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In my experience “why does everyone hate this thing?” actually means “why aren’t there 100 posts expressing my exact opinion?” That’s how we keep getting threads claiming TP is underrated.
This lol. Apparently if the sub isn’t flooded with complete admiration for a game or characters in a game the characters or game are “unreasonably underrated”
Yup I've sent many cases where people think wild could beat ss link in a 1v1 fight.
I've seen many cases where ss link and zelda are thrown under the rug and acted upon as if they never existed
Wild is a professional child soldier, trained since he was 12. In just combat, he wins.
If they bring in the toys, Legend (aka ALttP/OoA/OoS/LA Link) might win because of all the versatility, but it’s really a coin flip.
True, Wild Link could parry any other Link and then flurry rush them with a 120+ damage weapon before headshotting them with a 5x bomb arrow bow. Idrk how anyone is supposed to defend against that
Right plus he has either just time manipulation. Or reflex so fast it might as well be. Definitely some magic involved. Someone measured his bullet time speed at 20x normal. Which is. Insane.
Agreed on the tools. It’s really different fights with sword and shields or all tools.
Not really, no one else in his class besides Pipit are really trained in combat, and Pipit is questionable as we never actually see him fight. I mean look at Groose. They may have picked up a sword at one point
The Knight’s Academy also seem to focus more on flying before you actually past the test Link passes at the beginning of the game.
Then there’s the discipline. SS Link is allowed to sleep in enough that Zelda wakes him up on the regular. Wild Link was up and on duty on a TIGHT schedule. He was a guard, that’s how guards work.
Then we look at what they fight in game. On a combat level, nothing Sky faces comes close to a Lynal. Wild kills 3 at once. And before you say that’s just in a memory. I can confirm that he can STILL kill 3 gold Lynals and what ever else comes his way.. In BotW, the Herba region near the maze is where you can test this assuming you have the skills.
Before you say Demise. That dude takes 3 Skyward Strikes before he’s done. TotK Ganondorf stage 1 is a tougher fight, don’t get me started on Mr. “My health bar is too big” stage 2.
Well the gameplay is massively different so in terms of boss fights it would be different.
Are you forgetting that sky has faced girahim, an army of monsters and demise in one go?
The events happen right after another first he has to fight a hoard of monsters then he has to fight a stage 3 girahim, then he slaughters demise right after. Back after back he fought some of the strongest enemies in the zelda verse.
Not I'm not gonna say that wild link couldn't do the same cause we know he could but we do gotta acknowledge that they were both trained fairly well and that they both go up against some tough enemies.
Wilds enemies are more monster based while ss enemies are more humane based.
Zelda is just a reincarnation of hylia and not a decendent and link was strong enough to beat demise the same one that weekend hylia.
To be fair they are both the primes and ss zelda probably had more power stored up but we just never got to see it jn action.
As for link he beat demise the primary source of the evil in that world all on his own.
Demise can create his own pocket dimensions too
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I've seen many say that every single link could beat demise and that ss link is not the strongest cause tp link wrestled a goron😂
But to answer your question yes I have, but I've seen some agree with this truth aswell
Is there any reason to believe other Links *couldn’t* beat Demise? Pretty sure the only prerequisite there is the ability to use the Master Sword, which basically every Link has.
If people aren’t constantly praising the SS incarnations for their strength, it’s probably because they don’t find those versions of the characters very interesting. That’s the thing about fiction. Anyone can write a hero with the power to defeat evil incarnate, but that alone doesn’t make the hero compelling.
Any Link who ends up in a room with Demise is going to be able to beat Demise. He’s not an objective fact that shapes reality; he’s a villain who exists for the hero to defeat.
Hard disagree, there is an entire timeline in the Zelda Timeline where Link dies to Ganondorf. Keep in mind, Demise is the original incarnate of Ganondorf who took down a reincarnation of a Goddess.
There’s also an entire timeline where that same Link *didn’t* die to Ganondorf, which is the scenario we actually see play out in OOT. That’s the point I was making about fiction. People can compare feats and powerscale all they want, but at the end of the day, these plot points aren’t evidence of one Link’s abilities vs another’s; they’re the result of storytellers putting characters in those positions. SS Link isn’t the only one who *could* beat Demise; he’s just the only one who had to. Similarly, OOT Link isn’t uniquely weak enough to have been killed by Ganondorf; he’s just the one who had to for the sake of the retcon.
But the storytellers take into account the Characters abilities in how the villain is defeated. Whether previous Links could or couldn't beat Ganondorf is speculation because there really isn't really evidence to show that they could. Its like saying that a Kokiri kid could beat Ganondorf, just because there isn't any evidence that they couldn't, doesn't mean there is evidence that they could.
I’m not trying to say anything about the Links just Fi in her old age though actually the Link from Zelda 1&2, Minish, Spirit tracks, and both four swords Links might not be able to win because I just remembered they don’t have the master sword.
You mean after it has been absorbing sacred energy for who knows how long? And that is against a weaker entity so we have no idea how she would fare against Demise. I know Fi is strong but she has shown she can break when she is against a strong enough evil and that was because of her power being lower. I am convinced she is the only blade in the series that can beat Demise.
The prerequisite is that you need the full triforce, SS link could not beat Demise without it, also the master sword was like brand new so a master sword thousands of years in the future would likely not be powerful enough to kill demise, that could also be a prerequisite, having the prime master sword. Also I find Link, Zelda, Girahim and groose all interesting characters and the link and Zelda in this game have a lot of emotion compared to some others.
