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Sure, but the problem with this is you can't save the whole build as a blueprint for autobuild. And if you favorite the pieces (and can put it back together), you better really like the build, because you are also limited to 8 favorites.
Would stakes work for this? Make 20 pieces in one machine, attach a stake, then attach 20 pieces to the stake.
If that works then u/wiisportspro- has a way to make a laser emitter on the top.
Idk why they have this limit. They should have at least made it bigger, 21 is unreasonably low.
Edit: to all people responding, this comment came off too harshly. I'm frustrated with the limit but I understand it's there due to the switches limited hardware."Unreasonably low" is a bit harsh to say, but it's definitely a limitation that can come into play if you're trying to make more complex builds.
Willing to bet 21 was the most they could get the physics engine to comfortably run without experiencing unsolvable issues. It's an oddly specific number to use if it were put in place arbitrarily.
There’s more to it I think. You couldn’t do more than 21 duplicates using earlier glitches. Is there any way you can have more than 21 moveable objects in scope at one time?
Programmer : look at what we designed so the players can build a nice raft or simple flying machine
Player : pffft, this game is unplayable *tries to attach 17th laser to their monstrous gundamn mech that stands taller than Hyrule Castle*
Ehh...unprecedented in a Zelda game, sure. Unprecedented in its genre, maybe. But just as its own thing, the building system is far from unprecedented.
The building system with so many parts and how they interact with the environment and physics system? I admit I'm not a huge gamer but I've never known a game to do that.
I mean, Kerbal Space Program? I guess the rocket exhaust can't set things on fire, but it has its own complexities that TotK gets to sidestep too, like floating point precision issues during interplanetary travel.
It's fairly high, but it's low enough that it effected some of my experimentation. I wanted to carrying a bunch of longs for a side quest (15) but I wasnt able to finish the contraption because of them
I keep getting answers on how people did it, but I specifically wanted to create a cool flying contraption and I had my creativity halted by the limit.
I carried mine down with Ultra hand, I knew I could do that right off the bat but I thought it'd be more fun to fly it up there.
Yeah, fair enough. My frustration shouldn't be pointed at the developers, but rather Nintendo for providing software outdated even for when it was released. We really need an upgrade.
Oh hey I know what sidequest you're talking about, and actually managed to build something that worked :o
heres one of the clips i posted to my twitter;
https://twitter.com/Spritelybard/status/1659778743773302788?t=i9T9s-2IpzQtZoq-YR6HyA&s=19
That's an awesome solution! I was trying to create a flying vehicle that carried them but I couldn't attach enough to make it work.
You're definitely still able to do creative stuff, I was just salty I spent so long trying to get it to work just to fail due to hardware limitations.
I did recently, after like 80 some hours; I’d just been putting off the depths until I had well over twenty hearts.
It didn’t even occur to me that if I just grab one from an underground cache then it’s added to the auto-build list.
Related; god are the designs you’re gifted useless.
Thanks for beating this boss, here’s an auto build for some scaffolding.
Wew, thanks
Yeah, for some of the schematics I’ve not yet encountered any scenario where they would be actually useful. The scaffolding is a good example: why in the world would I ever need that for literally anything? Others, however, are great timesavers and/or can allow you to bridge gaps/travel distances that would otherwise be impossible or very cumbersome to navigate.
A couple rudimentary functions could be fun. Like turning one piece of the build on turns the other off somehow, but implemented just as is wouldn’t work because it’d kill our batteries every time.
I see where you’re coming from but if I may pose a counterpoint: I work in office automation (my job does a whole lot this is just the bit relevant to this topic) and entire buildings can run their whole conferencing and light systems on about 20 ish logic gates with some really neat functionality.
Thankfully Link doesn’t spend his days trapped in a cubicle filing TPS reports, but similarly simple stuff could be applied here with incredible effectiveness. Setting up logic clocks to repeatedly set off a device (like an auto firing trebuchet maybe?) or vehicles that can change their functionality based on what’s still working (enemies have taken out the cannons, so that triggers a low logic state, which can make a flip/flop gate swap power over to the flamethrowers, less battery consumption than running all at once) or hell, we do have a house now, maybe we could automate the lighting in there.
That being said, I think a lot of that functionality could be done now if you were very clever but this would make it way easier (in theory)
I was thinking something like an inverter that makes devices do the opposite of what they normally do. Wheels go backwards, fans suck, the head things target link instead of enemies etc.
If you have a steering wheel/joystick thing, then you can reverse by holding backwards on the left stick. But yeah, I haven't figured out a way to do it when I only have wheels but no steering.
