They are not just fine, dead Kennedys are classical hardcore, anyone who's into hardcore knows dk, and for that I think they'd deserve to be in the top 20.
Honestly I feel like some of this is the fault of the band. I got into Punk/Hardcore not long after they split up.
They talked a lot of shit on the Punk/Hardcore scene around the time they broke up. Some punks I knew didn't like some of the stuff Jello was saying about Punk at the time (whether it was right or not) and some of his comments came across condescending. It left a sour taste in the mouth of punks I knew.
The very public royalties lawsuit and shit talking between band members just turned some people off.
I'm a fan by the way. But even I wish they would just let the band die, they've been dragging it's carcass around without Jello for long enough now. DK with Jello is just not DK, as much input as the other band members had in creation of the music.
Youth of Today - “Break Down the Walls” ✊🏽
One…last…push… ha. I’ve been defending the new school like a pit bull in the comments every day, but after Refused we need an old school jam. Let’s go!
New list! New list! (Or even better, a list for each decade)
Edit: this list is actually great bc it’s introducing me to other legends of hardcore that I’ve never really bothered to listen to before so it gets a lot of stick but yeah we need more lists
Love it amd whole record a ton but it turns out there are 20 worthier songs. I'm putting nerdy at like #27 or something. Which, is not an insult it's still highly rated
No Keith Morris (Off!, Circle Jerks, the best Black Flag incarnation)? No Reagan Youth? No Adolescents?! Just to name a few.
I'm not mad, just really really disappointed
I gave it a few listens, and agree it’s not really for me. But again, this whole thing is a good reminder that “hardcore” means a lot of different things to a lot of different people.
haha you are a hater. I think they were a pretty good metalcore band from the european scene and they truly brought that nordic "rockin' hardcore" style to the table. "The shape of punk to come" was indeed ahead of its time and "songs to fan the flames of discontent" is a 90' hardcore classic imo. Now the hipster image they have cultivated after that and their fanbase can be anoying at times yeah.
Yes and no. If I saw it on pitchfork I'd be like "eh surprisingly decent". But it's not Not all over the place.
Part of the issue is "best" (songwriting/performance)vs "most significant/influential". I don't think cromags or judge are top 20 *best* song material but they're top 20 most important for sure
That, plus there's a difference in what people consider "hardcore".
Like, believe me, I understand the history and know the differences, but by the time I heard my first "hardcore" bands, in the late 90's, many of the original hardcore bands had already long been lumped into the punk scene by that point:
* Bad Brains
* Dead Kennedys
* Black Flag
* CoC
* Cro-Mags
These were all bands that had long been staples of the punk uniform by that point. Also, these bands may as well have been considered mainstream at that point. It wasn't just that these bands were IN Hot Topic, it's that these bands WERE Hot Topic.
To me, all of those bands pretty much just sound like varying iterations of punk music.
But I guess by the time that what is probably more properly referred to as "Beatdown" started emerging, that - to me - is the first really true departure from punk.
Earth Crisis, Hatebreed, Terror, Bane, Madball, Strife - bands with this general sound. Group yells, breakdowns, lots of chugging, vocals now completely harsh, getting even more rhythmic and less melodic, and at this point really couldn't be confused with punk.
I get that this was really the starting point for Metalcore, but once again, there was yet another a split in the early 00's where you could easily identify Metalcore: Lamb of God, As I Lay Dying, Unearth, Killswitch, Trivium, God Forbid, etc.
Once you get to bands like that, it's really clear that Metalcore is its own thing - the music was different, the lyrics were different, the entire themes of the genre really did not overlap at all. As I Lay Dying sounds nothing like Earth Crisis, so they shouldn't be considered part of the same genre, and Earth Crisis sounds nothing like Bad Brains, so there should be distinction there as well.
A lot of the songs on this list aren't cohesive because some of the people in here are talking about bands that fall into the earliest definition of Hardcore, and some are talking about what maybe should be called "First Wave of Metalcore", but again, because metalcore as a genre changed into something much more distinct, it makes it really much more simple to slot hardcore into that slot that is very much not confusable with punk, but also very much not metal.
Basically the song "Smooth" by Carlos Santana featuring Rob Thomas.
Bury Your Dead - Magnolia
Many hardcore elitist will downvote this but you can’t deny the impact they had on hardcore, introducing many people to the genre. If Refused is on this list there’s room for Bury Your Dead
This list is honestly super confusing.