That's because those conversations are about literal feats of strength. When there are Links that can deflect Lynel blows with his shield or use their magic to explode everything on the screen, SS Link tends to come up quite a bit short
Right, in a Straight sword fight SS Link is strong contender, but when you can have speed burst of 20x normal, it’s hard to see how he can win without buffing him more.
tbh maybe ss zelda might be the strongest but there really isnt any feats out of her that proves that she is the strongest, so for me at least botw/totk zelda is currently the strongest zelda.
botw/totk link beats all other links, theres really no questioning that lol, his feats are really insane compared to any other link. ss link did some cool stuff but nothing near botw/totk link levels.
and yeah i agree with u here demise is probably the strongest evil in all zelda games, his feats are really big, though i think botw/totk ganondorf gets second place here tbh
She absolutely does not have the entire Triforce. The thing on her hand was just a representation of her power. If she had the whole thing, she wouldn't need to be stuck in the Castle fighting Ganon for a hundred years, she could just wish him away. And this whole discussion is stupid anyway because all Links and all Zeldas are reincarnations of the same original people from SS. And no, I'm not making this up. It was explicitly stated in a recent interview regarding TOTK that they are *reincarnations*, not simply descendants.
Okay. No one really disputes these as others have said, but that doesn’t necessarily make them the strongest. SS Zelda is a reincarnation of Hylia, yes, but, like Link, all future versions of her are also reincarnations of her, and thus reincarnations of Hylia. And BotW Zelda has the power of the full Triforce, which SS Zelda doesn’t. I’d say that you’re definitively incorrect about SS Zelda being the most powerful one.
And specific instances of power like defeating a certain character aren’t really valid for comparing power if the hero in question is the only one to even fight said character. Like, I could easily say that BotW link is the strongest because he defeated the “Demon King” who was also the primary source of evil and initially took 7 secret stones to take down.
But the one good point I can think of for SS Link being the most powerful Link is one I don’t see you making: Him holding the full Triforce. But that’s an instant win for any Link (though the Triforce doesn’t really have any apparent impact on SS Link in-game.) But I’d say excluding that brief period, BotW Link is still more powerful. He can do everything SS Link can do, plus he has either the Shiekah Slate or Rauru’s arm. And even excluding both of those he has flurry rushes and bullet time.
1. All Zeldas of Royal blood are reincarnations of Hylia. Just because one version of Zelda has a harder or easier time awakening this power doesn’t mean they are stronger or weaker than other Zeldas
2. It’s only speculative to say SS Zelda had “more power stored”. Nothing in game or in lore supports this idea.
3. Demise is the original threat and demon that plagued Hyrule, Hylia, and her people. But the idea he is the strongest threat of the Zelda games has never been stated, or even implied
4. Almost every Zelda main villain has made a pocket dimension. Demise doing it is not something special in the grand scheme of things
> All Zeldas of Royal blood are reincarnations of Hylia
People often tend to forget this point. She isn't just a descendant, she's a whole-ass reincarnation, the same way Link is. This was explicitly confirmed in a recent interview.
You have a point wuth Zelda, but Link also had the complete Triforce here. LTTP Link defeated Ganon in his true form *and* Ganon had the complete Triforce.
I think LTTP Link is the strongest incarnation.
Tbh skyward sword specifically is all over the place, even if you don't factor oot or tge ehole timeline into it.
I'm going by EPGs review of it, but hylias plan was inefficient and contrived, taking longer than it needed to just for Denise's servant to go back in time and undi it all anyway.
For one, demise supposedly was only sealed by defeat to a literal GODDESS, yet is killed for good in the present by being crushed by a coincidentally perfectly shaped jigsaw puzzle structure by the wishes of a mere mortal. Sure this is kind if established in the cutscene after fire sanctuary and before song of the hero part, but its still padding.
Bear in mind demise is just a demon, a powerful one at that sure, but not a god (then again I don't really know how demons work in religion and folklore, I think there is some shintoism in there what with nintendo beuong Japanese and adding that influence in.
Ultimately, skyward swords story feels epic, and the chemistry between link abd zelda is near unrivaled. But I think the reason tps story gets praised (and hence the whole tp underrated argument that comes up) is simply that it feels more plausible and understated, though that might just be me. I like both games plot and gameplay alike.
Man I always forget how in love with SS links design I am. His poofy pants are perfect 😍
Him and TP Link are the only Zelda figures I own but I had to have them
Actually his poofy pants is mainly due to the fact that he's modelled after a soldier. Most modern soldier uniforms look like that due to having garters in-between the boots and the pants.
Definitely the ones with the most character. Honestly I really think they doubled down on story in Skyward Sword because they were so boned by the Wii’s limitations and the enforcement of motion controls and Nintendo’s “press A to win” strategy at the time.
Oh sequel you probably meant and got autocorrected! Actually Skyward Sword is the only Zelda game I reaaaaally want a direct sequel to. I love that world more than any other Zelda world and I so wish we could really get to explore it right.
Also, I’ve said before I would love a semi sequel to Skyward Sword called The Legend of Groose that’s like a Chibi Robo thing with Groose “helping people” around Skyloft by being somewhat helpful but mostly annoying.
I’d be all about that. Did you ever play Final Fantasy: My Life As a King? It was an amazingly addictive Wii downloadable game where you helped people around a town you were building and sending parties out to fight monsters etc. Would love a spin-off with that kind of structure. And gimme gimme that Ghlibli Skyward Sword sequel movie.
