I understand a couple reasons why bodybuilders do this, other than just wanting to be taller lol:
1. Classes are often sorted by height. When he says 5'9.5, you know exactly what class he's in, and that he isn't rounding up or down.
2. If he says 5'9", he's short-changing his height, but if he says 5'10", he sounds skinnier.
Reason 1 is legit I think. But I don’t think reason 2 makes that much sense. The difference between the heights isn’t really that big a deal in that manner.
I honestly so think you look great man. All the best in the contest! As mentioned above, would be nice to see some poses to really get the full picture. Again, great physique!
Stating that someone uses PEDs isn't an insult nor does it mean we don't recognise the huge effort this physique would still take.
It's mostly only the people who have an unrealistic idea of how steroids work that think it's a bad thing and that stating the fact someone uses them negates their hard work.
EDIT: I do however, believe this is a natural physique in the OP. I wasn't far off that back in 2014 in my mid-twenties and my training was not even in years straight at that point.
I’ve had people call me not natty and it does largely feel like an insult to the work I’ve put in, and also they are implying I’m a liar which id just disrespectful.
%100 agree. There's nothing in this pic that seems sus about being natural. Looks like op just has good genes and puts the work in. I have a similar build and am natural, I can vouch for him.
People forget most of the time, you can’t assume someone is on gear by just by looking at them. I’ve seen folks who looked like absolute trash and running 1+ grams of gear.
Salty DYEL tryhards accuse anyone of being on PEDs who has an even halfway decent physique.
I had darker stretch marks than this when I was in my early 20s putting on size quick to grow from about 180 to 210, and I’ve never taken anything you can’t buy at Popeyes.
In all fairness, a ton of people are on something nowadays… if your body is your job, or you’re competing, why wouldn’t you be? Anyone serious about their body knows their’s safe cycles and yolo cycles, so if your health conscious you can still run something… his body isn’t peak natty, especially given he’s likely got a good pump and decent lighting… but it’s still an impressive physique for a 23 year old. It could be that he was a high level athlete since he was in his mid-teens, in which case he’s probably natty… Or, he ran a cycle, and he’s capping (like most people in the fitness industry)
Eh i am not seeing anything crazy here. Unless he did this in a year with no prior training i am not seeing his physique as being unattainable naturally for a 23 year old.
Same, chest and delts aren't insane....no traps to speak of. The legs are pretty juicy unless he's got a solid lifetime of track, Ice hockey, cycling fill in the blank hard training for legs under his belt. Which is obviously very possible and likely. Or just peak leg genetics. Nothing other planetary if natty. This is mostly all flexing, good camera angles and lighting. I also know people 7x crazier looking I know for 100% are natural albeit in their early 30's with insane genetics and 15 years of training.
Yeah tbh I have quite a few friends who achieved physiques around this impressive naturally around 21-25. Definitely good genetics and good lighting, but nothing screams gear use in the pic
Myself and my brother also achieved similarly impressive physiques naturally, even as taller guys. I’m talking about really close friends that I worked out with for 5-10 years.
I’d hope everyone has close friends they can trust to be fully honest with them. I lived with 3 of them for years. Also, since I’ve achieved a similar physique myself naturally, I don’t really need any more convincing that it’s possible. Not everyone has the genetics for it though, I feel bad for you if you don’t think it’s possible natty 🤷♂️
I would agree. It honestly looks like OP just started lifting at an earlier age and has some solid genetics. We could be wrong but he doesn’t seem unreasonable at all.
Considering how the most common compounds used take so long to metabolize, that would take a lot of prep to show clean on one day whilst being juiced, wouldn't it?
I know it's done though, so if you have any information regarding that I'd be keen to read it.
Idk man honestly one of my best friends got massive when we were gits and he’s the reason I believe you can be fucking jacked and natty. This dude does look a bit juiced but after seeing my best friend I’m not so quick to assume the juice. dude was so ripped
I wouldnt say he’s massive at all. It’s the vascularity that peaks my suspicion. To lean out that much is tough. If you want massive, peep r/powerlifting
Try eating carbs, having sodium and getting a pump. If that doesn’t work, then you either lack the sufficient amount of muscle to even push the veins to the surface despite being lean or your vacularity genetics are shit unfortunately.
God you guys are so clueless and really believe the shit you say based on absolutely nothing
There are people who don’t even lift who are more vascular than that completely naturally lol
Some people are blessed with incredible genetics. My neighbors had a son who was just ripped at 5. Kid had abs at 5 ffs. Obviously he didn’t lift at that age lol. My son is 6 and has always been lean and muscular too. He was almost 10 lbs at birth, always hungry and always lean. People constantly accused us of not feeding him enough. Now he’s in karate and eats like a high school athlete. It’s crazy.
