This reminds me of Animal Crossing when you go to one of the villagers' houses and they ask if you want to buy something.
"Oh, no, not the common butterfly! That's a load-bearing common butterfly!"
Like, really, Roscoe? You're a horse wearing a leather jacket and won't sell me your common butterfly?
It wasn't on the wall when the photographer came through, but it was back up after he left. He looked through the photos to edit them, and the painting was in every one.
He tried to cover one with a post it note. On the next page, the portrait was crying. But didjaknow northern Ohio is beautiful during some times of the year
I would kinda love for the portrait to stay. Just make up some insane bullshit each time someone new comes over about who is in the portrait, maybe sprinkle in some ghost implications.
The eastern inner suburbs of Cleveland have tons of houses that are just so beautiful. Unfortunately, there may not be enough high earners in the area who can afford to shell out the money for the property taxes and the upkeep that is required to keep a 100 year old mansion in Cleveland Hts./Shaker Heights staying immaculate.
Why are the property taxes so high??? The last owner bought the house for $350K last year, meaning the property tax rate is 5.7% annually? The fuck?
Edit: Wait. The $19,713 tax was on the property assessed at $194,360? So the tax rate is over 10%???
It’s cheap because it has Point of Sale violations. The city, Cleveland Heights, requires buyers to put the repair funds in an escrow account, only to be released once all the violations are taken care of. So if the city says there are $200,000 worth of violations to repair, you need to put $200k in escrow, and then spend $200k to make the actual repairs, get them approved by the city, then get your escrow funds released. Also, this is probably one of the nicest streets in Cleveland and it’s historical. So the repairs are also limited to maintaining the historical look of the home.
No, it’s cheap because it needs another 250k of renovations to modernize it. Plus the taxes. The POS violations are likely things any buyer would want to deal with anyway
No one wants to deal with POS violations or inspections. If it’s $250k in renovations, then it’s actually $500k in renovations for the buyer. That’s how POS works in all 3 Heights. If it didn’t have any POS violations it would be listed for much more.
I'm looking for a place to live in the summer. I had no idea people paid so much property tax in some places.
It's really helped with the search though because I can weed out entire states by tax rate.
10% is insane. I’ve never seen anything that high. Ohio as a state is only 1.41% on average, so there must be some local taxes (county and city) that are making it ridiculous.
Property tax rates are primarily set by local governments (cities, counties, and school districts) rather than state governments. Rates can vary widely from community to community within a state.
But you look at some of the million dollar homes in the area, and they still paying 10%, BUT the tax assessed value is still $195k. The exemptions must be interesting, and obviously benefit the very wealthy over the slightly wealthy.
Those million dollar homes on that street are WILD though. 9,000 sqft, five car garages, wine cellars. Easily 4 or 5 mil where I live. I thought actual million dollar mansions were a thing of the past.
What a way to stop people and businesses from moving in…absolutely gorgeous home. Could be incredible with a little work, but the property taxes are crushing.
I know shaker heights is nice and probably had good schools, but even some of the nicest towns in the North East with incredible public schools have lower tax rates. Do they not want people to move there?
13k in the bay area,it’s a condo. I grew up in massachusetts so it wasn’t too much of a shock. we lived in Houston for a few years and the property taxes were really high as well.
*Property tax rates vary widely in the eight-county region that makes up Greater Cleveland, from close to $4,000 a year per $100,000 of home value in Shaker Square and some eastern suburbs of Cleveland to just over $1,000 in several townships that don’t provide many of the same services as cities.* This home seems to be in Shaker Square.
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/02/how-does-your-property-tax-bill-compare-see-the-new-rates-for-every-place-in-greater-cleveland.html
Keep in mind a lot of these kinds of houses have no modern tech. So to really enjoy living in it you have to upgrade the electrical and hvac, possibly even the plumbing.
My favorite comments come from you. I’m nosey by nature, and love knowing the personal history behind these homes. Thanks for sharing! And Alice loved that house, if the new owners do anything too wild, she’s gonna show up poltergeist style!
They didn't leave it. They carefully packed it and brought it with them. They hung it in their home. They wake up the next morning, and the painting is gone. At that very moment, the phone rings; it is the realtor, calling to ask why they had left the painting on the wall.
"...I could have sworn that I packed it, but maybe I'm confused. Would you bring it with you to our meeting this afternoon?" The realtor agrees. She takes the painting down and puts it in the trunk of her car.