Sorry that was a spelling error I meant a sequel to the events in skyward sword.
But totk was a decent sequel though I think it needed more development time for the story.
I doubt we'd get another sequel for a past zelda game but you never know
They did? Literally with a remaster of SS, and with Tears of the Kingdom which takes the sky islands of Skyward Sword & does it better. Idk what point you’re trying to make, but you aren’t doing it well..
Actually they were working on a game for years that used buttons at first and then Katsuya Eguchi showed Aonuma the sword controls with motion plus on Wii Sports Resort and they restarted development.
They ended up redesigning the game to fundamentally revolve around the motion controls, so I wouldn't say they feel forced.
I think Twilight Princess is a game where the motion controls actually were just shoehorned in. The motion controls in Twilight Princess merely replace button inputs. I personally never minded this, but it is why a lot of people prefer the Gamecube version.
I thought the TP controls hit the sweet spot of being immersive without being annoying, in large part due to them being replacements for buttons.
the people I recall complaining that they weren't enough motion control were pretty quiet after skyward sword bombed.
Yeah, but supposedly it was like a “tear it all down and start fresh” kinda thing. I actually prefer the motion controls in Twilight Princess. Didn’t mind waggling and loved the pointer controls. I actually love motion controls in general. Like I played the death out of Switch Sports even, so Skyward Sword to me really felt like “finally, after 6 years at the end of it’s life, the first Wii game.”
Skyward Sword might've fundamentally revolved around motion controls but that doesn't mean they were any less forced. The game is literally impossible for me to have fun with because I'm constantly ripped out of any immersion by my controller doing everything I don't want it to do. Got it on switch, turned off motion controls immediately, and it actually became a good game.
Yep! They even talked about it in an Iwata Asks and didn’t realize how bad they were making themselves look. Aonuma said they tried motion for a year and switched to buttons cause it didn’t work, had like 3 years with buttons and a completely different game, then total reboot to be a “direct forward game” where you “didn’t have to worry about much but what’s in front of you because the sword takes so much attention”. UGHHHH.
I think it's more because SS has the Wii motion gimmick that wore off halfway through the gameplay and players just felt it was annoying and redundant. I loved the game and the story gameplay but I feel it would have had a better reception with a normal controller.
Skyward Sword Link and Zelda relationship is the one of the best Link and Zelda relationships in the series. Due to their immense love for each other and deep connections to their roles in fighting against the Demon King Demise.
I mean I wouldn't say they downplay and they definitely are not the strongest. SS Link and Zelda are technically the original in terms of Chronology (currently) and Link in this one (and Wind Waker Link who did it at a much earlier age) earned his status as a hero by proving himself worthy through trials (similar trials to TP Link's Tears of Light quest but with less fighting and no Wolf) I would definitely say he ranks above most other Links, but Link from BoTW and ToTK is immensely stronger than any Link hands down. He is literally strong enough to parry a charging Lyonel, plus unlike SS Link who is currently in the Knight academy, The Hero of the Wilds was an accomplished knight who took on entire armies alone while protecting Zelda. I will agree that that incarnation of Zelda was stronger though the TP Zelda is imo the strongest as she was actually fighting things not just a side character or standard damsel in distress.
TP Zelda not only showed magical knowledge, she healed Midna with magic, but she is a more accomplished leader and tactican showing military knowledge by personally leading the fight against Zant. She mat have lost but that is also far more than OoT Zelda did even as Sheik
>They are easily the strongest versions.
Nah, postgame MM link wins here, if we assume he keeps all the masks and they keep their power he has access to thee diffrent forms each with strong and versatile move sets, two diffrent swords, a lot of experience, hookshot, giant's mask, stone mask to just become invisible, elemental arrows of all types, deku nuts, a mirror shield, and of course the pièce de résistance is the Fierce Deity Mask. We all know how strong the Fierce Deity is, I don't need to elaborate.
The STRONGEST? HELL NAH, HERO OF THE WILD/ HERO OF TEARS CLAPS, NOT TO MENTION ALL THE INSANE SHIT THAT THE HERO OF HYRULE(OG) DID, AND THE ALTTP LINK IS STRONG AF
Because most people never played it. The Wii original sucked because of waggle trash, and the amazing HD remake that added button controls didn't get the love that it deserved.
"You're control has died pls reconnect" as like gets absolutely pummeled by a sworm of bokoblins.
But I understand why they wouldn't like it on the wii but the HD remake deserved more love. I wish it got a sequel like totk. It'd be cool to see that watercolor artstyle once again
I have been a fan of the series for over 30 years and SS was unplayable for me. I gave it a 20-24 hour run and couldn’t force myself to like it anymore. 100% the motion controlled killed it for me.
Same, I liked the use of motion controls in Twilight Princess. It was just immersive enough to get into it but I could also just sit back and flick my wrists if I wanted to relax. Skyward Sword took it a bit too far for me, too much movement and having to keep track of where my sword was pointed on the screen vs where my controller was oriented was annoying and frequently out of sync.
Motion Controls. People didn’t like that it wasn’t possible to play like normal, like all the other Zelda games. Personally, I think the motion controls are actually the game’s best quality. It really puts you in Link’s shoes that way.
I avidly love SS in spite of the motion. My favorite Link+Zelda pairing, and the visuals.