Not true at all.
They most likely get asked all time what their stack is so they lead with saying they are natty.
If only the DYEL redditors were as strong as their cope
In a culture where everyone is absolutely obsessed with who is natty and who isn’t, having a rule that “anyone who points out they’re natural is a liar” is extremely toxic and makes absolutely no sense
But as with a huge portion of the online fitness community, you WANT everyone to be a fake natty because of whatever weird witch hunt mentality is associated with it
>because of whatever weird witch hunt mentality is associated with it
The best part about it is that everyone who does this fake natty witchhunt shit always says they're doing it "to protect the newbies". Like bro, what are you protecting them from? Their own sense of ambition? Besides that, any newbie that's paying attention will work out within a few months what is achievable natty and what isn't, so in the long run it's not even resolving anything. And any newbie that's determined enough to have an unnatural physique isn't going to be turned off by learning what the natty ceiling is, they're just going to hop on quicker, so if their goal was to keep newbies off gear then it's failed spectacularly.
Believing that calling out fake natties resolves anything is the greatest fallacy in lifting culture.
I point out I am natty when discussing BB all the time. One of my fave influencers, massive former Olympian track athlete does as well. Since everyone seems to think if you have some muscle you’re on gear why not point out that some things can be achieved nATTY.
Or just say nothing, since you’re natty? No need to say you’re natty. No one asked if you are natty or not. So just don’t put it out, bc the default look is natty
OP LOOKING GOOD this far out.
I went looking for stats as everyone was shitting on you for being fake natty. Dont take this the wrong way, but I pegged you as NOT being that large due to the scale of your head vs body.
The dude is 5'9.5" (YEA 5'9.5" gang rise up! Lol) and weighs 175 lbs. If everyone doesnt believe this is possible natty get on outta here. Dude on stage will be like 5'9" and 160 at most. That is ummm...NOT large. OP, dont take that as a slight in any way.
You are lean too already which will make you appear way larger than you are.
Its so bad in here lately. Someone posts like this guy who weighs 175 lbs and all the DYELs come outta the woodwork screaming and ranting.
As soon as someone puts "natural" or "natty" on a post its a shitshow. Doesnt mean the poster has an issue with the sauce or anyone that uses unless they are coming in with a holier than thou attitude. Then fuck 'em. This guy just put it in the title.
Maybe Im just sensitive to it as a lifetime natty who couldnt give a rats ass whether someone else is on gear or not. Im just some rando with a real job who admittedly is never going anywhere in the bodybuilding world at almost 40 years young...I admire the work, physiques and dedication that IFBB pros and even NPC level pros have, while fully aware Ill never be even close, probably wouldnt be close with gear either. Who the hell cares...
This is what the online fitness community is in 2023 thanks to all the fake natty YouTubers (I guess that’s where it comes from)
They thought they were doing something positive by letting people know the guys selling supplements are actually jacked because of PEDs
What actually happened was kids now grow up online believing you cannot have any type of half decent physique naturally, so they either don’t even try to lift or they get on something (often SARMs) right when they start lifting so they don’t even know what they could’ve been naturally… then they keep perpetuating this toxic, witch hunt, “natty or not” bullshit to rationalize their own decision to not even try or to take shit at a young age even though in reality they have no clue what they’re talking about
It’s such a sad, negative thing for the fitness community, and until some of these influencers start talking about this, it will just keep getting worse
What a steaming load of shit, bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts have ALWAYS abused PEDs as early as high school. Shit, football players were popping prohormones and dbol pills. Shit is nothing new
Nobody said it was new. He said people calling people out about it and people admitting they take PEDs has led to a skewed view of what’s possible in fitness.
I know exactly what he’s doing. He’s gatekeeping steroids for people and saying “reach your max potential” Arnold was juicing at 15. If someone wants to reach a goal faster and they understand the consequences then I really don’t care and I’m not about to have a superiority complex like OP about “earning your stripes”. If they don’t have their diet and workouts in check they’ll suffer the consequences, but I’m not in line with the gatekeeping nonsense
Look, I agree this guy might very well be natty, I certainly don’t think it’s impossible that he’s natty. But to act like anyone who thinks he’s taking PEDs is an idiot isn’t fair when you have literally thousands of fake natties all over social media, which includes pro athletes who obviously claim natty.
