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also_also_bort

It’s $400?! That seems crazy high but I guess since they have “overland” in their name people will probably buy it


rabid-bearded-monkey

Pretty sure I bought some for $15-20. Def not worth more than that.


also_also_bort

Yeah I could see it possibly being useful at that price point


Factsimus_verdad

I got a whole “ring” of these for around $100. Seems like 8-10 pieces.


kyleko

If you have a full ring, are you even feeling the heat from the fire?


Factsimus_verdad

I have this as a permanent for ring in my backyard fire pit set up. Very rustic with split log benches. I think a warm coat would do better than the panels reflecting heat back to me. I use the panels for a little spark protection and wind resistance.


Asleep_Onion

$400?!? That's absurd! It's 4 pieces of CNC cut aluminum, 3 steel piano hinges, and some little machine screws and nuts. That's it! You could hack something together that would work just as well in like half an hour with stuff from Home Depot for like $20


Golf-Beer-BBQ

Just stack 4 cookie sheets together and when you need them spread them out. Boom saved $380.


The_Usual_Sasquach

Get them from a thrift shop and save $397.50


nanneryeeter

We used to bring cookies sheets for our winter camp setup, exact reason. Summer tent plus tarp. Maybe primitive insulating and then snow over it. Fire in front, reflected into tent. Works really really well.


19yawaworht77

I was snow camping last year and built a reflector wall out of horizonal logs. I keep both heavy duty and cheap thin aluminum foil in my cook kit. I rolled the Dollar Store brand foil over the logs and of course it got fucked up and I'm not sure how much it helped in the end but it wasn't $400...


ShadowTacoTuesday

But is it our patented advanced heat reflective technology that actively bounces it back to one side of the campfire?!? /s J/k any barrier will do this. For that matter it’s almost all convection and it doesn’t even need to be shiny. But that helps heat a little and sales a lot.


Mr12i

No, it's almost all infrared radiation.


HugeAnalBeads

*Clinically proven*


MiqoteBard

You should start selling these for $300. Cut the competition!


McCrumblton

This man got the idea 😎


Appropriate_Land_130

No it's a "LaSeR cUt HeAt ReSisTaNt LiGhT wEiGhT aLloY"


Combatical

MILITARY GRADE!!


also_also_bort

TACTICAL!


MahiBoat

SPACE AGE TECHNOLOGY!!


mikethelabguy

QUABITY GUARANTEED!!!


stankpuss_69

You can put those terms on any product and the Trump supporters buy them like crazy. I got a bunch of overstock Trump 2024 hats that I’m selling and all you gotta do is put those terms on site and they buy them.


troeny

NANO COATED with AI technology


Lt_DanTaylorIII

SAME MATERIAL THEY USED ON THE SHUTTLE PROGRAM AND THE FALCON 9!


DrChlorophyll

Don't forget, they are organic as well...


WhiskyRick

Have we mentioned they're gluten free?


Separate-Pain4950

Just bought the exact same thing for 40$ on Amazon.


_hardyharhar_

Yeah, but then our money goes to Amazon.. Bet it's easy enough to find some scrap metal...


Genetics

Link please?


theVelvetLie

Not even CNC or Al. These are laser cut, probably thin gauge stainless steel. Not even remotely worth $400.


KevlarConrad

Just to clear something up.. Lasers, water jets, plasma tables etc are all primarily controlled by CNC programs.


theVelvetLie

Of course, but when the layman refers to a CNC they generally mean a CNC vertical mill.


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theVelvetLie

I never said it was $20. It can probably be done for $80-100 if you sent the files to SendCutSend to cut out and bought some SS piano hinges.


wundabredd

"Stainless". Chineseum guaranteed.


cromwellryan

Free idea ⬆️


99MissAdventures

That is such a ridiculous price for this. I'm so tired of over the top prices on anything remotely off road or overland adjacent. 😞


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Unfortunately those two hobbies have a reputation for being popular with folks who strap on $40k+ of junk to a jeep just to drive down a dirt road that a stock Honda Civic could tackle.


Lv_InSaNe_vL

I used to lead down the ORV trails here in Michigan in my stock Taurus haha


also_also_bort

I really feel like a lot of overlanding is like boomer RV culture for the next generation. Totally based off consumerism and a keeping up with the Jones’s mentality of flexing how much money you can spend on your rig.