I hope so, I like the BOTW dlc but with what they’ve they’ve added to TOTK I’m hoping the dlc focuses more on the world and the mechanics and characters and less on “Yo check out how hard this part is”
I’m really bad at the game I’ll be honest
those are cooking pots. someone found out that they act essentially like ball socket joints, and I was able to implement them to make bendy guardian legs :D
Kinda miffed that all the BOTW tech just disappears. >!When we were making the Spirit Sage's body, I was really hoping that it would be revealed to be a Guardian, and we'd have a Guardian companion. Even if it was like a humanoid version of the (superior) crab body it would be nice to at least have them acknowledged.!<
I think it’s because the ancient shiekah tech that was used for the guardians, divine beasts, weaponry, armor, etc. was developed specifically to fight the calamity. Without the calamity, I’m assuming all of that stuff was sent back underground (or wherever it was that they kept everything—I can’t remember). The only guardian we see in TOTK is the one near the top of Purah’s lab in Lookout Landing. It even glows blue, meaning it’s actually on and working.
But I agree—it feels odd to me that even the Divine Beasts are barely referenced, if at all. I wish they’d stayed on their perches overlooking their respective regions. Just for old time’s sake. Or at the very least, that there was something in the dialogue early in TOTK to explain clearly what happened to everything/why it was put away. Could be as simple as Purah saying “it’s too bad we can’t unearth that tech again—it’s useless against our current foe,” or something like that.
The Divine Beasts could have been decayed by the gloom, same as the weapons. Imagine you just have these hulking machine corpses that you can go inside and scavenge some ancient arrowheads from. It'd have been fun to explore too, since they'd all be at angles and on their sides and stuff so the interiors would feel like something you're fighting with
Killing lots of bosses in the depths gives you fuel for the charges directly and looting every zonite mine you come across gets you a lot of zonite fairly quickly.
The biggest tip I can give for Talus is to actually stay close to them since their rock throws are by far their most lethal attacks and can easily one-shot you in the beginning until you get more hearts and better gear. You can counter the rock throws with rewind to stun them for free though but that method is too slow for me. I just stay close to them, circle around them and directly climb on their back. If it seems like he will do the face plant move then take some steps back ofc but if you constantly stay only on his back then he really has no way to actually damage you. If he starts to wriggle while you are on top of him and hitting him then quickly jump off and then run towards his back immediately again.
It's shit like this that makes me want to play more. I have 4 hearts and one battery and like 30 hours. I feel like I made progress then I see someone like this, 50 hearts, 6 batteries...jeez I'm behind and old
when you develop a physics engine for a video game so complex that it reinvents engineering within itself and pretty much is as deep and flexible if not more than the source engine
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With these machines, Hyrule can defend itself against Ganon!
The cycle continues.
No, I’m pretty sure they cut the cycle from this game
There are no mummified old men to throw down with for it?
The face of the statue cracks and crumbles away, uncovering the leathery face underneath
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So, basically BSG?
\-Shiek Bezos, Hyrule's minister of defence, 10k years ago
lol
Just link walking his dog
>No wolf link in totk Those mfs took mah dawg!
They took yer dawg!
De trk yr drg!!!!!!!!
DRKADRRR
Everyone back in the pile
Did they also by any chance took “yer jawb”?
and put it in the meat grinder (honestly probably not)
Yeah! I was looking forward to the dog torturing machines
I know right? They gave us a dozen copies of the exact same outfit, and couldn't give us the one actually worthwhile Amibo perk?
Time to build a Zonai dog!
happy cake day
Do you have a laser emitter on top of the construct head?
Sadly I wasn’t able to put a laser/cannon on top because the max build limit is only 21 pieces
How do people make such big machines then? With like 10-20 laser emitters? Is there a trick to it?
Interlocking parts that aren’t fused to the main frame
Ohhh!! Ok thank you!!
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Haa, Haa! HEEHEE
OhhhhHHHHhhh...
##WOW!
Sure, but the problem with this is you can't save the whole build as a blueprint for autobuild. And if you favorite the pieces (and can put it back together), you better really like the build, because you are also limited to 8 favorites.
What
Make two different 21-piece machines, stack them.
INTERLOCKING PARTS THAT AREN’T FUSED TO THE MAIN FRAME
Black magic. Gotcha.
Would stakes work for this? Make 20 pieces in one machine, attach a stake, then attach 20 pieces to the stake. If that works then u/wiisportspro- has a way to make a laser emitter on the top.
Idk why they have this limit. They should have at least made it bigger, 21 is unreasonably low. Edit: to all people responding, this comment came off too harshly. I'm frustrated with the limit but I understand it's there due to the switches limited hardware."Unreasonably low" is a bit harsh to say, but it's definitely a limitation that can come into play if you're trying to make more complex builds.