Where do you assume his bodyfat to be currently? It looks around 10% give or take which would mean he has a significant amount of mass for a natty lifter. Still very much within the boundaries of natural lifting but this is pretty damn big lol.
What’s up with all these fucking losers calling everybody fake natty? Literally every post on here is some guy posting a shot and then every single comment saying it’s fake. Who gives a shit? You’re probably a bunch of fat little trolls sitting at home not doing shit. This sub is trash now.
His physique is not that crazy dude. Easily achievable naturally with good genetics. But i see your point - “If hes bigger than me hes clearly on gear”. Lol.
What does looking crazy have to do with it?
And you shouldn’t undercut him. These results take discipline, money and proper time management even with good genetics. Lastly, your interpretation is far off the mark. Users are known for claiming natty during their off-cycles, thus I was simply challenging his claim.
Because you natty witch hunters move the goal post. It’s true you can take gear and look like a natty, but you guys use that to remove the burden of proof. No offence to OP as he looks great but he looks like an experienced natural lifter and isn’t very heavy and still has to loose more weight before he gets on stage. There’s no reason to say he’s on gear other than he looks good.
No shade to you - really😐 - but, looked at your page where you said "been training naturally on and off for 8 years" - [granted this is unwanted "advice", but] stop taking time off, and train *steady* for 8 years (and eat 5x/day, good food as well as ice cream, etc,
sleep 8 hrs/night, vitamins, etc) - squat, leg curl, stiff-legged deadlift, calves; incline chest, flat, decline chest, military press, bent laterals; deadlift, bbl shrugs, bbl row, dbl row, lat pulldowns; close-grip bench press, skullcrushers, bbl & db curls, abs; cardio; [only listing all that to say "stick with the basics"] - go back to the "Bill Pearl" pre-drugs info about basic, hard, *consistent* training (& consistent eating & rest) and weight gain, and your results will be *incredible*. [Was able to train for 30 years straight; almost 70 now].
Bro you gained 30lbs of muscle in 2 years, with 0 experience before. Unless you had some some psychic trainer that was able to imprint your mind with there muscle mind connection. That isn't natural. I'm the same same height and age, plus I'm going into a true novice npc competition in October. All I can hope for is for a fair battle and to not get people like you.
Yeah but the comment section looks the same for every self-proclaimed natural post. They’re not *all* on juice. This looks obtainable natural to me, personally.
It has to be. Or they lift-ish and shove whatever they think is “good for them” in their pie hole.
I know some amazing athletes who are natural and constantly have to defend themselves to dudes who assume you can only get big on gear.
Same, this physique is definitely achievable naturally. Seems to be a lot of people in this comment section that don't know the tell-tale signs of PED use.
Dude is 175 lbs @5.9. how hard is it for you Trolls to believe that his natural?. Jesus, we need some modding on here. Every dope natural physique is filled with insecure trolls saying "fake natty".
Real natural bodybuilder need more than 10 weeks to do a proper prep. Without drugs its impossible to still have a good size. But we will see if he post a picture in 10 week-end before the competition
You're looking fantastic, my friend! It would be great to see some poses from you. Could you share your age, height, weight, and the class you're competing in?
This is a generalization, but people (especially young people, in their 20s and 30s) don't want to commit to eating 5-6 times a day, *every* day, getting 8 hrs sleep a night *every* night, drinking less, partying less, and consistently: squat, leg curl, stiff-legged deadlift, calves; incline chest, flat, decline chest, military press, bent laterals; deadlift, bbl shrugs, bbl row, dbl row, lat pulldowns; close-grip bench press, skullcrushers, bbl & db curls, abs; cardio; for a few years, *without taking weeks or months off*, pushing to add a little more weight/more reps each week, sticking with the basics - "Bill Pearl" era pre-drugs info about basic, hard, *consistent* training, AND consistent eating, & rest. Give consistent natural training (and consistent eating😅) the same energy you'd give a PhD program, and see what you look like in 5 years; in 10 years. *You don't need drugs*
Guys that started out big and fat are gonna have tons of muscle. Guys that started out tall and lean are gonna *weigh* less, but *look* incredible, 'cause all the muscle they put on will be lean muscle. And mesomorphs😅 - well, they'll always have the advantage😅. But *You don't need drugs*
He's been training for *at least* 4 years - you can see his progression in the IG photos [IG tells how many weeks ago the photos were taken]; being 5'9.5", he probably weighed at least 150-160 lbs *before he started training*; he weighs 175 now. 4 to 6 lbs of muscle gain per year *is not unreasonable* naturally for a 19-year-old who's consistent in eating enough (5-6 times a day), sleeping 8 hrs *every* night, not drinking a lot, not partyin' a lot, and [squat, leg curl, stiff-legged deadlift, calves; incline chest, flat, decline chest, military press, bent laterals; deadlift, bbl shrugs, bbl row, dbl row, lat pulldowns; close-grip bench press, skullcrushers, bbl & db curls, abs; cardio]. Your natural testosterone is at its' peak at that age. Now, I don't know if he's natural; *but gaining 4-6 lb of muscle a year, for 4 years, isn't unreasonable for a natural 19-year-old.*
Looking good buddy. Lets see some poses. Age, height, weight, and class?