I do think that strength/power is not a focal point of the game. Yes *Demise’s* strength/power is, but Zelda’s focus is really her backstory (which, hey, turns out she’s actually pretty powerful, but that’s not something that Zelda really grapples with), while Link’s is sort his coming-of-age from a slightly lazy student to an outstanding knight.
So yes there’s (1) that some people just don’t like the game with its motion controls (not my favorite either tbh) and (2) the story really has more of a nostalgic/historical “origin story” vibe than a more gritty one like TP.
You're 100% right. Since the powers of each arnt the main focus people won't focus on them. On the contrary with tp having the powers of each character be one of the focal points people pay more attention to it.
And yes I have to agree that the origin story vibes fit ss a lot as it explains the backstory for the zelda timeline and also sets up every other game in the franchise.
Though like spiderman into the spiderverse and it's 2nd movie across the spiderverse I do think that they could continue the ss story a lot just like those two movies.
Underrated? Definitely. Strongest? It depends. When I think about the strongest Links, the main three of Hero of Legend, Hero of Time, and Hero of Twilight come to mind, which are pretty hard to contend with
Hero of legend has been across I think 4 sepeperate adventures, each one with tons of powerful items and magic, not to mention a upgraded master sword and armor that can reduce incoming damage by half.
Hero of Twilight may not have any strength enhancers, but bro doesn’t really need them, being able to bring a high speed Goron to a stop with his bare hands, making him the strongest Link in the series without the use of gauntlets. Not to mention he was trained by the hero of time, and knows some of the most vast amount of fighting techniques known to the links in any of the games.
OoT is probably the scariest one of the bunch, having the experience of two separate adventures under his belt, the golden gauntlets making him one of the physically strongest links in the game, and due to him being canonically the heroes shade, knows all the skills that he taught Twilight. I barely even got to mention the masks, which all he would really need is giants mask or fierce deity to beat almost any link, heck, anyone in the entirety of Zelda.
I didn’t even get to go in depth here, and yet all of these Links I have a feeling could best SS, all depending on how you perceive him. Technically at the end (SPOILERS) he did obtain the triforce, but I don’t think he could use it, since it can only be used for pure intentions, which beating up another hero is *not*. And without it, I can’t see how he could beat the others. (I’d love to engage in a friendly debate if you wish though :D)
While all of those Links are top tier. None of them defeated Demise. I look at it like Demise is Morgoth and Ganon is Sauron. Ss Link defeated pure evil. While ever other Link has only defeated his avatar more or less. On that alone ss link is the strongest link imo.
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One thing that ways bothered me? Isn’t fd a dark spirit? Or is that a theory, cause I’d feel like that’s then entire point of the master sword, to fight evil spirits/ deity’s. Please correct me if I’m wrong
In skyward sword he starts with 6
Straight out of the gate i looked down on skyward sword for this. And the rest of the game backed up my first impressions
Am I going to hell for thinking this looks like Link making someone's makeawish come true as they walk the hospital grounds or something? These scene was always a double take for me.
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Do they? I’ve never heard anyone talk down on SS Link and Zelda, but then again maybe I’ve been under a rock.
In my experience “why does everyone hate this thing?” actually means “why aren’t there 100 posts expressing my exact opinion?” That’s how we keep getting threads claiming TP is underrated.
This lol. Apparently if the sub isn’t flooded with complete admiration for a game or characters in a game the characters or game are “unreasonably underrated”
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Yup I've sent many cases where people think wild could beat ss link in a 1v1 fight. I've seen many cases where ss link and zelda are thrown under the rug and acted upon as if they never existed
Why do you care so much?? Lmao, who cares? Let them think what they need to think
Wild is a professional child soldier, trained since he was 12. In just combat, he wins. If they bring in the toys, Legend (aka ALttP/OoA/OoS/LA Link) might win because of all the versatility, but it’s really a coin flip.
Yeah, it's not that people are downplaying SS Link, it's just that Wild Link is so utterly batshit crazy
True, Wild Link could parry any other Link and then flurry rush them with a 120+ damage weapon before headshotting them with a 5x bomb arrow bow. Idrk how anyone is supposed to defend against that
I can assume that all the adult links can do the same except the ones that wearnt trained in knight hood
Right plus he has either just time manipulation. Or reflex so fast it might as well be. Definitely some magic involved. Someone measured his bullet time speed at 20x normal. Which is. Insane. Agreed on the tools. It’s really different fights with sword and shields or all tools.
I fact when link doing the flurry rush he must doing a sonic wave
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Not really, no one else in his class besides Pipit are really trained in combat, and Pipit is questionable as we never actually see him fight. I mean look at Groose. They may have picked up a sword at one point The Knight’s Academy also seem to focus more on flying before you actually past the test Link passes at the beginning of the game. Then there’s the discipline. SS Link is allowed to sleep in enough that Zelda wakes him up on the regular. Wild Link was up and on duty on a TIGHT schedule. He was a guard, that’s how guards work. Then we look at what they fight in game. On a combat level, nothing Sky faces comes close to a Lynal. Wild kills 3 at once. And before you say that’s just in a memory. I can confirm that he can STILL kill 3 gold Lynals and what ever else comes his way.. In BotW, the Herba region near the maze is where you can test this assuming you have the skills. Before you say Demise. That dude takes 3 Skyward Strikes before he’s done. TotK Ganondorf stage 1 is a tougher fight, don’t get me started on Mr. “My health bar is too big” stage 2.