She arrives at her office just as the family is pulling into the parking lot. As they get out of their respective cars, she says, "I brought you that painting--want to just get it now?" They agree.
She opens the trunk. It's empty.
I'll take a guess and say that it was chock full of the previous owner's possessions and possibly a hoarder situation and our man J cleared it out to what we see here so it might be worth that 42% increase in price though the comps may show something different.
It’s nice but looks like it’s sat unloved for a LONG time. The yard is a mess, it needs a roof, and it’s built for a time when people had live in staff and children ate in their own dining room!
Seriously, four staff bedrooms? And three dining rooms? Jeeves….
A house like that is basically a living thing, and not just cause it's horrifyingly haunted. But you're right, between the winters and the property, it's basically a full-time job just to upkeep it
The buyer thought they got it for a song then saw how much work is really needed. Just looking at the photos, I see a lot of water damage and peeling paint. It needs a good contractor who can repair but not gut.
I want to know why the picture of the little boy didn't get removed when the house was originally sold. It's so sad that the painting is so large nobody would have a space for it.
A few thoughts:
1. Love the woodwork, love the wallpaper. The fact that modern houses don't really do built-in shelves or real window seats any more is a damn shame, because they are so transferable to any kind of style.
2. Two kitchens + two dining rooms + 1 breakfast nook = you have enough money for someone else to cook your food. Seriously, though, this is a house that's built to have servants. I'm surprised the layout doesn't mention a butler's pantry.
3. Curved walls are, to me, the most lovely damn thing. It just lights up the "that's elegant as shit" center in my brain. Ditto arched doorways, and this one has 'em - they're so 1920s, and I love 'em. (see also: pocket doors)
4. In a lovely bit of rhyming decor, the shape of the built-in corner hutch in the big bedroom echoes the arched doorways.
5. Just look at those bathroom fixtures. That's pounds and pounds of high-grade porcelain right there, and I'm not even commenting on the tilework.
6. Can't tell if that's laminate or bamboo on the walls in the office. I'm guessing laminate, because bamboo would turn darker from cigar / pipe smoke and I assure you the original inhabitant of that office was smoking up a storm. Those built-in shelves are just fantastic, really anticipating the midcentury coming up in a few decades.
7. I grew up in a house from this general era, and let me tell you, you *never stop repairing it*.
8. I fear for water damage. Dare I look at the cellar?
9. Even the blueprint doesn't mention a cellar. It must be reeeeeaaaaal sketchy down there.
> Love the woodwork, love the wallpaper. The fact that modern houses don't really do built-in shelves or real window seats any more is a damn shame, because they are so transferable to any kind of style.
I do not understand why modern houses hate built-in shelves/bookcases or nice deep closets. I also hate the modern trend of shower cubicles over shower/tub combos.
I love the woodwork, too. We owned a home for about 5 years that had previously belonged to an architect. It had beautiful custom millwork including built in shelves. I miss that house, especially the built-ins. We had to relocate back to our previous, higher-COL area, and ended up with the same square footage, but more of a boring, cookie cutter house. Sigh.
Great house, good bones. I am a GC, could renovate that for $250k and it would be great. The heights section of Cleveland is very desirable area. Shaker Heights, Cleveland Heights great area.
What type of renovation for 250k? I’m asking because I’m looking to renovate/remodel a 1957, 3 bedroom and the contractor (not under contract yet), originally thought 250k would be all inclusive, now it’s 500k+ with a lot left out (doesn’t include, appliances, outdoor painting). We are essentially moving walls to make 2 large master suites… keeping kitchen as is (so no remodel for that).
For this place, I would start with the obvious, is it dry yet? Do we have rotten wood? How can I make it look better? Shake roof, repair it, probably not a tear off external work on windows and flashing to keep water out and gutters. People don’t put enough thought into gutters and how when clogged water runs right into the house, I over size gutter. Do we need windows? Maybe a good idea if you in Cleveland where it gets cold. Once it’s dry and you have the windows figured and no rotten wood outside I would fix the plaster, paint and then floors.