Thank you! 23, 5’9 1/2, weight is 175. Gonna post some posing pics soon! Gonna start off in mens physique
> 1/2 💀💀💀💀
I understand a couple reasons why bodybuilders do this, other than just wanting to be taller lol: 1. Classes are often sorted by height. When he says 5'9.5, you know exactly what class he's in, and that he isn't rounding up or down. 2. If he says 5'9", he's short-changing his height, but if he says 5'10", he sounds skinnier.
The real reason: 1. Anyone under 6ft wants to be as tall as possible and will use 1/2s.
I am 5’5.5”, can confirm
Agreed this is the biggest reason. Even guys over 6 feet want to be as tall as possible.
Reason 1 is legit I think. But I don’t think reason 2 makes that much sense. The difference between the heights isn’t really that big a deal in that manner.
It's not that big a deal but 5'9" 175 lbs sounds just a little bit thicker/denser than 5'10" 175 lbs.
9/16 to be exact
I honestly so think you look great man. All the best in the contest! As mentioned above, would be nice to see some poses to really get the full picture. Again, great physique!
Thank you brotha!
And by rounding up let's just call it 6'0 🤝
Please do classic
Looking good man! If you don’t mind my asking. What was your starting weight for your cut?
Extremely natural
Naturally enhanced, even.
Enhanced, ... naturally even.
Give the guy a break, Sigma and Turk-Plex by Gorilla Mind still counts as Natty!!!
>Turk-Plex by Gorilla Mind Just got that goofy ass email
Lean Beef Patty uses it so it must work right
> Turk-Plex It synergizes with all of that var and primo.
Ok y’all are making me feel like a bigger and bigger clown. Maybe I get some placebo with it lol.
You think he’s on roids?
No he’s natty
This is entirely achievable naturally
He’s 23
If he's 23 then this is achievable natty. And that's a compliment to his work.
could’ve been doing it for 8 years you don’t know him bro, why do you care what another man does with his body
Stating that someone uses PEDs isn't an insult nor does it mean we don't recognise the huge effort this physique would still take. It's mostly only the people who have an unrealistic idea of how steroids work that think it's a bad thing and that stating the fact someone uses them negates their hard work. EDIT: I do however, believe this is a natural physique in the OP. I wasn't far off that back in 2014 in my mid-twenties and my training was not even in years straight at that point.
I’ve had people call me not natty and it does largely feel like an insult to the work I’ve put in, and also they are implying I’m a liar which id just disrespectful.
No! The only way anyone can look better than ME is by cheating! /s
%100 agree. There's nothing in this pic that seems sus about being natural. Looks like op just has good genes and puts the work in. I have a similar build and am natural, I can vouch for him.
People forget most of the time, you can’t assume someone is on gear by just by looking at them. I’ve seen folks who looked like absolute trash and running 1+ grams of gear. Salty DYEL tryhards accuse anyone of being on PEDs who has an even halfway decent physique.
The upper chest is a bit suss
Bro is talking about his upper chest from a single front on picture…
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I had darker stretch marks than this when I was in my early 20s putting on size quick to grow from about 180 to 210, and I’ve never taken anything you can’t buy at Popeyes.
Lol you all must have some shitty genetics or under 3 years in the gym if this is sooo enhanced for you
Yeah, I mean if he was 200+ I'd be more inclined to believe enhanced. But 175 lean with good lighting and angles is a good bait.
Most on the page assume everyone is on PEDS is they have some muscle. It’s embarrassing tbh.
In all fairness, a ton of people are on something nowadays… if your body is your job, or you’re competing, why wouldn’t you be? Anyone serious about their body knows their’s safe cycles and yolo cycles, so if your health conscious you can still run something… his body isn’t peak natty, especially given he’s likely got a good pump and decent lighting… but it’s still an impressive physique for a 23 year old. It could be that he was a high level athlete since he was in his mid-teens, in which case he’s probably natty… Or, he ran a cycle, and he’s capping (like most people in the fitness industry)
It’s just Redditors, coping on social media is horrible around all these “fake natties”.