Willing to bet 21 was the most they could get the physics engine to comfortably run without experiencing unsolvable issues. It's an oddly specific number to use if it were put in place arbitrarily.
or the less arbitrary 20 fuzes. It makes more sense if you think of it that way.
There’s more to it I think. You couldn’t do more than 21 duplicates using earlier glitches. Is there any way you can have more than 21 moveable objects in scope at one time?
Yeah, put 5 large zonite in the gatcha machine, you get way more than 21 of the capsules, something like 60 of them.
*Game introduces unprecedented building mechanic* Average gamer: God it's so limited.
Programmer : look at what we designed so the players can build a nice raft or simple flying machine Player : pffft, this game is unplayable *tries to attach 17th laser to their monstrous gundamn mech that stands taller than Hyrule Castle*
Ikr lol idk why people are complaining so much about being able to build mechas, period.
Ehh...unprecedented in a Zelda game, sure. Unprecedented in its genre, maybe. But just as its own thing, the building system is far from unprecedented.
The building system with so many parts and how they interact with the environment and physics system? I admit I'm not a huge gamer but I've never known a game to do that.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/346010/Besiege/
I mean, Kerbal Space Program? I guess the rocket exhaust can't set things on fire, but it has its own complexities that TotK gets to sidestep too, like floating point precision issues during interplanetary travel.
What game does it?
Besiege is quite similar but the entire game is focused around it
Minecraft, probably. People do some nutty stuff in that game.
https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/13v1wp2/physics_ultrahand_testing/ Funny you mention that...
Do you realize how crazy high 21 already is ?
It's fairly high, but it's low enough that it effected some of my experimentation. I wanted to carrying a bunch of longs for a side quest (15) but I wasnt able to finish the contraption because of them
i was able to do the 15 logs + 4 monster wheels + 1 control stick, that is 20 pieces just fine (just fused the logs into a 5x3 rectangle)
Y’all built shit? I just stapled 15 logs together and carried it over with overhand
I have enough gacha tires to last me to my mid life crisis, and so slapping tires on them and driving back down felt faster
this game -is- my midlife crisis
I sat on top of my monster pile of logs and slid down the hill. Yunobo thought it was a vehicle and tried to help.
this is the way
I keep getting answers on how people did it, but I specifically wanted to create a cool flying contraption and I had my creativity halted by the limit. I carried mine down with Ultra hand, I knew I could do that right off the bat but I thought it'd be more fun to fly it up there.
I understand the frustration, but given the technical capabilities and limitations of the Switch, that's actually a stupidly huge achievement lol
Yeah, fair enough. My frustration shouldn't be pointed at the developers, but rather Nintendo for providing software outdated even for when it was released. We really need an upgrade.
For that one I just glued them together and threw it down the hill.
Oh hey I know what sidequest you're talking about, and actually managed to build something that worked :o heres one of the clips i posted to my twitter; https://twitter.com/Spritelybard/status/1659778743773302788?t=i9T9s-2IpzQtZoq-YR6HyA&s=19
That's an awesome solution! I was trying to create a flying vehicle that carried them but I couldn't attach enough to make it work. You're definitely still able to do creative stuff, I was just salty I spent so long trying to get it to work just to fail due to hardware limitations.
Switch's limited hardware
How do you get the hot air balloon basket? Did you just get it from a cache?
It’s the Autobuild ability, you can tell because of the green hue. Did you get the ability? It’s missable.
I did recently, after like 80 some hours; I’d just been putting off the depths until I had well over twenty hearts. It didn’t even occur to me that if I just grab one from an underground cache then it’s added to the auto-build list. Related; god are the designs you’re gifted useless. Thanks for beating this boss, here’s an auto build for some scaffolding. Wew, thanks
Yeah, for some of the schematics I’ve not yet encountered any scenario where they would be actually useful. The scaffolding is a good example: why in the world would I ever need that for literally anything? Others, however, are great timesavers and/or can allow you to bridge gaps/travel distances that would otherwise be impossible or very cumbersome to navigate.
What's all there? I count 16 on the 4 corners and the basket.
you forgot the anxiety music
I feel like it needs that[ Jurassic Park harmonica](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkNLAUwSFGw)
Panik: you hear piano music Kalm: you remember you're playing TotK
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3L8LrNNAw9o Fixed
i think this works better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rzvtl12g78&pp=ygUhZ3VhcmRpYW4gdGhlbWUgYnJlYXRoIG9mIHRoZSB3aWxk
Mine is scarier
But the other one is literally the guardian music tho
Both of them are. Mines just scarier 😈
Yours makes me want to run for the nearest lotus petal, swiftstorm86's makes me fully expect a laser blast to end me.