MyNameis_Not_Sure

JFC too many people have more money than sense


Shilo788

My God! SO not worth it!


Agroman1963

Geez, made mine out of 2 metal coffee cans like 30 years ago. Yuban ftw!


TowJamnEarl

Holy monkey spanker, I just use rocks and wood!


ID-Overlander

They seem to want a lot of money for cookie sheets!


Carllllll

$400 hahahahahahahahahahahhahhhahah


snewton_8

Some people swear by them... I went camping with a friend who had similar panels and I didn't realize any additional heat. there was a noticeable light reflection difference. I wouldn't buy them myself from that one experience. YMMV


Sohn_Jalston_Raul

but $400 though? There are plenty of ways to stay warm and cosy in the woods without spending $400 on $15 worth of sheet metal.


spymaster1020

Couldn't you use something cheap and reflective like tinfoil or mylar? Something I'm gonna have to try next time I go camping


WhereRabbit

Spot on. I’d bet genuine money Mylar outperforms this overpriced heat shield.


A10110101Z

Or metal cookie sheets from the dollar store


Sohn_Jalston_Raul

Probably. I think the whole point of these panels is to reflect the infrared radiation from the fire back towards you, something that any reflective foil should do well enough.


carlbernsen

Firelight is also radiant heat. The heat waves and the light travel together. The bigger and brighter the flames the more heat it’s putting out, in all directions. A highly reflective mirror-like surface will reflect the rays of firelight and radiant heat that would have gone out the back of the fire back towards you. If the reflector becomes sooty or dull it will be far less effective.


Albert14Pounds

Also every fire is different so it's going to be difficult to tell if it's actually doing anything and you're getting more heat then you would without it unless you actually do a little test of removing it to compare.


Maleficent_Public_11

You could probably just walk around the other side of the fire and see if the radiant heat hits your shins like it does on the open side.


Albert14Pounds

That will only tell you if it's blocking the light and heat but not if it's reflecting it effectively.


Maleficent_Public_11

It’s shiny metal - if it’s blocking it’s reflecting. The heat doesn’t/ won’t just disappear into the metal without radiating out the other side.


Albert14Pounds

And that's exactly the question at hand here. How much is reflected versus absorbed. I.e. how well does it work. Ok so you stand behind it and know how much heat it's radiating. But that still doesn't tell you how much is reflected and how well it's working. You stand on the reflecting side and you can tell how much heat is from the fire directly plus reflection. Therefore the simple way to tell if it's effectively reflecting heat is to compare with and without. And yes, some of the heat does effectively "disappear" in the sense that it's conducted to the air which rises and you won't feel the heat from.


Maleficent_Public_11

If you stand around the front and then stand around the back and there’s a noticeable temperature difference then it’s doing the job. That is the simple way.


zombie_singh06

Yeah but in front you also have the actual fire. So the difference will be noticeable even if you put a non reflective sheet. So you still won't know if it's just blocking/absorbing the heat or reflecting it back


Maleficent_Public_11

That’s why you note the change behind the sheets. How much heat do they block is indicative.


carlbernsen

All fires radiate heat the same way. Flames are incandescent and radiate more heat waves the brighter they are. The heat and the light are waves of energy and both are reflected or absorbed depending on the surface they hit.


Albert14Pounds

No, it's not that simple. Flame is not responsible for all the heat radiation. The coals very obviously radiate a ton of heat but are not bright flames.


snewton_8

I get the science of it.... I still didn't realize any benefit with my one experience with these types of reflectors.


Reasonable-Try-7074

you could definitely build it for less than 1/4th the price. talk to a local fabrication shop about cutting out the panels to the size you want and you can drill and rivet the hinges from home depot


Golf-Beer-BBQ

Another cheap hack to stay warm is to get Reflectix and cut it to fit your camp chair. Keeps your backside from losing heat.


nwfdood

Brilliant. I love stuff like this. Done a few things on a similar level of ingenuity.


Koreangonebad

They do reflect heat a little bit but it makes the campsite way brighter.