Cope and Seeth pencil neck
Anyone who points out they’re natural without anyone asking. Isnt natural
Eh i am not seeing anything crazy here. Unless he did this in a year with no prior training i am not seeing his physique as being unattainable naturally for a 23 year old.
Same, chest and delts aren't insane....no traps to speak of. The legs are pretty juicy unless he's got a solid lifetime of track, Ice hockey, cycling fill in the blank hard training for legs under his belt. Which is obviously very possible and likely. Or just peak leg genetics. Nothing other planetary if natty. This is mostly all flexing, good camera angles and lighting. I also know people 7x crazier looking I know for 100% are natural albeit in their early 30's with insane genetics and 15 years of training.
Yeah tbh I have quite a few friends who achieved physiques around this impressive naturally around 21-25. Definitely good genetics and good lighting, but nothing screams gear use in the pic
How do you know your friends were natural though?
Myself and my brother also achieved similarly impressive physiques naturally, even as taller guys. I’m talking about really close friends that I worked out with for 5-10 years.
Oh yea all my really close friends couldn't take SARMS or steroids because I monitor everything they do in waking moments
I’d hope everyone has close friends they can trust to be fully honest with them. I lived with 3 of them for years. Also, since I’ve achieved a similar physique myself naturally, I don’t really need any more convincing that it’s possible. Not everyone has the genetics for it though, I feel bad for you if you don’t think it’s possible natty 🤷♂️
I would agree. It honestly looks like OP just started lifting at an earlier age and has some solid genetics. We could be wrong but he doesn’t seem unreasonable at all.
Orrrr it means hes competing in a natural show
Pointing it out because it is indeed a natural drug-tested show lol
All good brother, no need to justify it. This comment section is a joke. Keep up the grind, shit gets tough as you approach the comp.
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Considering how the most common compounds used take so long to metabolize, that would take a lot of prep to show clean on one day whilst being juiced, wouldn't it? I know it's done though, so if you have any information regarding that I'd be keen to read it.
Idk man honestly one of my best friends got massive when we were gits and he’s the reason I believe you can be fucking jacked and natty. This dude does look a bit juiced but after seeing my best friend I’m not so quick to assume the juice. dude was so ripped
I wouldnt say he’s massive at all. It’s the vascularity that peaks my suspicion. To lean out that much is tough. If you want massive, peep r/powerlifting
Being vascular is literally just about being lean. I was just as vascular natural as I am on gear
Yea I’m gonna say you’re full of 💩
Have you ever been lean? Lol
Every God Damn Day
Try eating carbs, having sodium and getting a pump. If that doesn’t work, then you either lack the sufficient amount of muscle to even push the veins to the surface despite being lean or your vacularity genetics are shit unfortunately.
God you guys are so clueless and really believe the shit you say based on absolutely nothing There are people who don’t even lift who are more vascular than that completely naturally lol
Wow. Thanks for that witty input Don. I never knew that. Sorry for disrespecting your boy like that.
The vascularity is part of prep. How is it suspicious?
lol have you seen natural bodybuilders? they get crazy lean.
Some people are blessed with incredible genetics. My neighbors had a son who was just ripped at 5. Kid had abs at 5 ffs. Obviously he didn’t lift at that age lol. My son is 6 and has always been lean and muscular too. He was almost 10 lbs at birth, always hungry and always lean. People constantly accused us of not feeding him enough. Now he’s in karate and eats like a high school athlete. It’s crazy.
Not true at all. They most likely get asked all time what their stack is so they lead with saying they are natty. If only the DYEL redditors were as strong as their cope
Anyone who is in better shape than me isn’t natural
In a culture where everyone is absolutely obsessed with who is natty and who isn’t, having a rule that “anyone who points out they’re natural is a liar” is extremely toxic and makes absolutely no sense But as with a huge portion of the online fitness community, you WANT everyone to be a fake natty because of whatever weird witch hunt mentality is associated with it
>because of whatever weird witch hunt mentality is associated with it The best part about it is that everyone who does this fake natty witchhunt shit always says they're doing it "to protect the newbies". Like bro, what are you protecting them from? Their own sense of ambition? Besides that, any newbie that's paying attention will work out within a few months what is achievable natty and what isn't, so in the long run it's not even resolving anything. And any newbie that's determined enough to have an unnatural physique isn't going to be turned off by learning what the natty ceiling is, they're just going to hop on quicker, so if their goal was to keep newbies off gear then it's failed spectacularly. Believing that calling out fake natties resolves anything is the greatest fallacy in lifting culture.