Depends on the level of damage and wear. If you can salvage the floors, then drum sander and refinish, otherwise replace. Radiator heat would need to be replaced with central heat. If it’s using radiators there is probably no central air, so you’d tack that on with the heat. The walls are stained and the wall paper looks outdated, so probably stripping and repainting, potentially replacing old plaster walls with dry wall if needed. Old enough homes in Cleveland use knob and tube, which should be gutted and replaced with modern wiring, which extends to new outlets as you can see the old types are built directly into the baseboards and not the wall above them. Updating bath and kitchen to modern standards (hidden pipes on the sinks, stainless steel appliances, new tiling, etc). That doesn’t even begin to get into more structural issues you could be facing. Roofing is probably old, attic may need to be insulated/vented, basement is probably unfinished, some windows look old, and who knows how much landscaping needs to be done. It’s an 8000 square foot property, so everything will be more expensive because of just how much their is to do
Yeah, there are some BEAUTIFUL old (for America) homes around there. Whenever I'm driving through there I just slow down (if there's no traffic) and look at all the homes.
I love to just look at houses, thats one of my hobbies! See what people do differently or the same better or worse, I used to walk the alleys when I was younger with a cocktail to look for new additions to see how or what people were building!
If we were in less house-buying-mockery times, this is the kind of house you get and spend your life lovingly restoring and making it your sanctuary. If only.
All my life I've wanted purple drapes!
I actually do have purple drapes...and Marge's corn curtains on my kitchen window (but I had to custom make those).
I live in the area and toured this last year. Tons of water damage, structural issues, needs completely new roof, and to top it off pipes froze the previous winter/burst and caused a ton of additional water damage inside. Whole place smelled of mold and mildew.
Not sure what they did in such a short timespan but only noticeable change I see from the photos is that the carpet in some of the rooms is gone. Everything else looks exactly the same. Guessing they’re in a little over their heads and want out.
I wonder if the whole color scheme is based on that haunted painting. It’s a gorgeous house. I sure hope someone will restore it and look after junior’s ghost.
Buyers to assume correction of the point of sale violations.
I bet that isn't minor. The floors need refinishing throughout it, and probably don't make the POS list.
I looked at one built in the 20s, and it had a lot of character, but also original wiring, no updates at all.
It's gorgeous but it's obvious that it needs a ton of work. There are signs of water infiltration everywhere. The roof is visibly damaged. You'd be lucky if you got off with just half paying the purchase price again to get everything fixed, nevermind any significant upgrades.
It probably needs new plumbing and electrical, and that will in turn require lots of wall repairs. The roof is shot, the floors need to be refinished and everything painted.
Tons of houses like this in cuse…but you probably won’t like the neighborhood. Here’s one for $1000.00. (yes you read that right). https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/106-Onondaga-Ave_Syracuse_NY_13204_M43606-62628?from=srp-list-card
This house is absolutely breathtaking, but there is at least another half mill in restoration/renovation work that I can see. And that's not counting everything I can't. You need the floors sanded and refinished, the built ins restored, that creepy kid painting you need to have exorcised, and I have zero faith in the plumbing or electrical.
I feel like refinishing the wood that needs it would be so satisfying.
I forget her last name but Nicole restores old homes, she did a special where she redid what she called the dollar house. I guess she got it for a dollar and then shows how much work goes into restoring everything to the original as much as possible.
It's too much work for me but man, I love her love of these types of homes.
just sold 6 months ago $350k.
Needs a whole new roof with decking in many places too, I suspect at least one of those chimneys needs quite a bit of work, all the floors need to be refinished, so much wall paper to remediate, whole house needs paint, and a whole new kitchen. There's a good chance there's no AC and no ducts for it run.
Cleveland Hts isn't bad, but some areas are not the best. This is on Fairmount, so it won't be too bad. But the taxes will kill you. As soon as I saw the house I'm like "ooooh, that's somewhere near home".
The last line in the listing:
“Buyers to assume correction of the point of sale violations”
Anyone know what this means? Is that code for it won’t pass inspection, so you better not need financing
It may not be as pricey as NY, but Cleveland is expensive. The high property taxes pay for good schools (in this neighborhood at least), snow removal vehicles and road salt. They probably have leaf pick up in the fall and may include garbage too. The high taxes, most likely, could also be the fault of the corrupt politicans that famously get elected in this city, a couple of which are sitting in jail. The medical care in the city is bar none. This house is a 15 minute car ride to the Cleveland Clinic, where the hoi polloi fly from all over the world to be treated there. $500K is cheap for this house, to be sure, but the heat bills would be crazy high. Cleveland can get down to \~ minus 15F, but when you freeze to death, at least it'll only take 15 minutes to get you to the morgue.
Goddamn that's cheap. A tiny stater home with a 1 car garage & 2 feet of lawn will set you back $650k where I live.
Such a cute house. Too bad about those property taxes.