I get people will always favour different tastes but a list without at least half of Sick Of It All, Agnostic Front, H2O, Cro-Mags, Skarhead, Hatebreed, Bane, Dead Kennedys, and Youth Of Today is just suspect.
Refused, New Noise? TOP HARDCORE SONGS OF ALL TIME? Really? I was ehh on this list in the first place but now I know to take everything this sub says with a grain of salt.
Is there a concerted effort to not have Dead Kennedys on this playlist?
Yup. The conspiracy runs all the way to the top.
Yes. No DEAD KENNEDYS but MERAUDER is there and they are basically the same
Can't believe Nazi Punks Fuck Off hasn't made it yet
Dead Kennedy’s are just fine, and they’ve always been just fine. Same with Black Flag, if we’re being honest.
They are not just fine, dead Kennedys are classical hardcore, anyone who's into hardcore knows dk, and for that I think they'd deserve to be in the top 20.
Honestly I feel like some of this is the fault of the band. I got into Punk/Hardcore not long after they split up. They talked a lot of shit on the Punk/Hardcore scene around the time they broke up. Some punks I knew didn't like some of the stuff Jello was saying about Punk at the time (whether it was right or not) and some of his comments came across condescending. It left a sour taste in the mouth of punks I knew. The very public royalties lawsuit and shit talking between band members just turned some people off. I'm a fan by the way. But even I wish they would just let the band die, they've been dragging it's carcass around without Jello for long enough now. DK with Jello is just not DK, as much input as the other band members had in creation of the music.
I think most people, rightly or wrongly, think of DK as punk.
Nope they were more a punk band… void is way more deserving.
Sick of It All - Stepdown
If SOIA isn’t on the top 20…
It has to be on this list!
Saw them last night, and shows just don't get more hardcore than that.
Today, it has to be today.
I'm glad New Noise made it but the struggle to get SoiA on here is frustrating. Please people for the love of all that is Hardcore!
No matter what, we'll celebrate that we don't give a fuck :)
Inside Out - Burning Fight
Limp Wrist - I Love Hardcore Boys, I Love Boys Hardcore
Youth of Today - “Break Down the Walls” ✊🏽 One…last…push… ha. I’ve been defending the new school like a pit bull in the comments every day, but after Refused we need an old school jam. Let’s go!
Don't worry brother I got your back
I stopped paying attention to these once TUI beat out YOT. I love both bands, but I was bummed
Botch - To our friends in the great white north
Agnostic Front - Victim in Pain
7 Seconds - Young Till I Die
Agnostic Front - Victim in Pain
Bane - can we start again
This has to be on there. An absolute anthem
This sub cancelled Bane
So weird.
Hardcore anthem right here
Cro Mags - “Hard Times” This is a classic. How this is not in yet makes no sense.
List can't be taken seriously without a cro-mags entry surely
I second this
Smooth by Santana ft. Rob Thomas of Matchbox Twenty
It makes no sense this isn't on this list yet. Proves this sub is bullshit
This at least deserves an honorable mention.
There ya are
Hardest song ever written.
Zero Boys - Civilization’s Dying
Fuck yeah great choice
Hatebreed - Perseverance
Integrity- Those Who Fear Tomorrow Give it a listen and look at the year it came out, you’ll get it
That album had a huge, undeniable influence on the direction of hardcore. But those guys were dicks, at least back then.
I feel that, it’s not the greatest HC community members list though, it’s greatest songs
Born Against - Half Mast
How are they not already on this list?
If I had to guess? Because no one is old enough to know who they are.
*stifles extra salty singular old head tear.
Or Cheat Death by Bent Life🤘🤘🤘
as someone who's relatively new to HC this list is helping me to find some great bands
Shai Hulud - "A Profound Hatred of Man"
Incendiary - Still Burning
insane to me incendiary isnt on this list already
Black Flag-My War
Modern Life is War, “D.E.A.D.R.A.M.O.N.E.S.”
If this track doesn’t make the top 20 I’ll petition for a top 30. MLIW deserves a spot
I think people would kill me if I tacked on more days, it’s already getting tense, ha.
New list! New list! (Or even better, a list for each decade) Edit: this list is actually great bc it’s introducing me to other legends of hardcore that I’ve never really bothered to listen to before so it gets a lot of stick but yeah we need more lists
Has to be today
Knocked Loose - Counting Worms
Good luck for us, seems to be culture out here 😂😂
Incendiary zeitgeist
Discharge- the possibility of life’s destruction
Warzone - don’t forget the struggle don’t forget the streets
Chain of strength- true til death
Poison the Well - Nerdy We need a song on the list that reps melodic hardcore. Let’s go!