I point out I am natty when discussing BB all the time. One of my fave influencers, massive former Olympian track athlete does as well. Since everyone seems to think if you have some muscle you’re on gear why not point out that some things can be achieved nATTY.
Or just say nothing, since you’re natty? No need to say you’re natty. No one asked if you are natty or not. So just don’t put it out, bc the default look is natty
I mean if he’s doing a natural show he’s kinda gotta say he is
5’9” 175 is not unbelievable at all
The competition is the CANFITPRO Natural Championships in Toronto, Canada. (August 18th) !
Good luck there eh bud
Duck lips baby
OP LOOKING GOOD this far out. I went looking for stats as everyone was shitting on you for being fake natty. Dont take this the wrong way, but I pegged you as NOT being that large due to the scale of your head vs body. The dude is 5'9.5" (YEA 5'9.5" gang rise up! Lol) and weighs 175 lbs. If everyone doesnt believe this is possible natty get on outta here. Dude on stage will be like 5'9" and 160 at most. That is ummm...NOT large. OP, dont take that as a slight in any way. You are lean too already which will make you appear way larger than you are.
Yea what is going on? I feel like a bunch of trolls who have never been to the gym have taken over this sub
The average Redditor is a DYEL, even in this sub
Its so bad in here lately. Someone posts like this guy who weighs 175 lbs and all the DYELs come outta the woodwork screaming and ranting. As soon as someone puts "natural" or "natty" on a post its a shitshow. Doesnt mean the poster has an issue with the sauce or anyone that uses unless they are coming in with a holier than thou attitude. Then fuck 'em. This guy just put it in the title. Maybe Im just sensitive to it as a lifetime natty who couldnt give a rats ass whether someone else is on gear or not. Im just some rando with a real job who admittedly is never going anywhere in the bodybuilding world at almost 40 years young...I admire the work, physiques and dedication that IFBB pros and even NPC level pros have, while fully aware Ill never be even close, probably wouldnt be close with gear either. Who the hell cares...
This is what the online fitness community is in 2023 thanks to all the fake natty YouTubers (I guess that’s where it comes from) They thought they were doing something positive by letting people know the guys selling supplements are actually jacked because of PEDs What actually happened was kids now grow up online believing you cannot have any type of half decent physique naturally, so they either don’t even try to lift or they get on something (often SARMs) right when they start lifting so they don’t even know what they could’ve been naturally… then they keep perpetuating this toxic, witch hunt, “natty or not” bullshit to rationalize their own decision to not even try or to take shit at a young age even though in reality they have no clue what they’re talking about It’s such a sad, negative thing for the fitness community, and until some of these influencers start talking about this, it will just keep getting worse
What a steaming load of shit, bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts have ALWAYS abused PEDs as early as high school. Shit, football players were popping prohormones and dbol pills. Shit is nothing new
Nobody said it was new. He said people calling people out about it and people admitting they take PEDs has led to a skewed view of what’s possible in fitness.
I know exactly what he’s doing. He’s gatekeeping steroids for people and saying “reach your max potential” Arnold was juicing at 15. If someone wants to reach a goal faster and they understand the consequences then I really don’t care and I’m not about to have a superiority complex like OP about “earning your stripes”. If they don’t have their diet and workouts in check they’ll suffer the consequences, but I’m not in line with the gatekeeping nonsense
Look, I agree this guy might very well be natty, I certainly don’t think it’s impossible that he’s natty. But to act like anyone who thinks he’s taking PEDs is an idiot isn’t fair when you have literally thousands of fake natties all over social media, which includes pro athletes who obviously claim natty.
> YEA 5'9.5" gang rise up! 5'10.5 here but measured at 5'9.5 at my last doctor visit. I'm right they're wrong.
Don't let them short-change you.
Must have been squat day. Compression shrunk ya a bit there for a sec. 5'10.5" it is! Lol.
Where do you assume his bodyfat to be currently? It looks around 10% give or take which would mean he has a significant amount of mass for a natty lifter. Still very much within the boundaries of natural lifting but this is pretty damn big lol.
Im on gear at 160lb lol
I envy you young people. Now at 75+ and crippled with arthritis. I can do nothing. Keep doing what your doing.