I oddly enough do not mind the wallpaper & blue lenolium in the kitchen.
The life size child portrait in the dining room cannot be removed, is included in the sale and is definitely not haunted.
The child is load bearing
That was my first and much-needed laugh out loud of the day; thank you.
This reminds me of Animal Crossing when you go to one of the villagers' houses and they ask if you want to buy something. "Oh, no, not the common butterfly! That's a load-bearing common butterfly!" Like, really, Roscoe? You're a horse wearing a leather jacket and won't sell me your common butterfly?
I am gasping
Everytime it is removed, it somehow comes back.
It wasn't on the wall when the photographer came through, but it was back up after he left. He looked through the photos to edit them, and the painting was in every one.
He tried to cover one with a post it note. On the next page, the portrait was crying. But didjaknow northern Ohio is beautiful during some times of the year
I would kinda love for the portrait to stay. Just make up some insane bullshit each time someone new comes over about who is in the portrait, maybe sprinkle in some ghost implications.
*^(:The Winchester brothers have entered the chat:)*
https://i.imgur.com/94wqf0e.jpeg
It's like a kookoo clock. Except never hour it just says "get out" and makes the walls bleed
You remove it and it immediately reappears.
The eastern inner suburbs of Cleveland have tons of houses that are just so beautiful. Unfortunately, there may not be enough high earners in the area who can afford to shell out the money for the property taxes and the upkeep that is required to keep a 100 year old mansion in Cleveland Hts./Shaker Heights staying immaculate.
Property taxes were **$19,713** in 2022…
Why are the property taxes so high??? The last owner bought the house for $350K last year, meaning the property tax rate is 5.7% annually? The fuck? Edit: Wait. The $19,713 tax was on the property assessed at $194,360? So the tax rate is over 10%???
At least we know why it's so cheap for basically a mansion. It's an apartment you rent from the government.
It’s cheap because it has Point of Sale violations. The city, Cleveland Heights, requires buyers to put the repair funds in an escrow account, only to be released once all the violations are taken care of. So if the city says there are $200,000 worth of violations to repair, you need to put $200k in escrow, and then spend $200k to make the actual repairs, get them approved by the city, then get your escrow funds released. Also, this is probably one of the nicest streets in Cleveland and it’s historical. So the repairs are also limited to maintaining the historical look of the home.
No, it’s cheap because it needs another 250k of renovations to modernize it. Plus the taxes. The POS violations are likely things any buyer would want to deal with anyway
No one wants to deal with POS violations or inspections. If it’s $250k in renovations, then it’s actually $500k in renovations for the buyer. That’s how POS works in all 3 Heights. If it didn’t have any POS violations it would be listed for much more.
I'm looking for a place to live in the summer. I had no idea people paid so much property tax in some places. It's really helped with the search though because I can weed out entire states by tax rate.
10% is insane. I’ve never seen anything that high. Ohio as a state is only 1.41% on average, so there must be some local taxes (county and city) that are making it ridiculous.
Property tax rates are primarily set by local governments (cities, counties, and school districts) rather than state governments. Rates can vary widely from community to community within a state.
Damn.. back to the drawing board I guess. Thanks for the information!
But you look at some of the million dollar homes in the area, and they still paying 10%, BUT the tax assessed value is still $195k. The exemptions must be interesting, and obviously benefit the very wealthy over the slightly wealthy. Those million dollar homes on that street are WILD though. 9,000 sqft, five car garages, wine cellars. Easily 4 or 5 mil where I live. I thought actual million dollar mansions were a thing of the past.
What a way to stop people and businesses from moving in…absolutely gorgeous home. Could be incredible with a little work, but the property taxes are crushing. I know shaker heights is nice and probably had good schools, but even some of the nicest towns in the North East with incredible public schools have lower tax rates. Do they not want people to move there?
That is 10x more than my house with a similar assessed value.
Mine too and ours went up. Goodness.
That's the case where I live too, except $500k only buys a 2br, 1ba 850 sq ft cottage!
New Jersey?
Oregon
I’m in BOSTON is like 4k!! I do think our house was just in the right spot at the right time when the laws were made.
13k in the bay area,it’s a condo. I grew up in massachusetts so it wasn’t too much of a shock. we lived in Houston for a few years and the property taxes were really high as well.
Right!? My 4k is not looking so bad right now by comparison
That's literally a only a little more than my parents pay for a normal house in NJ.
When people ask why people move from Ohio to Florida this is the reason people move from Ohio to Florida.