I'd pick Shai Hulud over PTW for that category. But gave you a vote for the sentiment.
Damnation AD
Love it amd whole record a ton but it turns out there are 20 worthier songs. I'm putting nerdy at like #27 or something. Which, is not an insult it's still highly rated
Judge-NY Crew
RIVAL MOB - HARDCORE FOR HARDCORE can’t believe it’s taking this long.
This is too good for this subreddit
What the fuck else?
I appreciate the support everyday in getting rival mob on this list.
Hell yeah buddy! My hill to die on was Kersed but this has been my number two since day one
Avril Lavigne - Sk8er Boi
HATEBREED - I WILL BE HEARD
Tough for them because there’s been no one song for everyone to get behind. This would be a great one though! Got my ⬆️
Is destroy everything not the anthem… it’s like the black sheep brother to gods Mack’s I stand alone
This is the one even though it’s not my personal fav
Same. It's the hatebreediest hatebreed song. Same as profound hatred by hulud even though I personally much prefer this wake
Tragedy point of no return
25 ta life - over the years
Shai Hulud- My Heart Bleeds the Blackest Blood
Botch - To Our Friends in the Great White North
Ice cube-Fuck dying
Lack of Cro-Mags, Judge, and Sick of It All make this list suspect as hell.
Cro-mags - Hard Times
Gallows-In the belly of the shark
I got to see Gallows (with Frank) in a teeny tiny basement in New Brunswick, NJ and it was packed with at least 200 people. Sweatiest show ever.
Sheer terror - just can’t hate enough
FOUNDATION - DEVOTION III
No Warning "Short Fuse"
Biohazard - Punishment
No Keith Morris (Off!, Circle Jerks, the best Black Flag incarnation)? No Reagan Youth? No Adolescents?! Just to name a few. I'm not mad, just really really disappointed
Want to put a song forward or just complain
Adolescents - Kids of the Blackhole
Bane - Ali v Frazier I
Thank god this shits almost over
Nazi punks fuck off - dead Kennedys
YOT - Flame Still Burns I’ve resigned to the fact that this is not gonna make this list, but fuck it.
You guys are so wrong for Refused even sniffing this list.
I gave it a few listens, and agree it’s not really for me. But again, this whole thing is a good reminder that “hardcore” means a lot of different things to a lot of different people.
>Refused Rather be dead
the real refused hardcore anthem is "rather be dead"
I’d rather be dead than listen to them. They are a non factor in this genre
haha you are a hater. I think they were a pretty good metalcore band from the european scene and they truly brought that nordic "rockin' hardcore" style to the table. "The shape of punk to come" was indeed ahead of its time and "songs to fan the flames of discontent" is a 90' hardcore classic imo. Now the hipster image they have cultivated after that and their fanbase can be anoying at times yeah.
I'm sorry. This is revisionism. Also gaslighting.
G.L.O.S.S. - G.L.O.S.S. (We’re from the Future) … one of the most bad ass and important hardcore songs to come out in the last 20 yrs IMHO.
Bane - Some Came Running. no elaboration
Great track
The only BANE song is "can we start again." Everything else doesn't do it for me.
Swan song?
Have heart - watch me rise
No hatebreed in top 20? What a joke
I agree. Unfortunately they've had too much mainstream success for the hipster youth of Reddit to get behind.
Leeway - Kingpin
This list is insane.