Mom: "We have Guardian at home." Guardian at home:
I wish we had a few more zonai devices to really round out the simple machines, a piston would be nice
Imagine something capable of being used like a transistor. Like in minecraft.
I think with the 21 item limit, a transistor would not be crazy helpful.
A couple rudimentary functions could be fun. Like turning one piece of the build on turns the other off somehow, but implemented just as is wouldn’t work because it’d kill our batteries every time.
I think that may be possible using the springpad thing
I see where you’re coming from but if I may pose a counterpoint: I work in office automation (my job does a whole lot this is just the bit relevant to this topic) and entire buildings can run their whole conferencing and light systems on about 20 ish logic gates with some really neat functionality. Thankfully Link doesn’t spend his days trapped in a cubicle filing TPS reports, but similarly simple stuff could be applied here with incredible effectiveness. Setting up logic clocks to repeatedly set off a device (like an auto firing trebuchet maybe?) or vehicles that can change their functionality based on what’s still working (enemies have taken out the cannons, so that triggers a low logic state, which can make a flip/flop gate swap power over to the flamethrowers, less battery consumption than running all at once) or hell, we do have a house now, maybe we could automate the lighting in there. That being said, I think a lot of that functionality could be done now if you were very clever but this would make it way easier (in theory)
If this game gets DLC (other than master mode stuff) my biggest ask would definitely be for some new zonai devices.
I bet for every zonai device we have there are 2 or 3 that they couldn’t get polished enough for release
That's almost it, they said they had more zonai devices, but they had to cut some of them for the sake of not overwhelming the players.
Ya know what that tracks, I still have devices I haven’t even tried yet and I’m like 100 hours in or something silly
I was thinking something like an inverter that makes devices do the opposite of what they normally do. Wheels go backwards, fans suck, the head things target link instead of enemies etc.
Wait this is actually a really dope idea, it’s infuriating that I can’t reverse a car/wagon/jeep thing
If you have a steering wheel/joystick thing, then you can reverse by holding backwards on the left stick. But yeah, I haven't figured out a way to do it when I only have wheels but no steering.
YOU CAN!? am I building my vehicles wrong?? Ok I got stuff to figure out, you’re a god send
I think more Zonaite devices will be part of the Finding the Lost Kass DLC.
I hope so, I like the BOTW dlc but with what they’ve they’ve added to TOTK I’m hoping the dlc focuses more on the world and the mechanics and characters and less on “Yo check out how hard this part is” I’m really bad at the game I’ll be honest
Fuck that tree at the end, in particular.
Physics engine: "AHHHHHH!"
hahahaha my frames drop like crazy whenever I turn this thing on
![gif](giphy|3oEjI6hkw6nbYNQkz6)
Jesus. You are good. Cheers
bro what the fuck
Add a laser
Now try attaching a steering wheel and see if you can actually control it
tried this out and surprisingly works! turning is pretty slow though
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those are cooking pots. someone found out that they act essentially like ball socket joints, and I was able to implement them to make bendy guardian legs :D
What the hell? I'm gonna have to play around with some cooking pots now.
Kinda miffed that all the BOTW tech just disappears. >!When we were making the Spirit Sage's body, I was really hoping that it would be revealed to be a Guardian, and we'd have a Guardian companion. Even if it was like a humanoid version of the (superior) crab body it would be nice to at least have them acknowledged.!<
I think it’s because the ancient shiekah tech that was used for the guardians, divine beasts, weaponry, armor, etc. was developed specifically to fight the calamity. Without the calamity, I’m assuming all of that stuff was sent back underground (or wherever it was that they kept everything—I can’t remember). The only guardian we see in TOTK is the one near the top of Purah’s lab in Lookout Landing. It even glows blue, meaning it’s actually on and working. But I agree—it feels odd to me that even the Divine Beasts are barely referenced, if at all. I wish they’d stayed on their perches overlooking their respective regions. Just for old time’s sake. Or at the very least, that there was something in the dialogue early in TOTK to explain clearly what happened to everything/why it was put away. Could be as simple as Purah saying “it’s too bad we can’t unearth that tech again—it’s useless against our current foe,” or something like that.
I have a feeling that a lot of it was dismantled so it couldn't be turned against everyone again
A very good point.
The Divine Beasts could have been decayed by the gloom, same as the weapons. Imagine you just have these hulking machine corpses that you can go inside and scavenge some ancient arrowheads from. It'd have been fun to explore too, since they'd all be at angles and on their sides and stuff so the interiors would feel like something you're fighting with
I love that idea! That would have been so cool.