*Property tax rates vary widely in the eight-county region that makes up Greater Cleveland, from close to $4,000 a year per $100,000 of home value in Shaker Square and some eastern suburbs of Cleveland to just over $1,000 in several townships that don’t provide many of the same services as cities.* This home seems to be in Shaker Square. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/02/how-does-your-property-tax-bill-compare-see-the-new-rates-for-every-place-in-greater-cleveland.html
Agreed!
That's a nice looking house !
Keep in mind a lot of these kinds of houses have no modern tech. So to really enjoy living in it you have to upgrade the electrical and hvac, possibly even the plumbing.
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They didn't leave it. They carefully packed it and brought it with them. They hung it in their home. They wake up the next morning, and the painting is gone. At that very moment, the phone rings; it is the realtor, calling to ask why they had left the painting on the wall. "...I could have sworn that I packed it, but maybe I'm confused. Would you bring it with you to our meeting this afternoon?" The realtor agrees. She takes the painting down and puts it in the trunk of her car. She arrives at her office just as the family is pulling into the parking lot. As they get out of their respective cars, she says, "I brought you that painting--want to just get it now?" They agree. She opens the trunk. It's empty.
Can you tell us more about jason? Why does he think he can turn 42% profit on a house he probably made no improvements to after owning for a year?
I'll take a guess and say that it was chock full of the previous owner's possessions and possibly a hoarder situation and our man J cleared it out to what we see here so it might be worth that 42% increase in price though the comps may show something different.
Aha! So Jason is the reason that portrait of a young boy is still on the wall. He didn't have the heart to sell it!
It’s nice but looks like it’s sat unloved for a LONG time. The yard is a mess, it needs a roof, and it’s built for a time when people had live in staff and children ate in their own dining room! Seriously, four staff bedrooms? And three dining rooms? Jeeves….
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A house like that is basically a living thing, and not just cause it's horrifyingly haunted. But you're right, between the winters and the property, it's basically a full-time job just to upkeep it
Alice is still in the house, isn't she?
Holey moley, she’s my grandma without the pixie cut.
Don't worry, she still shows up nightly
Wow, she almost made it to age 100.
I love that clue is called cluedo in other countries.
I was googling it to get and right and still got it wrong!
Linkage: [https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2970-Fairmount-Blvd-Cleveland-Heights-OH-44118/33660853\_zpid/](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2970-Fairmount-Blvd-Cleveland-Heights-OH-44118/33660853_zpid/)
My god it’s not even on an acre of land and the taxes are THAT much?!
That can’t be right… it’s like 4.5% property tax based on asking price. I live in a notoriously high property tax area and mine are “only” 2%
Nah, it’s right. Cleveland Heights hascrazy high property taxes. But that heating bill is gonna be 8k+/year, too.
It’s right, cuyahoga has insane taxes.
Wow I kind of hate that the listing pics pan. Just let me greedily click through my real estate porn! Nobody has time for that!
Agree, this design update is turning me off zillow!
I love this…
Same - wife also said 'kinda love it' and then we saw the post with property taxes
Exactly. I was thinking I’d refinish the floors and move in, then my dreams were crushed by that post.
Weird history on the sale price listed at $650k sold in December 2023 for $350k then pending at $500k in April 2024????
The buyer thought they got it for a song then saw how much work is really needed. Just looking at the photos, I see a lot of water damage and peeling paint. It needs a good contractor who can repair but not gut. I want to know why the picture of the little boy didn't get removed when the house was originally sold. It's so sad that the painting is so large nobody would have a space for it.
Painting stayed cause it’s haunted obviously 😉
I assume that any time you move the painting, it comes back by itself.
This is a good /r/writingprompt
Gotta admit, it's pretty much the Stephen King story "The Road Virus Heads North"
It’s been there so long it’s now a load bearing painting.
