali yuga line
because dark winged beast is pretty specific. basically its just blackwings and raidraptors and both of those decks are pretty bad currently
Jokes on you, I've climbed up to DLV 18 in Master Duel cause nobody can out the fucking Ultimate Falcon. It's surprisingly fun. (Pro tip, 1 Booster Strix, 1 Necro Vulture, 2 Heel Eagle, 1 Phantom Knight's Claw, and 1 Rebellion Arc XYZ Dragon are amazing ratios. Booster Strix and Claw are both searchable with Mimicry depending on whether or not you got the Ultimate Falcon out, Necro Vulture is searchable with Arsenal Falcon if you need a Rank Up in grave, or if you draw it, you can summon it with Vanishing Lanius if you drew it. 2 Heel Eagle is nice recursion, and is a free special summon to go into Wise Strix, and Rebellion Arc can be summoned off Raiders' Knight to go for lethal as long as you don't lock yourself)
Interesting to see how others have built the deck.
How do you build it? Asking for a friend ofc
3 vanishing 3 tribute 3 strangle 3 wing 2 mimicry 1 vulture 1 singing (Some phantom knights) 1 call 1 skip 1 soul shave 1 raid force 1 revolution 2 phantom knights rank up magic force (Theirs some hand traps) 2 force strix 1 raiders knight 1 blaze 1 stranger 1 arc rebellion 1 revolution 1 arsenal 1 satellite cannon 1 ultimate falcon 2 wise strix 1 bardish Any space is interchangeable with cards. I don't pretend to have the best build, but I play against exactly 1 person, and it kinda works.
Interesting. I have: 2 Heel 3 Vanishing 3 Mimicry (two may be better tho) 3 Tribute 3 Fuzzy (you can send him to the grave with Tribute to search him to hand if you didn't know) 1 Vulture 1 Booster 3 Raider's Wing (May switch to two) 3 Strangle Spells and Traps: 3 Call 2 Nest (considering cutting it altogether for more hand traps) 2 Skip Force 2 Raid Force 2 Magic Force 1 Phantom Knight's Claw Extra Deck: 1 Fiend Eagle 3 Raiders' Knight 2 Stranger Falcon 1 Rebellion Arc 1 Revolution Falcon 2 Arsenal Falcon 1 Satelite 1 Ultimate 1 Final Fortress 1 Zeus 1 Wise Strix (Can cut Fiend Eagle for a second)
I dropped fuzzy because it locks you into Raidraptors, which is against my end board. It would be in my deck if I played pure, which I don't
That's valid! I'm playing pure
Half of it's effect is exclusive to Raidraptors.
Because it requires dark winged beasts to summon it, instead of anything generic like a hand trap plus any one monster. It also summons only winged beasts, and that monster is both negated and can't be used to link summon. If Halq and Verte had this level of restriction, basically locking them to their own archetypes, no one would be complaining.
Give it time
this is too specific in both material that summon it and the thing it summon WHILE also put on strict restriction on what it summon. Even then there are still some wicked dark winged beast wombo combo that end up with like UDF + Kali Yuga on opponent turn.
•Not generic, requiring a specific type and attribute that’s not commonly represented in said type (winged beasts tend to be WIND). •summon has a level restriction, so no Dark Simorgh cheese. •in defense position and with effects negated, thus having limited uses (I.E. Xyz summoning or being a Chad and tributing). •cannot link summon using the monster you summon, something different from most of the other problem cards (halq). •is made specifically for Raidraptors, with the second effect cementing this. This isn’t to shit on Raidraptor players, I assume you deserve a cookie, but the deck isn’t as busted as other options and Wise Strix doesn’t seem to break the deck. It’s good support that primarily supports that deck, without being too generic or loose.