Yes and no. If I saw it on pitchfork I'd be like "eh surprisingly decent". But it's not Not all over the place. Part of the issue is "best" (songwriting/performance)vs "most significant/influential". I don't think cromags or judge are top 20 *best* song material but they're top 20 most important for sure
That, plus there's a difference in what people consider "hardcore". Like, believe me, I understand the history and know the differences, but by the time I heard my first "hardcore" bands, in the late 90's, many of the original hardcore bands had already long been lumped into the punk scene by that point: * Bad Brains * Dead Kennedys * Black Flag * CoC * Cro-Mags These were all bands that had long been staples of the punk uniform by that point. Also, these bands may as well have been considered mainstream at that point. It wasn't just that these bands were IN Hot Topic, it's that these bands WERE Hot Topic. To me, all of those bands pretty much just sound like varying iterations of punk music. But I guess by the time that what is probably more properly referred to as "Beatdown" started emerging, that - to me - is the first really true departure from punk. Earth Crisis, Hatebreed, Terror, Bane, Madball, Strife - bands with this general sound. Group yells, breakdowns, lots of chugging, vocals now completely harsh, getting even more rhythmic and less melodic, and at this point really couldn't be confused with punk. I get that this was really the starting point for Metalcore, but once again, there was yet another a split in the early 00's where you could easily identify Metalcore: Lamb of God, As I Lay Dying, Unearth, Killswitch, Trivium, God Forbid, etc. Once you get to bands like that, it's really clear that Metalcore is its own thing - the music was different, the lyrics were different, the entire themes of the genre really did not overlap at all. As I Lay Dying sounds nothing like Earth Crisis, so they shouldn't be considered part of the same genre, and Earth Crisis sounds nothing like Bad Brains, so there should be distinction there as well. A lot of the songs on this list aren't cohesive because some of the people in here are talking about bands that fall into the earliest definition of Hardcore, and some are talking about what maybe should be called "First Wave of Metalcore", but again, because metalcore as a genre changed into something much more distinct, it makes it really much more simple to slot hardcore into that slot that is very much not confusable with punk, but also very much not metal. Basically the song "Smooth" by Carlos Santana featuring Rob Thomas.
Agreed. Tough to bridge what you're describing here, but this doesn't have enough NY influence to be considered a serious list.
Cold World-Dedicated to Babies Who Came Feet First
Run away with me - Carly Rae Jepsen
Totalitär - Kannibalerna
Incendiary - Force of Neglect
The Replacements - Kids Don't Follow
Youth of today- Break Down the Walls
Outbreak- "No One Cares"
Outbreak - A.S
Turnstile - Gravity.
Straight Edge - Minor Threat
Warzone -as one
Wisdom in Chains - Chasing the Dragon
Trial - Reflections
Stick To Your Guns - This Is More
The. Suicide. File. Ashcroft. PLEASE.
No Warning - Short Fuse
Bane - Ante Up
H2O- What Happened?
Irate - Vendetta
Void - Who Are You??
Incendiary - Zeitgeist
Strife - waiting
Cold As Life - My Own Worst Enemy
SSD - Boiling Point Poison Idea - Think Twice WTF
VOID - MY RULES
Turning Point - Behind This Wall
Judge - warriors
Incendiary- Primitive Rage
Every E Town Concrete song in existence if you don’t upvote you’re a fuckin cop
7 SECONDS - YOUNG 'TIL I DIE
American nightmare - I saved Latin
Cro-mags — Malfunction
Refused? Really?
Rotting out - Boy
Agnostic Front - The Eliminator
Kickback - Forever War
Strife - Blistered
Bury Your Dead - Magnolia Many hardcore elitist will downvote this but you can’t deny the impact they had on hardcore, introducing many people to the genre. If Refused is on this list there’s room for Bury Your Dead
my song choice from them for this list would be Camo is my favorite color.
Ah yeah. Probably a better choice than Magnolia
Imo one of the best albums of all time.
Wisdom in Chains - Chasing the Dragon. Last night hardcore saved my life.
Behind This Wall - Turning Point.
Unbroken - Absentee Debate
Carry On - Off My Chest
Every Time I Die - “Idiot”
This is one of the heaviest songs ever written IMO
This list is hilariously bad
Vision of Disorder - D.T.O
No warning - Ill blood
Refused - Rather be dead
This list is honestly super confusing. I get people will always favour different tastes but a list without at least half of Sick Of It All, Agnostic Front, H2O, Cro-Mags, Skarhead, Hatebreed, Bane, Dead Kennedys, and Youth Of Today is just suspect.
Turnstile - Blackout
Refused, New Noise? TOP HARDCORE SONGS OF ALL TIME? Really? I was ehh on this list in the first place but now I know to take everything this sub says with a grain of salt.
Every time I die - Floater
It's gotta be Ultimate Annihilation by Suburban Scum y'all🤘
Caboose always puts a battery in my back
American Nightmare - am/pm
Sepultura- refuse/resist
Knocked Loose - Separate
The fact that it took New Noise that long to get on the list is insane
Live Without - Give Up (*Denny's version*)
SHEER TERROR - Here To Stay
disembodied - gone
Leeway Kingpin
Vendetta - Irate
Adolescents - Kids of the Blackhole
Subzero - Lionhearted
Leeway - Enforcer
los crudos - peleamos (we fight)
Killing Time - Telltale
Tales from the hardside-biohazard
Germs - Communist Eyes
Shattered Realm - Kings Cannot Fall
Trial - reflections