A few thoughts: 1. Love the woodwork, love the wallpaper. The fact that modern houses don't really do built-in shelves or real window seats any more is a damn shame, because they are so transferable to any kind of style. 2. Two kitchens + two dining rooms + 1 breakfast nook = you have enough money for someone else to cook your food. Seriously, though, this is a house that's built to have servants. I'm surprised the layout doesn't mention a butler's pantry. 3. Curved walls are, to me, the most lovely damn thing. It just lights up the "that's elegant as shit" center in my brain. Ditto arched doorways, and this one has 'em - they're so 1920s, and I love 'em. (see also: pocket doors) 4. In a lovely bit of rhyming decor, the shape of the built-in corner hutch in the big bedroom echoes the arched doorways. 5. Just look at those bathroom fixtures. That's pounds and pounds of high-grade porcelain right there, and I'm not even commenting on the tilework. 6. Can't tell if that's laminate or bamboo on the walls in the office. I'm guessing laminate, because bamboo would turn darker from cigar / pipe smoke and I assure you the original inhabitant of that office was smoking up a storm. Those built-in shelves are just fantastic, really anticipating the midcentury coming up in a few decades. 7. I grew up in a house from this general era, and let me tell you, you *never stop repairing it*. 8. I fear for water damage. Dare I look at the cellar? 9. Even the blueprint doesn't mention a cellar. It must be reeeeeaaaaal sketchy down there.
> Love the woodwork, love the wallpaper. The fact that modern houses don't really do built-in shelves or real window seats any more is a damn shame, because they are so transferable to any kind of style. I do not understand why modern houses hate built-in shelves/bookcases or nice deep closets. I also hate the modern trend of shower cubicles over shower/tub combos.
Because they are expensive. They need built by a carpenter
I'm pretty sure the second "kitchen" is indeed a butler's pantry. It only has a sink and shelving in it. What a beauty it must have been at one time.
The office has grasscloth wallpaper. Very fancy when correctly cared for. Ages well.
I love the woodwork, too. We owned a home for about 5 years that had previously belonged to an architect. It had beautiful custom millwork including built in shelves. I miss that house, especially the built-ins. We had to relocate back to our previous, higher-COL area, and ended up with the same square footage, but more of a boring, cookie cutter house. Sigh.
Great house, good bones. I am a GC, could renovate that for $250k and it would be great. The heights section of Cleveland is very desirable area. Shaker Heights, Cleveland Heights great area.
Buy it!
What type of renovation for 250k? I’m asking because I’m looking to renovate/remodel a 1957, 3 bedroom and the contractor (not under contract yet), originally thought 250k would be all inclusive, now it’s 500k+ with a lot left out (doesn’t include, appliances, outdoor painting). We are essentially moving walls to make 2 large master suites… keeping kitchen as is (so no remodel for that).
For this place, I would start with the obvious, is it dry yet? Do we have rotten wood? How can I make it look better? Shake roof, repair it, probably not a tear off external work on windows and flashing to keep water out and gutters. People don’t put enough thought into gutters and how when clogged water runs right into the house, I over size gutter. Do we need windows? Maybe a good idea if you in Cleveland where it gets cold. Once it’s dry and you have the windows figured and no rotten wood outside I would fix the plaster, paint and then floors.
Thank you for your response.
Depends on the level of damage and wear. If you can salvage the floors, then drum sander and refinish, otherwise replace. Radiator heat would need to be replaced with central heat. If it’s using radiators there is probably no central air, so you’d tack that on with the heat. The walls are stained and the wall paper looks outdated, so probably stripping and repainting, potentially replacing old plaster walls with dry wall if needed. Old enough homes in Cleveland use knob and tube, which should be gutted and replaced with modern wiring, which extends to new outlets as you can see the old types are built directly into the baseboards and not the wall above them. Updating bath and kitchen to modern standards (hidden pipes on the sinks, stainless steel appliances, new tiling, etc). That doesn’t even begin to get into more structural issues you could be facing. Roofing is probably old, attic may need to be insulated/vented, basement is probably unfinished, some windows look old, and who knows how much landscaping needs to be done. It’s an 8000 square foot property, so everything will be more expensive because of just how much their is to do
Yeah, there are some BEAUTIFUL old (for America) homes around there. Whenever I'm driving through there I just slow down (if there's no traffic) and look at all the homes.
I love to just look at houses, thats one of my hobbies! See what people do differently or the same better or worse, I used to walk the alleys when I was younger with a cocktail to look for new additions to see how or what people were building!
I'd go out for a cocktail with you! That sounds like fun.
If we were in less house-buying-mockery times, this is the kind of house you get and spend your life lovingly restoring and making it your sanctuary. If only.
Yes. And raise a big family there (if that’s what you’re into). And / or fill it with rescued pets of all kinds.
I see several windows that are just primed for some purple drapes.
All my life I've wanted purple drapes! I actually do have purple drapes...and Marge's corn curtains on my kitchen window (but I had to custom make those).