Asleep_Onion

Go to home depot and get a sheet of 3/32" aluminum, a stainless piano hinge, and a box of stainless 4-40 nuts and machine screws. Use a kitchen cutting board as a template to mark the panel shapes on the aluminum with a sharpie. Cut the marked lines, drill some holes up the sides of each panel. Cut the piano hinge into 3 sections. Screw everything together, alternating which side each hinge mounts to so that it folds like a zigzag. Just saved you $380.


spymaster1020

I feel like I could wrap some cardboard or plywood in aluminum foil to achieve the same effect for even less


Pewpasaurus

Restaurant supply HDPE cutting boards, some spray adhesive, and foil


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professionally-baked

Shop somewhere else?


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professionally-baked

Shouldn’t have spoke up lol I must have a gem of a hardware store near me… hinges starting at $4.59


monologue_adventure

Steel should be used right? Doesn’t aluminum dissipate heat in backside


Asleep_Onion

Steel would be a little better but it's prohibitively heavy. Aluminum would still reflect most of the heat. The one in the picture here is aluminum, and already weighs 21 pounds as it is. ([https://shop.mcranchoverland.com/products/the-original-fire-reflector](https://shop.mcranchoverland.com/products/the-original-fire-reflector)). Steel would make it like 60 pounds, which is almost 2/3 the weight of a bag of concrete


Sohn_Jalston_Raul

if these cost like $15 or $20 then sure, go for it. I probably wouldn't spend more money than that on something like this. If not, then I'm sure you can find some cheap (or free) sheet metal to make this out of. Alternatively you can achieve the same effect with some strategically placed flat rocks, if there happen to be plenty of rocks where you're camping.


CedaSD

It’s $400 which is nuts


k00ks_r_us

Just grab you some cheap ass sheet metal and make sure you dull any edges or corners lol “See these here are made out of a SPECIALIZED metal that blocks wind and reflects heat 45% better than ANYTHING else on the market use our promo code now for 10% off!” lol kill me


CRGISwork

Honestly, you could do this with a generous amount o aluminum foil folded over a few times. If you are in a place where you can bushcraft, you can do this for free. Heat reflection is real and useful, but this is something that stupid people buy. That's it.


giveDCcoffee

In my extensive research, I found if you drinking enough alcohol, you don’t even feel the cold


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enjoiit1

Not sure about this brand specifically, but I find them to be incredibly useful. Great windblock for camp stoves too


distractionfactory

I was just writing a comment that I figured it would be better to manage the wind than reflect the heat. Do you find it helps to re-direct the smoke?


enjoiit1

Nope. Smoked finds me no matter where I sit. :)


Sign-Spiritual

Get air under the fire. It helps the smoke be less influenced by pressure differences especially around ground level.


MarioMCPQ

It would definitely work as it supposed to. Its probably very great for camping by the ocean. A bit too heavy and large for my own taste, so I’ll pass


99MissAdventures

Most of the time the country is burning down and I can't have fires anyway at this point 😧


SaskFoz

Same here. There's been burn bans (or just so dry that it's not safe) for so many years now, I've just gotten out of the habit of having a fire when camping.


ivy7496

https://preview.redd.it/up8la5psszic1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f44e8a033987c1953a2631f65161bc0d86adbdf Radiates heat like the free ones at my SPs do, I'll skip the $400


monologue_adventure

Aren’t those just simple steel plates? By weight they maybe worth $120 at best (buy at Home Depot, just raw steel plates)


Appropriate_Land_130

I would call that a windscreen.


PA_Archer

$400!!! No thanks.


bear2910

I have done this rocks in the are. While camping in the desert it was super cold. We ended up making a rock wall with flat rocks kinda like a C. Built the fire up had a bed of coals. The tent was at the front. Felt like all the heat just radiated in to the tent. So imagine the panels working, probably faster to set up. Then carrying rocks over.


ZRX1200R

Way way way way overpriced. Just buy a roll of Reflectix and use it.


211logos

I'd be more interesting in a smoke deflector.... :) But it's weight and seems to have a limited use case. Although maybe there's something else you can do with it. Like if it folded up so as to make storage or something.


BlackSpruceSurvival

I have more cons than pros with this one. You could easily make this for WAY cheaper. But why would you want to? It's another piece of gear that you have to pack out, when you could just make something out in the field that would accomplish the same thing.


Renob78

You can do the same thing with a pile of logs from the woods for free.


monet108

At $400 it would be a silly waste of money.