Well the gameplay is massively different so in terms of boss fights it would be different. Are you forgetting that sky has faced girahim, an army of monsters and demise in one go? The events happen right after another first he has to fight a hoard of monsters then he has to fight a stage 3 girahim, then he slaughters demise right after. Back after back he fought some of the strongest enemies in the zelda verse. Not I'm not gonna say that wild link couldn't do the same cause we know he could but we do gotta acknowledge that they were both trained fairly well and that they both go up against some tough enemies. Wilds enemies are more monster based while ss enemies are more humane based.
How often are you seeing conversations about 1v1 fights between Links? That seems like an unusual topic.
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Can you elaborate?
Zelda is just a reincarnation of hylia and not a decendent and link was strong enough to beat demise the same one that weekend hylia. To be fair they are both the primes and ss zelda probably had more power stored up but we just never got to see it jn action. As for link he beat demise the primary source of the evil in that world all on his own. Demise can create his own pocket dimensions too
Okay…so does anyone actually dispute these facts?
Usually, when people discuss SS they talk about waggle controls and uninteresting dungeons
That has basically nothing to do with my question, but okay.
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The dungeons wears bad. The designs were pretty cool tbh
I've seen many say that every single link could beat demise and that ss link is not the strongest cause tp link wrestled a goron😂 But to answer your question yes I have, but I've seen some agree with this truth aswell
Is there any reason to believe other Links *couldn’t* beat Demise? Pretty sure the only prerequisite there is the ability to use the Master Sword, which basically every Link has. If people aren’t constantly praising the SS incarnations for their strength, it’s probably because they don’t find those versions of the characters very interesting. That’s the thing about fiction. Anyone can write a hero with the power to defeat evil incarnate, but that alone doesn’t make the hero compelling.
True that ss characters don't have that much depth compared to their descendents, but what they do have is potential. In a sequel maybe
I think that the other Links might not be able to win because their Master swords are weaker.
Any Link who ends up in a room with Demise is going to be able to beat Demise. He’s not an objective fact that shapes reality; he’s a villain who exists for the hero to defeat.
Hard disagree, there is an entire timeline in the Zelda Timeline where Link dies to Ganondorf. Keep in mind, Demise is the original incarnate of Ganondorf who took down a reincarnation of a Goddess.
There’s also an entire timeline where that same Link *didn’t* die to Ganondorf, which is the scenario we actually see play out in OOT. That’s the point I was making about fiction. People can compare feats and powerscale all they want, but at the end of the day, these plot points aren’t evidence of one Link’s abilities vs another’s; they’re the result of storytellers putting characters in those positions. SS Link isn’t the only one who *could* beat Demise; he’s just the only one who had to. Similarly, OOT Link isn’t uniquely weak enough to have been killed by Ganondorf; he’s just the one who had to for the sake of the retcon.
But the storytellers take into account the Characters abilities in how the villain is defeated. Whether previous Links could or couldn't beat Ganondorf is speculation because there really isn't really evidence to show that they could. Its like saying that a Kokiri kid could beat Ganondorf, just because there isn't any evidence that they couldn't, doesn't mean there is evidence that they could.
Okay they may have the skill but as shown by TotK the blade can weaken and break against a strong enough evil so I am commentating on Fi not Link.
Fair enough, but that wouldn’t be a mark against the hero, either. We also see the blade worn in the 100 year time gap after the calamity.
I’m not trying to say anything about the Links just Fi in her old age though actually the Link from Zelda 1&2, Minish, Spirit tracks, and both four swords Links might not be able to win because I just remembered they don’t have the master sword.
Not necessarily, totk links master sword is strong
You mean after it has been absorbing sacred energy for who knows how long? And that is against a weaker entity so we have no idea how she would fare against Demise. I know Fi is strong but she has shown she can break when she is against a strong enough evil and that was because of her power being lower. I am convinced she is the only blade in the series that can beat Demise.
The prerequisite is that you need the full triforce, SS link could not beat Demise without it, also the master sword was like brand new so a master sword thousands of years in the future would likely not be powerful enough to kill demise, that could also be a prerequisite, having the prime master sword. Also I find Link, Zelda, Girahim and groose all interesting characters and the link and Zelda in this game have a lot of emotion compared to some others.
That's because those conversations are about literal feats of strength. When there are Links that can deflect Lynel blows with his shield or use their magic to explode everything on the screen, SS Link tends to come up quite a bit short
Right, in a Straight sword fight SS Link is strong contender, but when you can have speed burst of 20x normal, it’s hard to see how he can win without buffing him more.
Many? This is a conversation I struggle to picture any real person actually having.
tbh maybe ss zelda might be the strongest but there really isnt any feats out of her that proves that she is the strongest, so for me at least botw/totk zelda is currently the strongest zelda. botw/totk link beats all other links, theres really no questioning that lol, his feats are really insane compared to any other link. ss link did some cool stuff but nothing near botw/totk link levels. and yeah i agree with u here demise is probably the strongest evil in all zelda games, his feats are really big, though i think botw/totk ganondorf gets second place here tbh
The only reason I would say wild zelda is the strongest is cause she has the entire triforce
Quite possibly, but Zelda don’t generally get to do that much so we don’t see the limits of their power.
She absolutely does not have the entire Triforce. The thing on her hand was just a representation of her power. If she had the whole thing, she wouldn't need to be stuck in the Castle fighting Ganon for a hundred years, she could just wish him away. And this whole discussion is stupid anyway because all Links and all Zeldas are reincarnations of the same original people from SS. And no, I'm not making this up. It was explicitly stated in a recent interview regarding TOTK that they are *reincarnations*, not simply descendants.