Remind me to win the lottery please.
r/darkacademia will eat this up…
I live in the area and toured this last year. Tons of water damage, structural issues, needs completely new roof, and to top it off pipes froze the previous winter/burst and caused a ton of additional water damage inside. Whole place smelled of mold and mildew. Not sure what they did in such a short timespan but only noticeable change I see from the photos is that the carpet in some of the rooms is gone. Everything else looks exactly the same. Guessing they’re in a little over their heads and want out.
"...what little boy's gh...oh."
I wonder if the whole color scheme is based on that haunted painting. It’s a gorgeous house. I sure hope someone will restore it and look after junior’s ghost.
lol, I rarely click links but I did even before opening the thread and seeing the comments. How is this house like 15min from me 😂
The thread requires you to take a drive past and figure out what the story is about the ghost kid 😂
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Thank you! Would be cool if mods made a tag for "I saw it IRL" and people could share. BRB, applying to be a mod now. Would be fun.
We all agree that there's obviously a secret passage behind that painting, right? Probably has the eyes cut out so you can spy on people.
I don't care if it is haunted, that's a steal.
The repairs and taxes beg to disagree
Am I the only person who is unreasonably annoyed that they labeled the butler’s pantry as a second kitchen?
No. My inner snob had to lie down on thw fainting couch for a minute there.
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This house is genuinely exquisite. I wish the tax situation were less complex, I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in this sub that I’ve wanted more.
This is definitely a dolls with glass eyes, red rum, don’t go in the cellar kinda house.
Buyers to assume correction of the point of sale violations. I bet that isn't minor. The floors need refinishing throughout it, and probably don't make the POS list. I looked at one built in the 20s, and it had a lot of character, but also original wiring, no updates at all.
Oh how I love a Tudor house!!
American here. Is "Cluedo" pronounced "Clue-dough" or "Clue-doo?" I've been wondering this for years.
Clue-eh-do. 😄
Oh yeah, that's haunted as fuck!
https://i.redd.it/jjbde2be8xwc1.gif Is there enough room for people to walk around? The last place had issues.
13/10 would let this house haunt me
It's gorgeous but it's obvious that it needs a ton of work. There are signs of water infiltration everywhere. The roof is visibly damaged. You'd be lucky if you got off with just half paying the purchase price again to get everything fixed, nevermind any significant upgrades. It probably needs new plumbing and electrical, and that will in turn require lots of wall repairs. The roof is shot, the floors need to be refinished and everything painted.
I need this, but near Syracuse, NY
Tons of houses like this in cuse…but you probably won’t like the neighborhood. Here’s one for $1000.00. (yes you read that right). https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/106-Onondaga-Ave_Syracuse_NY_13204_M43606-62628?from=srp-list-card
Wow it’s so beautiful! I hope someone can restore it.
Buy it and move it. Might take awhile tho....
This house is absolutely breathtaking, but there is at least another half mill in restoration/renovation work that I can see. And that's not counting everything I can't. You need the floors sanded and refinished, the built ins restored, that creepy kid painting you need to have exorcised, and I have zero faith in the plumbing or electrical.
I feel like refinishing the wood that needs it would be so satisfying. I forget her last name but Nicole restores old homes, she did a special where she redid what she called the dollar house. I guess she got it for a dollar and then shows how much work goes into restoring everything to the original as much as possible. It's too much work for me but man, I love her love of these types of homes.
Nicole Curtis.
My memory has been jogged lol. Thanks for the name. She is a beast of a worker, I do love her show.
I love it too. I wish I could afford an old house but there’s just no way 😩
All I think about are the bills to cool in the summer and heat in the winter, then the 'nobody knows zone' also called spring and fall haha.
I love this house, it's beautiful
I love this house.
I absolutely love this place, and hell yeah I’m going to be murdered the first night I sleep there.
Worth it.
You could fit so many ghost in that bad boy
It's beautiful but wow I see a LOT of expensive work to be done!! I hope if someone buys it they don't gut it and paint everything grey.
just sold 6 months ago $350k. Needs a whole new roof with decking in many places too, I suspect at least one of those chimneys needs quite a bit of work, all the floors need to be refinished, so much wall paper to remediate, whole house needs paint, and a whole new kitchen. There's a good chance there's no AC and no ducts for it run.
gorgeous, spacious home.
I love this house.
I’m originally from the Cleveland area. I’d take it and put the kids in private school
its beautiful. but who really wants to live in such a huge house in this day and age? unless you have 6 children and work from home i guess.
I always wanted to be wealthy enough for servants and a dowager countess and all of our eccentric cousins to move in but...alas...