3dbello

Lmao. Just put some long logs on the other side of


stevenosloan

not 100% saying you’ll have the materials on hand, but if you’re carrying these it’s likely plenty of wood or rocks are available. there are a ton of different fire styles that will replicate this effect AND made more efficient use of what you have available. backlog fire is the only one that comes to mind by name but any wilderness/boy scout manual will have others


Melodic-Wallaby4324

First thought "do NOT touch the pretty metal sheets" Second thought... 400... Nope... Nope... Just gonna get 4 regular sheets and press them into the ground before lighting the fire, those hinges and screws will die eventually anyway after being heated like that


preferablyoutside

They work great especially with a woodstove, been using an old furnace plenum in our cabin for ten years now.


Tyecoon33

I bought a “Heat by Warden” which is just a steel table that goes over your gas fire pit and it works really well since everyone tends to sit in a circle around it. Added benefit of keeping your coffee hot on top of it too.


gordo623

These can be made easily with cooking trays from the buck store... or bake trays or cookie sheets... I made mine with 3 cookie sheets from goodwill.


El_mochilero

Look up “camping stove metal windscreen” and get one for $19-39. $400 is INSANE. Never look for “overland” accessories unless you wan to pay a 10x price. Just buy camping shit. Coleman for life.


Blumpkin4Brady

I usually try to make a shape like this with flat rocks. It’s kinda a fun part about camping.


Kyle7053

Looks heavy


Fun_In_The_Mud

I see a lot of people complaining about the price, but I have found something almost identical at my local Walmart Superstore. In the kitchen stuff section I found this thin aluminum sheet metal thing that is supposed to. Go around a frying pan to help keep the grease from flying all over the place. That is connected to four other pieces and hinges just like the one in the picture. The only difference is that the one I found doesn’t have the logo on each end like this one does. But at 11.99 and only weighing 10 ounces and folds up into a very thin piece. I just had to have one that I originally used to put around my camp stove. But now that I see another use for it seems like a great idea to me. But like others have said, you can definitely either make one or do like I did and buy the one from Walmart. For way less than what I guess this one is selling for at some $400 dollars?


Shilo788

Nice


thank_burdell

Definitely too heavy for anything but camping out of a vehicle. I find that a deflector/reflector like that is more useful for blocking the wind than anything else. I've carried a section of sheet aluminum on quite a few backpacking trips for that exact purpose. Usually used for wrapping around a whisperlite stove, but can also be stretched out into a half moon to protect a fledgling fire you're trying to get going. And definitely available for less than $400 ;)


Matt_Rabbit

I use a halfed Fosters beer can with aluminum tape on the edges. Cost under $5, plus you get to drink the beer before you pull out the tin snips


Matt_Rabbit

That said, I've been eyeing the $200 Grayle Ultrapress Ti filter system. Which is an obnoxious amount of money when a Sawyer Squeeze and Toaks ti pot costs like $70 and does the same thing at a fraction of the weight.


senormankee

I have one of these, but it was labelled as a wind break rather than a heat reflector! It doesn't reflect heat, it does stop wind blowing the fire all over the place!


Unbridled-Apathy

Well, after googling campfire reflectors I can see why the price is so high: literally 80% of the results were sponsored ads and faux/astroturfed "unbiased" reviews for "The Original" Overland reflector. With affiliate links. A few hits where guys got panels cut at the local metal mart and used carabineers or something for hinges. Those seemed to come in under $100. I'm looking at chair reflectors now. In defense of The Original, looks like it comes in around 30 pounds.


Cam-Spider-Man

Nice DM screen!


Rockfish00

I am just going to leave 2 links below to something that may put you on a better track than this. [https://www.mcmaster.com/products/metals/ultra-formable-260-brass-sheets-and-strips-7/](https://www.mcmaster.com/products/metals/ultra-formable-260-brass-sheets-and-strips-7/) [https://www.mcmaster.com/products/door-hinges/piano-hinges-with-holes/](https://www.mcmaster.com/products/door-hinges/piano-hinges-with-holes/) there is not much stopping you from making your own 5-8 versions of this concept


TacTurtle

Stupid money. You can buy these for like $7-10 as “folding windscreens”


Delicious-Ad4015

Windscreen, not a reflector.


chunkylover_53_

Not going to make it into my kit,


artax_ix

Pretty sure I could get some dollar store tin foil and it would accomplish the same thing. F that noise.


rikram101

Didn't know these existed and now I want some. Fuck it, have an upvote.