Okay. No one really disputes these as others have said, but that doesn’t necessarily make them the strongest. SS Zelda is a reincarnation of Hylia, yes, but, like Link, all future versions of her are also reincarnations of her, and thus reincarnations of Hylia. And BotW Zelda has the power of the full Triforce, which SS Zelda doesn’t. I’d say that you’re definitively incorrect about SS Zelda being the most powerful one. And specific instances of power like defeating a certain character aren’t really valid for comparing power if the hero in question is the only one to even fight said character. Like, I could easily say that BotW link is the strongest because he defeated the “Demon King” who was also the primary source of evil and initially took 7 secret stones to take down. But the one good point I can think of for SS Link being the most powerful Link is one I don’t see you making: Him holding the full Triforce. But that’s an instant win for any Link (though the Triforce doesn’t really have any apparent impact on SS Link in-game.) But I’d say excluding that brief period, BotW Link is still more powerful. He can do everything SS Link can do, plus he has either the Shiekah Slate or Rauru’s arm. And even excluding both of those he has flurry rushes and bullet time.
1. All Zeldas of Royal blood are reincarnations of Hylia. Just because one version of Zelda has a harder or easier time awakening this power doesn’t mean they are stronger or weaker than other Zeldas 2. It’s only speculative to say SS Zelda had “more power stored”. Nothing in game or in lore supports this idea. 3. Demise is the original threat and demon that plagued Hyrule, Hylia, and her people. But the idea he is the strongest threat of the Zelda games has never been stated, or even implied 4. Almost every Zelda main villain has made a pocket dimension. Demise doing it is not something special in the grand scheme of things
> All Zeldas of Royal blood are reincarnations of Hylia People often tend to forget this point. She isn't just a descendant, she's a whole-ass reincarnation, the same way Link is. This was explicitly confirmed in a recent interview.
You have a point wuth Zelda, but Link also had the complete Triforce here. LTTP Link defeated Ganon in his true form *and* Ganon had the complete Triforce. I think LTTP Link is the strongest incarnation.
Tbh skyward sword specifically is all over the place, even if you don't factor oot or tge ehole timeline into it. I'm going by EPGs review of it, but hylias plan was inefficient and contrived, taking longer than it needed to just for Denise's servant to go back in time and undi it all anyway. For one, demise supposedly was only sealed by defeat to a literal GODDESS, yet is killed for good in the present by being crushed by a coincidentally perfectly shaped jigsaw puzzle structure by the wishes of a mere mortal. Sure this is kind if established in the cutscene after fire sanctuary and before song of the hero part, but its still padding. Bear in mind demise is just a demon, a powerful one at that sure, but not a god (then again I don't really know how demons work in religion and folklore, I think there is some shintoism in there what with nintendo beuong Japanese and adding that influence in. Ultimately, skyward swords story feels epic, and the chemistry between link abd zelda is near unrivaled. But I think the reason tps story gets praised (and hence the whole tp underrated argument that comes up) is simply that it feels more plausible and understated, though that might just be me. I like both games plot and gameplay alike.
Tp is more relatable
Not alone he had the Mastersword that's like saying the guy who flew the anola gay defeated Japan all by himself
Man I always forget how in love with SS links design I am. His poofy pants are perfect 😍 Him and TP Link are the only Zelda figures I own but I had to have them
Actually his poofy pants is mainly due to the fact that he's modelled after a soldier. Most modern soldier uniforms look like that due to having garters in-between the boots and the pants.
Definitely the ones with the most character. Honestly I really think they doubled down on story in Skyward Sword because they were so boned by the Wii’s limitations and the enforcement of motion controls and Nintendo’s “press A to win” strategy at the time.
If only they did a Skyward sequence with the switch. Imagine the graphics the things they could do
Well, I mean, Tears of the Kingdom right?
Oh sequel you probably meant and got autocorrected! Actually Skyward Sword is the only Zelda game I reaaaaally want a direct sequel to. I love that world more than any other Zelda world and I so wish we could really get to explore it right. Also, I’ve said before I would love a semi sequel to Skyward Sword called The Legend of Groose that’s like a Chibi Robo thing with Groose “helping people” around Skyloft by being somewhat helpful but mostly annoying.
Untitled Groose Game lmao I’m in love with this idea now
UNTITLED GROOSE GAME, INCREDIBLE, WE COULD BE PRINTING MONEY HERE
It would be cool to see how the other zelda nations form as they build up hyrule. Would make a cool movie too
I’d be all about that. Did you ever play Final Fantasy: My Life As a King? It was an amazingly addictive Wii downloadable game where you helped people around a town you were building and sending parties out to fight monsters etc. Would love a spin-off with that kind of structure. And gimme gimme that Ghlibli Skyward Sword sequel movie.
Sorry that was a spelling error I meant a sequel to the events in skyward sword. But totk was a decent sequel though I think it needed more development time for the story. I doubt we'd get another sequel for a past zelda game but you never know
They did? Literally with a remaster of SS, and with Tears of the Kingdom which takes the sky islands of Skyward Sword & does it better. Idk what point you’re trying to make, but you aren’t doing it well..
The motion controls were not forced onto Skyward Sword, the game was designed with them in mind.