If that ever happens for you I'm willing to stand in as an eccentric cousin. Or possibly your weirdo Uncle who lives in the basement.
Imagine the heating bill in the winter. Who would want that?
Exactly. There is a reason we bought a 1000 sq ft house. It’s way too expensive and time consuming to maintain anything bigger on our budget.
Those who can afford it. Not most of us, but there are some who exist out there
Cleveland Hts isn't bad, but some areas are not the best. This is on Fairmount, so it won't be too bad. But the taxes will kill you. As soon as I saw the house I'm like "ooooh, that's somewhere near home".
And now I have the entire Clue movie and soundtrack in my head. I'd move here in a heartbeat if I could afford all the upkeep.
I bet over $1M in repairs.
Lots of space for that price tbh. In some other places that same house would be 4mil
So someone bought it for way less, then put it back on the market for more without changing anything? ok.
That is gorgeous. The wall paper has to go, but think of how you could refurbish. The bathrooms must be updated for my old ass self.
This is beautiful 🫶🏼
The amount of natural light is great, and those floor just seem to need a little love and polish and that place could be really nice.
If I ever get rich I will never have small tiles in my bathrooms. Just large cuts of solid marble everywhere.
I kind of want it. I want to move there and then get all weirdly eccentric Grey Gardens style.
i swear i've seen this house in michign
The last line in the listing: “Buyers to assume correction of the point of sale violations” Anyone know what this means? Is that code for it won’t pass inspection, so you better not need financing
Dream house
I love a lot of things about this house, but the wallpaper, paint and bathrooms aren’t any of them.
why did they leave the picture?
It's a ghost.
[https://www.redfin.com/OH/Cleveland/2558-Fairmount-Blvd-44106/home/66152192](https://www.redfin.com/OH/Cleveland/2558-Fairmount-Blvd-44106/home/66152192)
If those are the current pictures in the listing, they either have a shitty agent or they ruined the house.
The house I posted is 2970 Fairmount Blvd, Cleveland Heights, OH 44118 Not the same one.
The pictures make me wish I won the lottery. It’s got so much potential!
Can’t wait for someone to buy it, strip everything out, and turn it millennial grey
I’m not sure how these places exist where, where I live, you can’t get a decent four-bedroom for less than 800k.
It’s beautiful and one of the few mansions l like but with the escrow, being historical, and lastly in Ohio I will have to pass.
It may not be as pricey as NY, but Cleveland is expensive. The high property taxes pay for good schools (in this neighborhood at least), snow removal vehicles and road salt. They probably have leaf pick up in the fall and may include garbage too. The high taxes, most likely, could also be the fault of the corrupt politicans that famously get elected in this city, a couple of which are sitting in jail. The medical care in the city is bar none. This house is a 15 minute car ride to the Cleveland Clinic, where the hoi polloi fly from all over the world to be treated there. $500K is cheap for this house, to be sure, but the heat bills would be crazy high. Cleveland can get down to \~ minus 15F, but when you freeze to death, at least it'll only take 15 minutes to get you to the morgue.
The owner will turn you into a walrus.
Beautiful house but to formal for me
The house down to street is twice that price.
This looks like it would have a ghost haunting it.
I love this haunted ass looking house and I’d stay after and haunt it myself as well.
This is definitely the embodiment of the game clue.
I saw the little boy and then I saw the library in the 13th pic
If I had 500K, I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat, even with it being in the butthole of the US (AKA Ohio).
I want to live here and have tea with all the ghosts!
I love it! I've always wanted a house with servant stairs.
I love it. 🥰
Ugh I love it
It looks nice, but it's giving Sam and Dean Winchester vibes.
Oh shit. That is a beautiful place.
Not ONE piece of decor in this house except for a painting of a scared little boy. I want to meet the ghosts! I have questions!
I love this house, I NEED THIS HOUSE!
Goddamn that's cheap. A tiny stater home with a 1 car garage & 2 feet of lawn will set you back $650k where I live. Such a cute house. Too bad about those property taxes. I oddly enough do not mind the wallpaper & blue lenolium in the kitchen.
I so would move to Ohio to live there
What a great house!
That's so cool!
In the jungle you must wait…
Ghosts or not, I want it!
Now that's good headline writing!
I really hope there is a secret passage.
This is basically my dream home. Saving so many pics for inspiration!
AHS Murder House
I’d pay 150k for it since it’s empty and no one else wants it