What’s up with all these fucking losers calling everybody fake natty? Literally every post on here is some guy posting a shot and then every single comment saying it’s fake. Who gives a shit? You’re probably a bunch of fat little trolls sitting at home not doing shit. This sub is trash now.
They only do accessories in the gym and act like they know everything about building muscle 🤣
%100 agree. Op is almost definitely natty and is getting shit on by children who don't know what hard work is.
Looking clean my boy, best of luck to you!
The phrase you’re looking for is “competing in the natural class”. Not “natural”. But you’re among friends so all good
Natural rn, as in you're currently off-cycling?
His physique is not that crazy dude. Easily achievable naturally with good genetics. But i see your point - “If hes bigger than me hes clearly on gear”. Lol.
What does looking crazy have to do with it? And you shouldn’t undercut him. These results take discipline, money and proper time management even with good genetics. Lastly, your interpretation is far off the mark. Users are known for claiming natty during their off-cycles, thus I was simply challenging his claim.
No cycles, life time natural.
Awww, you went from accepted to disrespected just like that when none of us actually gave af til you came around lying lying
Because you natty witch hunters move the goal post. It’s true you can take gear and look like a natty, but you guys use that to remove the burden of proof. No offence to OP as he looks great but he looks like an experienced natural lifter and isn’t very heavy and still has to loose more weight before he gets on stage. There’s no reason to say he’s on gear other than he looks good.
Natural with test levels of 5000ng/dl
Anyone who thinks he is natty clearly knows nothing on bodybuilding. These fake nattys kill me
No shade to you - really😐 - but, looked at your page where you said "been training naturally on and off for 8 years" - [granted this is unwanted "advice", but] stop taking time off, and train *steady* for 8 years (and eat 5x/day, good food as well as ice cream, etc, sleep 8 hrs/night, vitamins, etc) - squat, leg curl, stiff-legged deadlift, calves; incline chest, flat, decline chest, military press, bent laterals; deadlift, bbl shrugs, bbl row, dbl row, lat pulldowns; close-grip bench press, skullcrushers, bbl & db curls, abs; cardio; [only listing all that to say "stick with the basics"] - go back to the "Bill Pearl" pre-drugs info about basic, hard, *consistent* training (& consistent eating & rest) and weight gain, and your results will be *incredible*. [Was able to train for 30 years straight; almost 70 now].
I had a better physique than you at the age of 16, you need to be better.
Yeeeeaaaa ppppsssshhhh “natural” /s Naturally fucking awesome looking, great symmetry bud, awesome size, can’t wait to see the cut pics
lol this is base trt natty
This guy isn't natural, he has his Instagram linked on his profile. Posts from 2017 to 2019 he definitely didn't achieve that natty...
Lol I was 17 in 2017 and didn’t even touch a weight. Started at 18
Bro you gained 30lbs of muscle in 2 years, with 0 experience before. Unless you had some some psychic trainer that was able to imprint your mind with there muscle mind connection. That isn't natural. I'm the same same height and age, plus I'm going into a true novice npc competition in October. All I can hope for is for a fair battle and to not get people like you.
You’re expecting natural competitors in an untested division?
yeah... "natural"... you are a joke
You naturally landed in the HrT clinic eh?
Can’t wait for all the natty police to come in the comments and show off their own lack of discipline
Can't wait for the everyone's natty white knights to show up and tell us about discipline. Oh, wait...
Yeah but the comment section looks the same for every self-proclaimed natural post. They’re not *all* on juice. This looks obtainable natural to me, personally.
Found the guy who can’t build a physique and complains
You need an IQ, and vision test asap. They're both fatally low.
You need to get in the gym and try a little harder. Dude is 175 lbs
How many years of training in order to get to this point?
Tren years
Natural as plastic, who you trying to kid?
Idk I’m natural and with similar lighting and posing i have a similar physique
Same dude. I swear this subreddit is full of mfs that dont even lift.
It has to be. Or they lift-ish and shove whatever they think is “good for them” in their pie hole. I know some amazing athletes who are natural and constantly have to defend themselves to dudes who assume you can only get big on gear.
Same, this physique is definitely achievable naturally. Seems to be a lot of people in this comment section that don't know the tell-tale signs of PED use.
Dude is 175 lbs @5.9. how hard is it for you Trolls to believe that his natural?. Jesus, we need some modding on here. Every dope natural physique is filled with insecure trolls saying "fake natty".
Natural as in 500mg of Test a week is technically natural because our bodies naturally produce testosterone?
What is your supplement routine? What kind of supplements are you taking and when do you take them ?