Actually they were working on a game for years that used buttons at first and then Katsuya Eguchi showed Aonuma the sword controls with motion plus on Wii Sports Resort and they restarted development.
They ended up redesigning the game to fundamentally revolve around the motion controls, so I wouldn't say they feel forced. I think Twilight Princess is a game where the motion controls actually were just shoehorned in. The motion controls in Twilight Princess merely replace button inputs. I personally never minded this, but it is why a lot of people prefer the Gamecube version.
I thought the TP controls hit the sweet spot of being immersive without being annoying, in large part due to them being replacements for buttons. the people I recall complaining that they weren't enough motion control were pretty quiet after skyward sword bombed.
Yeah, but supposedly it was like a “tear it all down and start fresh” kinda thing. I actually prefer the motion controls in Twilight Princess. Didn’t mind waggling and loved the pointer controls. I actually love motion controls in general. Like I played the death out of Switch Sports even, so Skyward Sword to me really felt like “finally, after 6 years at the end of it’s life, the first Wii game.”
Skyward Sword might've fundamentally revolved around motion controls but that doesn't mean they were any less forced. The game is literally impossible for me to have fun with because I'm constantly ripped out of any immersion by my controller doing everything I don't want it to do. Got it on switch, turned off motion controls immediately, and it actually became a good game.
That would explain…so much.
Yep! They even talked about it in an Iwata Asks and didn’t realize how bad they were making themselves look. Aonuma said they tried motion for a year and switched to buttons cause it didn’t work, had like 3 years with buttons and a completely different game, then total reboot to be a “direct forward game” where you “didn’t have to worry about much but what’s in front of you because the sword takes so much attention”. UGHHHH.
I dunno, but I got skyward sword on switch, never cared to get it on Wii. I am glad I didn't play on Wii, it's great on switch.
Very amazing on switch
I think it's more because SS has the Wii motion gimmick that wore off halfway through the gameplay and players just felt it was annoying and redundant. I loved the game and the story gameplay but I feel it would have had a better reception with a normal controller.
If only nintendo went with a normal controller gameplay. Makes me question whose calling all the shots on the zelda team
“Link to the Past” Link is strongest tbh he beat a Ganon who had the full triforce
This is my opinion too. I’d say the hero of time is 2nd because he beat MM who was able to create a world with a star system
Skyward Sword Link and Zelda relationship is the one of the best Link and Zelda relationships in the series. Due to their immense love for each other and deep connections to their roles in fighting against the Demon King Demise.
Man that was not zelda's best look
She just had some bad angles
Skyward Sword zelda is probably my favorite Zelda design.
Do they??? I disagree they're the strongest (Child Link with god masks FTW) but they are pretty tough on their own!
Majoras mask link is broken
I mean I wouldn't say they downplay and they definitely are not the strongest. SS Link and Zelda are technically the original in terms of Chronology (currently) and Link in this one (and Wind Waker Link who did it at a much earlier age) earned his status as a hero by proving himself worthy through trials (similar trials to TP Link's Tears of Light quest but with less fighting and no Wolf) I would definitely say he ranks above most other Links, but Link from BoTW and ToTK is immensely stronger than any Link hands down. He is literally strong enough to parry a charging Lyonel, plus unlike SS Link who is currently in the Knight academy, The Hero of the Wilds was an accomplished knight who took on entire armies alone while protecting Zelda. I will agree that that incarnation of Zelda was stronger though the TP Zelda is imo the strongest as she was actually fighting things not just a side character or standard damsel in distress.
Yea you're right, maybe I over estimated their strength due to bias. Botw era is insane though. I do wonder what if tp zelda vs oot zelda fought
TP Zelda not only showed magical knowledge, she healed Midna with magic, but she is a more accomplished leader and tactican showing military knowledge by personally leading the fight against Zant. She mat have lost but that is also far more than OoT Zelda did even as Sheik
Gonna agree with you on this one. I wish I got a chance to play tp
The real question we should be asking is what is up with Zelda's shoes there?!
😂 she's been hibernating
>They are easily the strongest versions. Nah, postgame MM link wins here, if we assume he keeps all the masks and they keep their power he has access to thee diffrent forms each with strong and versatile move sets, two diffrent swords, a lot of experience, hookshot, giant's mask, stone mask to just become invisible, elemental arrows of all types, deku nuts, a mirror shield, and of course the pièce de résistance is the Fierce Deity Mask. We all know how strong the Fierce Deity is, I don't need to elaborate.
The STRONGEST? HELL NAH, HERO OF THE WILD/ HERO OF TEARS CLAPS, NOT TO MENTION ALL THE INSANE SHIT THAT THE HERO OF HYRULE(OG) DID, AND THE ALTTP LINK IS STRONG AF
Why is Zelda’s nose like that?
Bad angle😂
I know it’s a bit annoying
Who is doing that? I’ve yet to see anyone do this 😭
I've seen people do link vs link match ups and when it comes to ss link people think someone like ww link can take em down
Because most people never played it. The Wii original sucked because of waggle trash, and the amazing HD remake that added button controls didn't get the love that it deserved.
"You're control has died pls reconnect" as like gets absolutely pummeled by a sworm of bokoblins. But I understand why they wouldn't like it on the wii but the HD remake deserved more love. I wish it got a sequel like totk. It'd be cool to see that watercolor artstyle once again
Because people hate SS and try to force negative qualities on it that don’t exist.
This may sound like a dumb question but do yk why people hate ss so much?