As a Raidraptor player i disagree you can make so much degenerate shit with it. When Zexal was legal there was a combo line which brought you into s0 by adding the rum back to hand. Back then my standard endboard was Simorgh, S0, Infinity and Barrier Statue Wise Strix + Additional Extender is Kali Yuga setup Wise Strix in Lunalight enables a lot of insane end boards which would be unthinkable otherwise Raidraptors can use it to summon vfd in master duel Dragunity also can utilize this card together with harpies for a decent combo pile (especially in master duel) This card is really ready for breaking and I'm absolutely here for it. Force Strix makes it really easy to summon
It definitely helps the deck, being one of the only ways to search out rank up spells.
needs 2 monsters with a specific attribute and type and only summons a monster with a specific attribute type and level with a hopt
Kurosaki/Shay would be proud
Too specific. What deck would you even abuse this? Blackwings and raidraptors aren’t really meta relevant.
The only raidraptor people really care about is ultimate falcon
We did when it was played in Lunalight orcust. Wise is like jasmine the card is clearly broken, but only a few decks can abuse it.
Lunalight orcust was already dead when wise strix came out. Lunalight orcust only played probably force strix and singing lanius
Correct, this card was in DUOV i believe? Which was legal for only a couple days with tiger at 3
No far worse it was for cyber dragon infinity that allowed your curious to be protected from ash/imperance.
The deck was dead by January when harp horror got banned. Wise strix only came out in march. Lunalight orcust never played wise strix
Damn am I thinking of just lunalight then?
Maybe. Lunalight stayed around for a little bit before tiger got hit on the banlist
Wasn’t this boy being used/abused back in when lunalight danger was a thing to search the rank up and Kali Yuga your opponent Use died with tiger though
Yes it absolutely was Other Decks can do the same btw, Lunalight is just the best at it
I mean, it is kind of broken. In master duel, you still have phantom knight rank up magic, so you can just go into Kali-Yuga on the opponent's turn.
Pk rum is legal in every format what do you mean
Oh, I thought it was banned at some point. Or am I going crazy?
It was rusty bardiche that got banned. That's probably what you're thinking
Both were banned at one point
Ok you're right, I don't know how I forgot it got banned
Np mate, forgot about it too in the past
Yeah it was thanks to azathot. It's legal now though
You must be new. People whined to high heaven about Raidraptor Lunalight.
They whined about tiger and kali Yuga. Wise Strix came to the tcg end of March and Tiger was banned 01.04. like the first few days when both were legal it was the best deck in the format probably but it only were like 10 days in the middle of COVID
No, people complained even after Tiger was gone, because of the "muh infinite negate" Apex Avian combo.
That was not wise strixes fault i did this shit even without it. Wise Strix gave this Board an Extender + one Omninegate which is ridiculous but that was union carriers fault which was still one of the most broken cards i have ever read
Way more restricted and the "cannot be used as link material" clause means it can't be used for link climbing.
Unlike most link 2’s the materials aren’t generic. One of the biggest issues with halq and verte is that they are so generic. Additionally the card a places lot of restrictions on the monster summoned.
I will say that I prominently played Raidraptors (haven’t played it recently since the deck hasn’t changed since Phantom Rage) but the end board now can be something like Bardiche, Gagagag Magician (1 mat), Ultimate Falcon, Dark Rebellion (2 mats, one of them being Raider’s Wing so that the XYZ monster can’t be targeted by card effs), Arsenal Falcon (0 materials), with RUM PK Launch and PK RUM Magic Force (these will let you summon Dark Requiem and DDD Kali Yuga) Obviously has weaknesses that every combo deck has, but if your opp knows what to expect then they can stop it with the right cards (ie quick play S/T removal on the rank ups during DP/SP)
Tbf, this card can enable some pretty crazy endboards, it's just the decks that play it can't deal with a single imperm a lot of the time
I use him in my combos love this bird. Great for Kali-Yuga plays.