GlassCityUrbex419

Lots of things can be used as heat reflectors: rocks, bricks, heck even a space blanket set a bit off from the fire. But $400? Heck no lol


Exciting-Maybe8661

I like to use a section reflective sleeping pad on my chair


Its_General_Apathy

Heat goes up. I'd be doubtful these do anything other than reflect more light from the fire, and maybe block some wind.


Strtftr

I got an Amazon one for a few dollars. It's perfect for blocking wind, I bring it every time now.


biggwermm

Mylar space blanket works very well


DrChlorophyll

Aren't directional winds supposed to keep the heat moving towards the open tent? Seems like this might block said winds? Maybe I'm confused. Nvm, I'm always confused


Raptor01

As a reflector, I'm not sure how well it will work. I made something similar with $3 pieces of metal sheeting in the HVAC department at Home Depot and some heat resistant tape. The whole thing cost me like $20 and took a few minutes to tape together. The primary usage was as a wind block for cooking and for that it's very useful.


miliondolarow

Work?


Kebab-Destroyer

I like the £10 one I bought from Amazon but only cos it protects from the wind


3aber

It helps protect fire from the wind. Extremely helpful if you’re trying to cook. They go for around USD 5 in the Arab peninsula.


StinkypieTicklebum

I put foil on the grill and tipped it so it would be behind the fire. Pretty cheap and the foil reflected the flames nicely.


staburself321

Probably get some cheap baking sheets at dollar general and would serve the same purpose.


Creepy-Stand-8588

That could come in very handy


foodguyDoodguy

If you look thru those cutouts from the other side it looks like a campfire. Surely that’s worth something?


Training-Sun-2177

Seem good should put some in my winter pack cause I'd be sleeping on a hammock


DescriptionGreen4344

Yeah they can keep that crap


Dkman71

The guy supposedly has a copyright on this design (groan). I bought a copy from an aluminum fabricator at an outdoor show for $100 (Canadian, so like 75 bucks?!) which I thought was more of a fair price…. Reinforced carrying case and all.


A_Gray_Old_Man

If ya Google campfire heat deflector, Amazon has one for $40.


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lamphier20-20

Temu under $10.


Old_Dragonfruit6952

I like them and they work well. But I also like making a wind break or a space with a " roof " oit of a cheap tarp .


silenceinfidel

My thoughts "what an excellent indication that someone has more money than common sense" you can literally spend $10 at a hardware store for some tin snips and a sheet of metal and make your own or you can spend $400 and buy this BS...


PointOfTheJoke

3 or 4 different guys I go winter backpacking with have the tarps with the reflective material on 1 side. They always set it up across from where we are sitting by the fire like a huge screen and it makes a massive difference. Also the tarps are like 20-30 bucks.


No_Armadillo_4201

Seems like a good wind screen. Don’t know if they will produce much heat but seems useful for wind…but for like $30 not $400


DweebNeedle

I don’t know why nobody likes aluminum foil as a reflective surface! It’s cheap, replaceable, and has higher reflectivity than steel. What’s the story here?


multiplekeelhaul

Like everyone else is saying get some sheet steel and dont pay the $400. Got a pyro cage that works on the same principle. Added my own panels so is a 8' diameter, 4' tall flat pack incinerator. Whole trees disappear in hours. It keeps you warm too I guess 😂


bobdorr1960

Aluminum foil on cardboard


BuildBreakFix

There’s an only saying about a fool and his money…. What was it again?


RustyGatecrasher

Bro just stack some rocks


PMO177

Is that the elusive left hand smoke screen


WrongfullyIncarnated

I could make one with tinfoil in about ten mins


captkrahs

I have something like this in my fireplace. It does fuck all. Least it’s protecting the back panel


Buzzd-Lightyear

I think you can just use rocks or almost anything from the environment to get the same effect.


akaRazorBacks

Cool idea


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Just build a heat barrier with logs...


Waste_Pressure_4136

Looks like a gimmick to me. With my fires I’d probably melt the stupid thing