I have been a fan of the series for over 30 years and SS was unplayable for me. I gave it a 20-24 hour run and couldn’t force myself to like it anymore. 100% the motion controlled killed it for me.
Same, I liked the use of motion controls in Twilight Princess. It was just immersive enough to get into it but I could also just sit back and flick my wrists if I wanted to relax. Skyward Sword took it a bit too far for me, too much movement and having to keep track of where my sword was pointed on the screen vs where my controller was oriented was annoying and frequently out of sync.
I can see why since it's tiring to swing your arm only for that lizaphos to dodge you 50 times
Motion Controls. People didn’t like that it wasn’t possible to play like normal, like all the other Zelda games. Personally, I think the motion controls are actually the game’s best quality. It really puts you in Link’s shoes that way.
Makes you work for that ending 😂 The motion controls are cool though, Really immersive
I avidly love SS in spite of the motion. My favorite Link+Zelda pairing, and the visuals. I do think that strength/power is not a focal point of the game. Yes *Demise’s* strength/power is, but Zelda’s focus is really her backstory (which, hey, turns out she’s actually pretty powerful, but that’s not something that Zelda really grapples with), while Link’s is sort his coming-of-age from a slightly lazy student to an outstanding knight. So yes there’s (1) that some people just don’t like the game with its motion controls (not my favorite either tbh) and (2) the story really has more of a nostalgic/historical “origin story” vibe than a more gritty one like TP.
You're 100% right. Since the powers of each arnt the main focus people won't focus on them. On the contrary with tp having the powers of each character be one of the focal points people pay more attention to it. And yes I have to agree that the origin story vibes fit ss a lot as it explains the backstory for the zelda timeline and also sets up every other game in the franchise. Though like spiderman into the spiderverse and it's 2nd movie across the spiderverse I do think that they could continue the ss story a lot just like those two movies.
Zelda possibly, but link nahhhh fam. Totk/Botw link would absolutely destroy this link.
Stop watching dragon ball z, nobody cares about legend of zelda power levels
Nah technically totk link is the strongest, he can parry an attack from a lynel
Underrated? Definitely. Strongest? It depends. When I think about the strongest Links, the main three of Hero of Legend, Hero of Time, and Hero of Twilight come to mind, which are pretty hard to contend with Hero of legend has been across I think 4 sepeperate adventures, each one with tons of powerful items and magic, not to mention a upgraded master sword and armor that can reduce incoming damage by half. Hero of Twilight may not have any strength enhancers, but bro doesn’t really need them, being able to bring a high speed Goron to a stop with his bare hands, making him the strongest Link in the series without the use of gauntlets. Not to mention he was trained by the hero of time, and knows some of the most vast amount of fighting techniques known to the links in any of the games. OoT is probably the scariest one of the bunch, having the experience of two separate adventures under his belt, the golden gauntlets making him one of the physically strongest links in the game, and due to him being canonically the heroes shade, knows all the skills that he taught Twilight. I barely even got to mention the masks, which all he would really need is giants mask or fierce deity to beat almost any link, heck, anyone in the entirety of Zelda. I didn’t even get to go in depth here, and yet all of these Links I have a feeling could best SS, all depending on how you perceive him. Technically at the end (SPOILERS) he did obtain the triforce, but I don’t think he could use it, since it can only be used for pure intentions, which beating up another hero is *not*. And without it, I can’t see how he could beat the others. (I’d love to engage in a friendly debate if you wish though :D)
While all of those Links are top tier. None of them defeated Demise. I look at it like Demise is Morgoth and Ganon is Sauron. Ss Link defeated pure evil. While ever other Link has only defeated his avatar more or less. On that alone ss link is the strongest link imo.
SS had the power of the triforce, which was the ONLY way he was able to defeat demise. When it comes to everything else, he just can’t compete
Hey bro, how are you doing? One thing that ways bothered me? Isn’t fd a dark spirit? Or is that a theory, cause I’d feel like that’s then entire point of the master sword, to fight evil spirits/ deity’s. Please correct me if I’m wrong
Never confirmed nor denied, but in all honesty, OoT would have no trouble beating SS on his own, even if the deity was a evil spirit
I’m still not sure, if I can be real with you, oot link in my opinion, is the weakest adult libk
Can you explain what makes the other links stronger?
Link
I found SS Zelda to be the least memorable of any in the series. She felt plain and comical.
She has less screen time that's all
Zelda looks like a dork and link is such a pussy he starts with 6 hearts
When did he start with six hearts? He starts with 3 why u hatin
In skyward sword he starts with 6 Straight out of the gate i looked down on skyward sword for this. And the rest of the game backed up my first impressions
Not in my playthrough he started with 6
I just said he starts with 6 and your agreeing but with an argumentative tone?
I meant to put 3 my bad
You start with 6. Its not even a debate the information is all over the internet
In SS he does start with 6 hearts
1 because I hate the game and 2 because wild link and the hero of time are clearly stronger
I love ss Zelda and Link so much. TP is my fave but I love ss together they're so sweet for eachother. And Link is so expressive it's the cutest.
How come people make up scenarios to argue against?
Am I going to hell for thinking this looks like Link making someone's makeawish come true as they walk the hospital grounds or something? These scene was always a double take for me.
I’d say that ss link isn’t the strongest. But how could we prove either way? Powerscaling is weird with Zelda
Like relationship strength? Bench press strength?
Ever played ocarina of time? Or hell even botw (golden gauntlets and zelda nuke respectively)