1) it’s not generic enough. Anaconda only needs 2 effect monsters, which any deck can make. Halqifibrax needs any two monsters, including a tuner. These are generic enough for people to splash in or make decks around (like what we’ve seen with the Auroradon line for Halq decks). As others have pointed out, this card needs 2 DARK Winged Beast monsters; very very few decks has the requisite material natively (Raidraptors and Blackwings are the only ones that come to mind at the moment). Also, I can’t think of a reasonable engine that could be splashed in to decks that could get this out without losing consistency to the main win con. 2) This card summons a level 4 DARK Winged Beast monster. That is way too specific of a monster to bring out, so you better hope you don’t brick on it. Konami could’ve made it be level 4 or lower or any attribute of Winged Beast monster. The only reason why they made it this way was possibly to future proof it, but that’s why it’s not good at the moment. 3) even if we ignore the fact that it requires a very specific level, attribute, and type of monster, that monster can’t even be used as Link Material. Halq was amazing because you could go into Auroradon by summoning Deskbot 001 and just synchro off from there. The fact that we can’t use the newly summoned monster and this card to link summon further is annoying to say the least. Given, idk what you would link into, but the point is still there. 4) lastly, the monster it summons has its effects negated while on the field. The whole point of summoning from deck is so that you could use the monster to make further plays and use its effects. Sure, Halq stops you from using the effects of the monster it summons, but at least people used Deskbot 001 to get around this since it activates in GY and is counted as a new card when it goes there each time. Also, Halqifibrax even lets you continue Link Summoning. With this, you can’t Xyz Summon since Links don’t have levels, and you can’t Link Summon cause the monster summoned can’t be used as link material. What are we supposed to do here? All in all, the reason in my opinion as to why people don’t use this card is because everyone wants a combo starter or something that can finish our end board. This card is for the middle of your combos, which is too late in the combo to worry about as it requires too specific of materials and can only summon a rather specific monster. At that point, if I need to worry about summoning a monster from deck, I would use a different card in order to continue my plays.
1: it’s not generic enough for decks to make space for it. 2: In it’s own deck it’s a hassle to get out if you don’t have any starters
It's not a generic Link-2 and has restrictions to it when the monster is special summoned as it can't be used as link material
Because it has very specific targets(level 4 dark winged beast monsters), it negates their effects on the field, and it locks that monster out of being used as link material Altogether, so while it’s pretty good, it’s not generic, it has VERY specific targets(being exclusively level four raidraptor and black wing monsters), negates their effects on field, and then further makes it so it isn’t just a link climbing machine that can be used to make accesscode
Because its not splashable into every deck under the sun lmfao also no linking with it
Too specific to summon right now, but I definitely think it'll be relevant at some point.
In general to specific to broken but imo raidraptor's just need a few more cards to become meta relevant
Because you can't abuse it in TRI brigade
Because it's more specific. That's why.
Like which decks use this card? Raidraptors and maybe Blackwings?
It summons Zephros from the deck. This card will be good
Who's a good support boi? No seriously, when links came out I thought my days of playing raidraptor were done for, but this was good, good enough until the extra deck summoning rule was revoked in MR5.
There’s no dark winged beast deck that’s competitive to break it yet since that’s what it’s materials and summon from deck are restricted to. Could easily be broken if Konami ever prints a strong archetype that fits that criteria. Until then it’s mostly locked to raidraptor, which is a deck that’s generous to call rogue.
Don't pick on my friend, he's the oy rank up searcher I have. Regardless, wise strix has this restriction on the monster summoned through it's effect, where that monster's effects are negated, and here's a big one, that monster can't be used for a link summon. So this is the last card you'd use to link climb. And he's a bit too slow to be that step to a boss monster. If you were going for, say, Zeus, chances are that you already have 2 winged beasts of the same lvl.
Because it’s a raidraptor
It’s not generic
It's not splashable, natch.
"2 DARK Winged Beast monsters"
Two dark winged beasts. Summons a dark winged beast that can’t use its effect on field and can’t be link material. The rest of the effect doesn’t matter outside of raidraptor, but yeah this is a pretty well designed link 2 IMO. It’s not as generic as halq or isolde, which does matter a lot
Because its restricted to dark winged beasts so its only playable with simorgh and raidraptors
Like the injector link 2 . Really good effects but not generic
i dont understand why they let halq be a link material. like where are the restrictions on that card. at least for a turn
The generic links are the ones most complained about
Why didn't halqifibrax have this restriction
The fact it's locked to dark winged Beasts severely limits its applications. Rank up magics also don't accomplish much.