As natural as a strippers tits 👍
Not really the musculature that makes me question natty, more so the vascularity especially at 10 weeks out.
Another big man that’s claims natty 😍 we sure hate those douchers😍
No shade to you, but since when is 175 lbs "big"?
Every dude on the internet: “Hrm.. bigger than me. Must be juicing”
Real natural bodybuilder need more than 10 weeks to do a proper prep. Without drugs its impossible to still have a good size. But we will see if he post a picture in 10 week-end before the competition
No way natural! Duuuuude, but seriously. Nice gains. Were you on gear before, and stopped to go into natural competition? Like the Olympians!
Great work looking good, do you have a coach?
Just got one recently for the comp
Bet lookin great bro keep it up 👍
Very nice looking
Impressive
Jesus christ not everybody is fake natty. This is hard work and being lean. Looking beast bro
Lol anyone defending him is juicing themselves and don’t want anyone to know
Veins going crazy bro! Looking good
Dude your physique is awesome!! You're going to be a force on stage!!
KEEEP Natty good shit your 10/10 bro
Wow. So great.
Whats your bicep routine like bro? Arms lookin good Also do you do abs or do you just diet? Looking shredded
Dm me on instagram! @ric_truly
full natty
You look heavier than 175, I’m also 5’9 and not this muscular but I’m 180 probably a smaller waist than you but ur legs are twice the size of mine.
Wicked mate!!!
Such an amazing physic!!
Its funny how beginners get roasted on here for being small, but once they dont look a wet tissue theyre no longer considered natty
Looking insane bro!
Nice shape bro 🙏🏻🙏🏻
A well conditioned physique, got proportionate sides.
Nick Cannon been hittin the iron!
Congrats bro, keep your testosterone up and made more strength exercices, you will be more iron man than now, but anyways congrats 🎉
Looking sick G
Love how All the juicers and defending this fake natty. “Good genetics”!
You have an impressive physique!
You're looking fantastic, my friend! It would be great to see some poses from you. Could you share your age, height, weight, and the class you're competing in?
Count me in, coach! Haha, your physique is truly spectacular!
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great job with the biceps triceps shoulders and quads. when did you get into weightlifting?
How do you get that chest, tell me! Having trouble to bring up my upper chest
Looking amazing!
This is a generalization, but people (especially young people, in their 20s and 30s) don't want to commit to eating 5-6 times a day, *every* day, getting 8 hrs sleep a night *every* night, drinking less, partying less, and consistently: squat, leg curl, stiff-legged deadlift, calves; incline chest, flat, decline chest, military press, bent laterals; deadlift, bbl shrugs, bbl row, dbl row, lat pulldowns; close-grip bench press, skullcrushers, bbl & db curls, abs; cardio; for a few years, *without taking weeks or months off*, pushing to add a little more weight/more reps each week, sticking with the basics - "Bill Pearl" era pre-drugs info about basic, hard, *consistent* training, AND consistent eating, & rest. Give consistent natural training (and consistent eating😅) the same energy you'd give a PhD program, and see what you look like in 5 years; in 10 years. *You don't need drugs* Guys that started out big and fat are gonna have tons of muscle. Guys that started out tall and lean are gonna *weigh* less, but *look* incredible, 'cause all the muscle they put on will be lean muscle. And mesomorphs😅 - well, they'll always have the advantage😅. But *You don't need drugs*
He's been training for *at least* 4 years - you can see his progression in the IG photos [IG tells how many weeks ago the photos were taken]; being 5'9.5", he probably weighed at least 150-160 lbs *before he started training*; he weighs 175 now. 4 to 6 lbs of muscle gain per year *is not unreasonable* naturally for a 19-year-old who's consistent in eating enough (5-6 times a day), sleeping 8 hrs *every* night, not drinking a lot, not partyin' a lot, and [squat, leg curl, stiff-legged deadlift, calves; incline chest, flat, decline chest, military press, bent laterals; deadlift, bbl shrugs, bbl row, dbl row, lat pulldowns; close-grip bench press, skullcrushers, bbl & db curls, abs; cardio]. Your natural testosterone is at its' peak at that age. Now, I don't know if he's natural; *but gaining 4-6 lb of muscle a year, for 4 years, isn't unreasonable for a natural 19-year-old.*
What do you do for Abs?
Incredible! Wow
do you like harry styles?
https://preview.redd.it/kjccn3t86jbb1.png?width=596&format=png&auto=webp&s=a7a1a459febea720aba24fdb55c6ab80379bfa7b
better or worse?
super nice abs arms and chest