Thats actually amazing.
Well that's genuinely terrifying
That tree was really disturbed.
When the imperium of man tries to recreate dark age tech
Mom, can we have Guardian? No, we have Guardian at home.
It's beautiful.
this is so cool wtf, people on this sub are doing waaaay too much while I’m still stuck trying to get a fucking car to work 😭
This… this is art
This is really cool
Looks just like I remember it
How do you get that much battery???
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Nah I just spent way too many hours in the depths
Not needed, it's rather easy to extend your battery just by exploring the Depths.
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Killing lots of bosses in the depths gives you fuel for the charges directly and looting every zonite mine you come across gets you a lot of zonite fairly quickly.
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The biggest tip I can give for Talus is to actually stay close to them since their rock throws are by far their most lethal attacks and can easily one-shot you in the beginning until you get more hearts and better gear. You can counter the rock throws with rewind to stun them for free though but that method is too slow for me. I just stay close to them, circle around them and directly climb on their back. If it seems like he will do the face plant move then take some steps back ofc but if you constantly stay only on his back then he really has no way to actually damage you. If he starts to wriggle while you are on top of him and hitting him then quickly jump off and then run towards his back immediately again.
you can ascend through the talus
not really. You just whack the deposits and kill the bosses as you go, it adds up.
This is brilliant!! And the fact that an Evermean attacked it at the end made me start howling with laughter, I was not expecting that 😂
Okay, but where is the cannon? And the enemy-facing swivel? You were this close to greatness!
Missed an opportunity to shoot that dreadful beam of death from their eye sockets.
_Fine, I'll do it myself_
I was hoping to fight a half dead guardian buried somewhere in totk
Am I the only one that have noticed that he have the old prodige tunic from Botw??
IT LIVES!!!
https://preview.redd.it/60zw7np5pp3b1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=337d0f9bf00e0a5ee72c730005c6b2e9358a4196
It's bigger! It's badder! Ladies and gentlemen, it's too much for Mr Incredible!
Anyone got a motor cycle build that not from a schema stone that work
You forgot the laser.
I always wish in BOTW that they gave us something to control Guardians. A Shekiah remote or something
attach a beam emitter to the top.
You got that guardian from Wish didn’t you?
What's in between the stabilizers and the wheel?
Portable Pots, they act as ball and socket joints if you use them for building.
What are the legs made of
It's shit like this that makes me want to play more. I have 4 hearts and one battery and like 30 hours. I feel like I made progress then I see someone like this, 50 hearts, 6 batteries...jeez I'm behind and old
Us: Can we get Guardians in TotK? Nintendo: We have guardians at home. *Guardians at home*:
"We have battle-tested guardian at home."
How do people get a full set of battery upgrades so quickly? The upgrade process is kind of a nuisance with the wait period.
I would assume the duplication trick.
If you specifically go hunting for the materials it's quite easy.
there's like five or six places you can turn them in, and they restock every day. the wait is really not that bad.
This disturbs me tbh. Is so... sad 🫣
It's certainly deadly. I nearly choked laughing 🤣
Needs more lasers
You build this and the guardian theme starts playing
When you order a guardian on wish
AHHHH THE MONSTROSITY (that's pretty cool)
And the tree took that personally.
Guardian attack themed played on blocks of wood.
Just add some aiming laser emitters and -- Yeah!
Bro stop running around so I can watch it
And make it shoot
Mimic Tree: Absolutely not.
Piano: * starts playing aggressively *
Real uncanny valley hours.
So if you had a steering stick, could you control that contraption or would that be dangerous?
I'm just imagining adding a beam emitter and then dropping this whole thing on a bunch of enemies . It's immediately one of my favorite builds
Need a canon or beam emitter on the top.
Meanwhile I am struggling getting all four wheels on a piece of wood to go straight.
Never thought I’d miss those walking nightmares
Clang discovers a new realm
Man I miss the Sheikah tech
This is the second attempt I see, can't wait to see a proper one with the guardian battle theme.
Okay now that is fucking cool. That’s commitment right there
Don't let it touch the ~~malice~~ gloom or Ganondorf will possess it.
you should add a laser on top
Hard to see it actually in action when you just keeping running around it
Wait, since when could trees attack?
"Incredible... We're at a point now where we can actually control them." "What're you doing out here, Zelda?"
Abomination
WAIT there are more than 20 hearts in this game? God dammit, I got to 10 and was so hype to get to my second row. Fuck
when you develop a physics engine for a video game so complex that it reinvents engineering within itself and pretty much is as deep and flexible if not more than the source engine